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Why can't chemists make a consensus about water's pka???

fusso - 1-11-2018 at 12:05

Water is the commonest liquid on earth. So its properties should be well studied and confirmed. But not its pKa. H2O<=>OH- has only 1 pKa. But 2 approaches, 2 values. One is 14 and the other is 15.7. Why can't chemists make a consensus on either one???

Fulmen - 1-11-2018 at 12:33

https://chem.libretexts.org/Textbook_Maps/Organic_Chemistry/Supplemental_Modules_(Organic_Chemistry)/Fundamentals/What_is_the_pKa_of_water%3F

Heptylene - 1-11-2018 at 13:12

Its not a matter of consensus, but rather a matter of defintions. Have a look at this paper (Open access!).

Btw just because there is a confusion for some people (including you and me apparently) doesn't mean there isn't a consensus or that its unclear for everyone.

EDIT: typo

[Edited on 1-11-2018 by Heptylene]

unionised - 1-11-2018 at 13:19

It's like asking why water has two freezing points, 0C and 32F.

AJKOER - 18-11-2018 at 16:40

Okay perhaps it's time for a moment of honesty. In the current particular context there's reference to an article with the title “Confusing Quantitative Descriptions of BrønstedLowryAcidBase Equilibria in Chemistry Textbooks – A Critical Review and Clarifications for Chemical Educators”.

But, in my opinion, there is actually no real (like in reality) confusion, but a seemingly generated confusion due to the general and unfortunate (with respect to accuracy or truth being a victim) aspects of the science of teaching to makes things simple as a teaching preference (even if elimination of select minor components could imply misleading global properties of the whole). In the particular context at hand, the article cites the failure to introduce fundamental theoretical backgrounds relating to the science of activity coefficients and thermodynamic standard states early on. Without this, Pka calculation may apparently run a foul when actually trying to make things in the real world as is frequently the case with organic chemist.

So, in my opinion, it is not so much an issue with physical science, as perhaps an issue with the art and science of teaching (pedagogy) relating to real science.

[Edited on 19-11-2018 by AJKOER]