Girls!

Haha, I thought that would get your attention

Was wondering whether there are any female members on this forum. Not for dating purposes (there surely are better places for this), but out of curiosity to see whether there are chemically inclined females here.
I would be surprised if there were!!

Otherwise why do you think this is such a male-dominated hobby? Because it's not girly, or what?

There are plenty of gals that are interested in chemistry (yes, the scientific type of chemistry ), but I don't think any of them would ever consiider doing experiments at home....Kinda sad really isn't it

On this one there isn't even any social pressure, as you could happily keep your chemical endeavours hidden from your fellow female friends....

What do the boys and girls reckon?

same old story...!

GAKK!!!

Nooo!

thread was relating to how a person might fund a chemistry habit...Hermes mentioned job at "Janatorial SUPPLY WAREHOUSE" for "funding" maybe job in STOCKROOM!

maybe get DEEP discount, yes(yoda voice)

maybe accidentally put boxes in garbage bin not quite empty yes?
maybe midnight dumpster diving yes???
wink wink, nudge nudge,yes yes

girls love chemistry!!!!!!! (well i do anyway)

I hate how girls are always not trying out "guy" subjects like IT because they've been brainwashed by society's traditions of what girls should like. They pretty much tell themselves not to get interested in certain topics cause "theyre not supposed to like things of that sort".

Last time was telling a friend about me trying to get a CCNA cert and I asked if she wanted to join me. She just gave me a funny look as if I was retarded or soemthing. Then she said "I dont want to be interested in guy subjects." Like wtf, shes making herself fit a sterotype and contributing to the disrespect for more daring females...

Who Cares?

I mean really, If there were too many women in lab, I just don't think I could contain myself

seriously though, I think the numbers are a little skewed on this site, the number of women in my organic chem lab course far outweigh the number of men.

its physics that really has a paucity of women, but unless a guy is cruising the glassware section looking for a little action, who cares what variety your colleagues come in....?

Some sciences (like the health sciences) are becoming dominated by women (like M.D.'s), not like it matters anyway!

WHO CARES!

EDUCATION AND GLAMOUR, THE TWIN CORNERSTONES OF SOCIETY.

Does anyone remember the chippies in the clearasil ads they used to show on t.v.?
I never knew, that there really were people like that.

HEY PHEOBE!

randomly I've been chosen in a general chem lab class in which there are only 2 males (includes me) but anyways in my university number of fem chem students are @least three times higher than that of males. (hmmmmmmm....... time to show off)

I thought this site was a discussion board and NOT a slagging off match!!!!!

Whoaaa

Let's keep this civil people, shall we?
Going from clearasil ads to abuse by mothers is a big leap, is it not?

silly CHiPy! trix are for kids!

Oh yeah! I remember posting those!

They still make me grin!

No I don't like little girls, they irritate the crap out of me.

I do enjoy the company of adult women though. Truth be told. I should get used to ditzy little girls whos two biggest priorities are hair and makeup, my daughter's reasonably centered now but you never know what effect school will have.

Also COUNCILING..is a group of people gathered together for the purpose of governing.

Maybe you meant COUNSELING... good advice from a trusted friend or competent advisor..

I guess you've never seen California Highway Patrol or those Clearasil pimple ads with the frivolous little girls whose lives are "just like....totally over....like TOTALLY" because of a pimple HUH?

Don't get those telly programs and adverts across the pond?

P.S.

Sincerely hope you don't get twisted out of shape over any humor on my part there fitlaurz.

All in good sport now... wot wot!

I think Hermes clearasil reply was funny.

Hey, learn to laugh about yourself!
Tip: A look in the mirror helps!


btw. - I am a neutrum.

Saerynide, am I correct in that you are a female yourself? In that case, great stuff, you are actually doing experiments! Me is impressed - there are so few of you!
Keep up the good work

Thanks Chemleo

Maybe substances with pretty colors could actually make pants look cooler Come to think of it, I might just try something like that one day

Out of university, I can say that girls are in equal amounts vs boys in chemistry, doctor/surgery, biology, geology, pharmacy,...,
More girls in litterature, nurse, psychosociology, social assistance.
Less girls in physic, math and engineering and commercial engineering.

But it is on the change like for medical field...until 15 years ago it was mostly male field...now it is like 60/40 female/male.

About chemistry at home...yes, social pressure is already there when you are a boy (out of 200 chemists I was the only one to have a lab at home); for a girl it is even worst.

Girls are fascinated by chemistry...and chemistry can be beautiful, estethic, entertaining...but fire, explosion, and runaway feels more exciting for boys...out of 20 girls I asked to, none realy apreciate fire...I can last hours t watch a woden fire burn in the cheminey (it is beautifull, changing and...romantic.)


It seems that girls think more to the risks than boys do...and it is of course due to the societal endoctrinement, social pressure, group normalisation....the insidious conditionning we got every day from our birth to our emancipation...but when you see what a sect can do to adults in six monthes...imagine what can be done in 30 years on the fragile and manipulable, soft resisting child we were...

"boys don't cry"
"Hooo watch Tomy has build a nice truck like his father drives..."
"Girls shouldn't behave like this"
"Girls take care of themselves"
"Go on Charlie seduce a lot of girls"
"Don't watch at boys"
...
Everyday, every hour, each seconds ...there are zillion of practical examples, tiny implicite or big explicite things tha proves...world is sexist, archaic, biaised, machist....

Hard to make this change...only time will do ....

Anyway, girls, continue to show to the face of the world you aren't affraid of change, fire and that all this is a myth nourished by other myths.

"DestroyThe
BiG
MYTH!!!"

Destroy The BiG MYTH

For unknown reason it was screwed up in previous post

Even the text program is sexist

Destroy the BigMac ?

Ah! French! Fight cultural imperialism I understand, welldone!

Mr. Freud had a good laugh btw..........

I'm a girl too. The only problem is that my mother doesn't accept that I'm interested in chem and physics (more in chem.. MUCH MORE in chem). She'd like me to play the piano and study literature and arts and classic music. Damn...so this may be what happens to many girls: the influnece of their mothers (maybe torture too...who knows...). I didn't let myself be influenced by my mom

Omigod, my mom used to make me play piano too. I have lonnnnngggg quit though. *shudder* I have no musical talent What is it with moms and having their daughters learn music?

I didn't even TRY to learn...I'd learn to play the giutar tough...rocker thing (when I'll have some time for it). I don't know why...maybe just to amuse the guests when they invite people

Sociology

Social change

I hope so. In my opinion the "I have to be like everyone else" thing in most girls is very sad, most interesting personalities certainly result where it does not.

I love it when my daughter comes to me and asks if we can do a 'science experiment'. At which point I wrack my brains for something easy, immediate, and impressive (making pH indicators out of flowers went down extremely well).

At her 7th birthday I got to be 'Professor Snape' and amuse all the party goers with a hands on 'potions' class.

Professionally I'm an electronic engineer, and it saddens me that so few women take up a career in engineering.

No it doesn't.
As it's random, one could say, oh, let's always take the first one. Therefore the average is (2x + 1x)/2 = 1.5 x, as the choice on 1x or 2x is random.
This is your average earning. Regardless which boxes you pick (i.e. random, or selectively the first or second).
Nice one
anyway...there are some related threads in Whimsy, so your little confusing problems may be better suited there.
I can see why your sister doesnt like averages, if you treat the poor lass with that!

Can you pick up hte other one? If you can, feel which one is heavier, and take it

I wasn't assuming that the initial box-opening is random, but that it was rigged to always be empty by re-distribution of the box contents rather than selection of an existing empty box. I didn't pay enough attention to the physical reality of the situation; in an electronic gambling game (for example), it would be common to implement this so that you just show an empty box and then let each remaing box have a 1/3 probability of containing the prize. Of course in electronic gambling games it's also standard fare to rig things so that there is no real probability involved, just a guaranteed prize after X thousand plays, so I really should keep physical and electronic worlds better separated in my thinking

[Edited on 12-2-2004 by Polverone]

You're right. I was just gazing out the window moments after the last post and I see where the bias comes from.

Point conceded.

Good argument though .

Girls

Comrade Sergei has always been under the impression that most chemgirls are - to be as honest as possible - plain ugly. This was not just an impression, it was a fact. But not long ago, he found this most delicate and interesting chemgirl. Damn, she looks soooooo innocent... Every time he sees her, she begs him to corrupt her. Ooooh yes she does! He was thinking about inviting her to the lab to sniff his newest chemicals together. However, he doesn't know yet how much of a geek she is...

LMAO . Im not so suprised to notice that there are only 3 female chemstudents on my year, all that would of course agree with "sergei's hypothesis". Infact, i've also noticed in general (but not always) that girls with less of a mathemetic/science orientation, tend to be the more attractive, they all seem better at english/the arts.

Hmmm, maybe this was just because I was at a small liberal arts school where women were already considerably more numerous than men, but there were a fair number of good-looking female chemistry majors at my undergraduate school. The science that really seemed to attract them in droves was biology, though. I was a computer science (one of those pretend sciences that needs to attach "science" to its name, like social science ) major, and female majors were a small minority. On the anti-stereotype side, one was quite hot and none of them was unattractive. On the stereotype-fulfillment side, one of them dropped out and tried to sue the school after she failed to pass a hard class in her junior year, and the hottie really didn't know what she was doing and graduated I-don't-know-how.

Also on the stereotype-violating side, two out of four professors in the department were female, and were both pretty good looking as well. One was tall and blonde with a twin sister who works at Cray (she had some amusing tales of visiting tech conferences with her sister and being drooled all over), and one was the daughter of a wealthy Saudi expat who grew up in England. This woman had done some groundbreaking work in natural language parsing for Arabic. Both of them were very bright and competent.

Yeah, i also noticed that when it comes to science, most of the girls go for biology, infact, there are hardly any guys in biology (not even me). As for computer "science" there is one girl who looks alright (also the ONLY girl there) but she is accurately marked as a slut, and i would never go near her.

My girlfriend (goes to a different school) follows the stereotypes , she is good at home economics (has nothing to do with economics , more like cooking and sewing) and the arts/music. And of course she is fairly attractive , if only she was into science too.

[Edited on 19-12-2004 by cyclonite4]

MSDS for Women

I know of a few girls into chem, one wants to do experiments at home but is not being allowed by her parents and the other is into inorganic chem, 'nothing bio related' in her words. Her parents are both chemists as well.
The latter is really attractive, and guess who is going out with her.
The honours chem group at my Uni is 90% guys, 10% girls, grad students 80% guys, 20% girls, and general chem is about 65/35.
Numbers are aproximate based on what I have seen at department social functions, and for grad students they have pictures of them all on the internet.
I do know a lot of girls in bio related stuff though, I wonder exactly why girls are less dispositioned toward chem?

[Edited on 22-1-2006 by rogue chemist]

That MSDS was great. I haven't laughed like that in too long.

I thought I had tracked down a local source of pure NaNO2 at a meat market where the owner was making his own sausage. When he brought out a pink powder I knew he didn't have what I wanted.

But he was trying to help me and we began talking. I said I needed it for a calibration as I was a chemist. He then began telling me about his 11 year-old daughter. He said she was nuts about chemistry, was reading high school chemistry texts, and wanted him to start buying her chemicals. I told him that his daughter was a rare person and that 11 years old was about the age I also began begging for a chemistry set.

tsk tsk Magpie, you did not link her to this site.

But wow, 11 year old girl really into chem, that is rare, she is precious. I wonder how she got interested?

Where I study (Leiden, Netherlands) There are plenty of girls in chemistry-related topics but only three out of 30 in actual chemistry. Any theories as to why it goes like that? Do girls make their pick earlier in life? Or is chemistry just to theoretical to be of interest?

Btw, I agree with Vulture that once they dó get started on chemistry they do really good generally, I suppose because they are more determined to do good. It's kind of cute to see a girl come hopping out of the exam room because she just passed an easy test They just cheer things up.

My GF was top of her year during her Chem degree - got about 90% and a 1st. Is now doing a PhD in Chem.

Few or none I would say. My girlfriend has studied chem, she got very good grades (as good as I did, but hey we both got an 'A' and there isn't any further grade in which I could have done better, although at school during tests I did get great results, top of the class ). I said did because now my girlfriend and I are in Med school, which also indicates good grades where I live, where only the 'best' are allowed to join ('best' is variable, people who do well in exams might be as stupid as a cucumber).

She does enjoy joining me when I'm doing some chemistry, which pleases me a lot. I usually do much of the work alone though, being the solitary type of guy. I've known only a couple of girls who actually went as far as titrating solutions and did some general salt analysis at home. My girlfriend is one of them - I sort of pushed her in, giving her small chemical samples and helping her where she didn't comprehend. I'm lucky.

My wife says she has no idea of what I am doing in my lab or what I am talking about.

But we must not forget Madame Curie who was an outstanding chemist and a dedicated researcher. I saw a old movie on her a while ago. She and her husband laboriously took huge vats of solution down to one evaporating dish to isolate radium.

For me it is the same. My wife accepts things as long as they do not become too expensive, too dangerous or too smelly . She likes, however, the things I put on the web .

Our youngest daughter (now 7.5 years old) has quite some interest in chemistry, and sometimes I do some nice experiments with her or let her play herself with some chems (e.g. NaHCO3, vinegar, sugar, salt, very dilute K4Fe(CN)6 and FeCl3 for blue colors). However, she never is allowed to do any chemistry on her own and she knows very well, that she may not go into my lab without me.