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itchyfruit - 15-7-2009 at 15:42

Does anyone know why the Rouge science site is down ?

watson.fawkes - 15-7-2009 at 16:33

Quote: Originally posted by itchyfruit  
Does anyone know why the Rouge science site is down ?
Rouge science has been down, in the main, ever since the Berlin wall came down and Yeltsin came to power. There may still be rouge science in Cuba, but not much. Rouge science is such a Threat to Humanity that it's Mere Possibility was recently preempted in Honduras.

itchyfruit - 15-7-2009 at 16:43

I'm sure it was working a few weeks ago, i only learnt how to use a computer a few months ago and i've been viewing it!!

JohnWW - 15-7-2009 at 16:47

ROUGE science?? "Rouge" is finely divided Fe2O3, used as a cheap and non-toxic red paint pigment, and (similarly to alumina) for polishing metal and glass.

I think he may mean www.roguesci.org . There is a thread about it in the Whimsy section, which I started after I observed that both it AND www.todoquimica.net (hacked by hackers in Argentina) were disabled within the same hour on 1 July, and suspected a common cause. I believe I know the email address of one of the moderators, "Alexires" of Adelaide, South Australia, with whom I have been in private email correspondence, and I will be asking him if he knows anything about it.

P.S. Edit: I have just heard from this moderator, and what he says is as follows. From this it appears that the web-hoster cally.asmallorange.com was HACKED on 1 July, quite possibly by the same ones who hacked www.todoquimica.net in the same hour:

"It seems that a small orange was hacked twice and they pulled all their servers down (once about 3 weeks ago and the other time last week). Apparently, all servers are back online now but Mega might not have gotten around to fixing the damage, if any. That is as much as the moderators know at the moment.

It might be a case of wait out for it to come back online. There should be a reasonably up to date back up of The Forum going around (2-4 weeks old) but I can't find it atm. I'll do a mass email when I find out about it.

Don't stress just yet. Mega might not have been able to pay the bill (new financial year about now) and the site may have been suspended. No one knows just yet. The moderators are still free even if we don't know anything else. If we all suddenly disappear then start worrying."

[Edited on 16-7-09 by JohnWW]

itchyfruit - 15-7-2009 at 16:52

Sorry can't spell to well neither :D

itchyfruit - 15-7-2009 at 16:54

Stupid whimsy section won't let me view it, uuuselees

UnintentionalChaos - 15-7-2009 at 18:02

Quote: Originally posted by itchyfruit  
Stupid whimsy section won't let me view it, uuuselees


You're not missing much. Just JohnWWW and his con$piracy theorie$ a$ u$ual.

[Edited on 7-16-09 by UnintentionalChaos]

itchyfruit - 15-7-2009 at 18:09

Fair enough, i'd still like to know what's happened to rougesci site :)

iHME - 16-7-2009 at 01:17

So what did happen? The only things I have heard are about DMCA takedown notices. (Roguesci did have a awfully large P2P part where people linked to rapidshare and torrents, not to mention, tmp's ftp)
But tmp's FTP is still up.

User - 18-7-2009 at 06:12

Rogue has been down a thousend times, but is it me or is this taking a bit too long now?
I always knew it would be a matter of time before it was whiped of the internet.
Anyone any info on why and how.

iHME - 19-7-2009 at 02:44

It has been off the net before, but without any info and for more than one week?
That has not happened before on my time on the forum (from 2006). The last time we got the "suspended" was when the forum ate too much resources, but it was corrected quickly.
And the complete silence from moderators an mega on this subject does not seem too good.

JohnWW - 19-7-2009 at 03:10

I agree, IHME. It has now been down for 18 days, which has never happened before. As time goes on, the above reassurances of a moderator, given to me some days ago, seem less and less plausible; he is probably as much "in the dark" as I am. I have also emailed Megalomania at an email address that I found by a Google search, a few days ago, without response.

Some of its web-pages have been cached by Google and archive.org, but they are well out-of-date. I have found a BitTorrent download of two versions, of 68 and 73 Mb, of the backup copy of the complete roguesci.org site as at 3 December 2008, details of which are as follows:

Roguesci.org backup copy:
Roguesci Forum Controversial Chem Lab Mirrors - 3 Dec. 2008, Torrent download:
http://www.fulldls.com/torrent-others-1441619.html or
http://www.torrentreactor.net/torrents/2535248/Roguesci-Foru...
Added: 7 months ago
Size: 142 Megabyte, consisting of 68 Mb and 73 Mb versions of the 3 December 2008 backup
Peers: 8 Seeders & 3 Leechers
Tracker: http://tracker.thepiratebay.org
Infohash: c332dc5dbb36c7240588ec7216a0ec0c3fb60eef
Download torrent from:
http://www.fulldls.com/download-others-1441619-Roguesci+Foru... or
http://dl.torrentreactor.net/download.php?id=2535248&nam...

JohnWW - 19-7-2009 at 03:12

I agree, IHME. It has now been down for 18 days, which has never happened before. As time goes on, the above moderator's reassurances of some days ago, seem less and less plausible; he is probably as much "in the dark" as I am. I have also emailed Megalomania at an email address that I found by a Google search, a few days ago, without response.

Some of its web-pages have been cached by Google and archive.org, but they are well out-of-date. I have found a BitTorrent download of two versions, of 68 and 73 Mb, of the backup copy of the complete roguesci.org site as at 3 December 2008, details of which are as follows:

Roguesci.org backup copy:
Roguesci Forum Controversial Chem Lab Mirrors - 3 Dec. 2008, Torrent download:
http://www.fulldls.com/torrent-others-1441619.html or
http://www.torrentreactor.net/torrents/2535248/Roguesci-Foru...
Added: 7 months ago
Size: 142 Megabyte, consisting of 68 Mb and 73 Mb versions of the 3 December 2008 backup
Peers: 8 Seeders & 3 Leechers
Tracker: http://tracker.thepiratebay.org
Infohash: c332dc5dbb36c7240588ec7216a0ec0c3fb60eef
Download torrent from:
http://www.fulldls.com/download-others-1441619-Roguesci+Foru... or
http://dl.torrentreactor.net/download.php?id=2535248&nam...

Meanwhile, the latest news from http://www.todoquimica.net , also hacked in the same hour, is that it is still down, but that it seems to have been taken over by redirection by another mostly Spanish-language site, joomla.org, which appears to have nothing whatsoever to do with chemical engineering or chemistry. However, they reckon that they are "restoring the database" of "the old" Todoquimica.net; but I will believe that only when I see it!

Again, some of its web-pages have been cached by Google and archive.org, but they similarly are well out-of-date and exclude those requiring login with name and password, such as the valuable "Ebooks y papers" and "Programas" forums and "Descargas". I have found these two other mostly Spanish- and Portuguese-language chemical engineering forum sites, which MAY have much the same content and links as Todoquimica.net, with most of their members being in México, Argentina, España, Brasil, Chile, and Portugal:
http://ingequimuc.superforo.net/
http://www.ingenieriaquimica.net/foro

[Edited on 19-7-09 by JohnWW]

iHME - 20-7-2009 at 04:56

There is one roguesci backup from 2008 with mega's chemlab included on piratebay.
I have already downloaded it and I'm currently seeding. It is ~160mb.
I recommend downloadind it from tpb asap because who knows how long piratebay will be open for non-paying members.

JohnWW - 20-7-2009 at 08:01

That is exactly the same as the torrent download I mentioned above.
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4550586/Roguesci_Forum_Contr...
It was uploaded by DontTreadOnMe: http://thepiratebay.org/user/x_DontTreadOnMe_x/

I also have a backup of it dated 18th January 2009, also uploaded by HinckleyForPresident, to a mediafire.com link originally. I suppose I could reupload this to rapidshare.com, if anyone wants it.

HinckleyForPresident's website is:
http://www.dererumomnis.org/ or http://www.dererumomnis.org/bbs
Public key: http://www.dererumomnis.org/hinckleyforpresident.asc
- but it has gone down too, and its domain-name is up for sale! It is not archived on Google; and on archive.org, only two pages each from January 2007 and 2008 are archived: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.dererumomnis.org/
http://web.archive.org/web/20080115072531rn_1/www.dererumomn...
- but not their library and other pages requiring login.

The archived pages disclose HinckleyForPresident's e mail address: John_Hinckley: hinckleyforpresident@gmail.com .
Archived pages of roguesci.org disclose Megalomania's only currently working email address: megalomania@scientificmind.com
although I still have not had any reply from him regarding the fate of roguesci.org. Enkidu and Dharma are other prominent personalities on both sites, but no email addresses can be found for them.




[Edited on 20-7-09 by JohnWW]

Bohrium - 27-7-2009 at 08:53

HFP doesn't use that email or public key any more. Here's his current (to my knowledge) email:

hinckleyforpresident@hushmail.com

I'm not sure how, but I'm pretty sure you can get public keys from hushmail. Otherwise just ask him.

Also, I was a member on DRO, and it was taken down some time ago.

A side note, Dharma wasn't a prominent member on RS. He had all of two posts, IIRC.

JohnWW - 27-7-2009 at 10:23

Quote: Originally posted by itchyfruit  
Stupid whimsy section won't let me view it, uuuselees
Ask a moderator for the password to the Whimsy section.

Sedit - 27-7-2009 at 14:45

I have talked with a few people you name John and it appears that even the moderators are left in the dark as to what became of RS.

entropy51 - 27-7-2009 at 17:21

Rather mysterious how these forums just disappear, isn't it? Mismanagement? Infighting? Lack of funds? More sinister? No one ever seems to really know where they went and why.

Sedit - 27-7-2009 at 18:37

Perhaps Megalomania got to careless with a chemistry experiment and had trouble paying the bill online with no fingers left...

damn that sounds ignorent, im just kidding folks don't get your panties in a bunch please.

chaac - 2-8-2009 at 10:06

I'm posting this announcement on several sites, we're trying to get the now scattered RS members organized.


As many of you have noticed, roguesci.org has been down for some
time. Myself (Chaac) and another moderator (Mr. Science) have
decided that the time has come to take action, and to begin anew.
We have created a temporary board to organize members.

The URL is http://rstemp.1.forumer.com/

This is on a free host, and it is just being used for the sake of getting
everyone together. There will be no E&W or related chemistry
discussion on the temporary board. Once we have everyone organized,
we will be opening a new site aimed at filling the void roguesci
has left behind. However, we will also now be allowing formerly
unallowed subjects such as pharmacology. The new site will be
generally be aimed more towards chemistry than explosives
specifically. If you were a member on roguesci, or were interested
in the subjects, I would like to encourage you to join the new
board.

I will post the new forum link when it is online, which will be within a week.

User - 2-8-2009 at 11:55

This is good.
Wondering what happened to mega.

chaac - 9-8-2009 at 16:46

Quote: Originally posted by chaac  

I will post the new forum link when it is online, which will be within a week.


http://www.phrixus-sci.org/forum/index.php

RVM45 - 26-8-2009 at 12:51

Is Phrixus down now?

All I get is an error page...

.....RVM45 :cool::(:cool:

kclo4 - 26-8-2009 at 13:40

http://www.phrixus-sci.org/forum/index.php
Comes up for me just fine.... right now anyways.

JohnWW - 26-8-2009 at 13:47

I cross-posted links for some new Rapidshare.com links of mine on it only a few hours ago; and Phrixus-sci.org seems to be doing fine now. So if, all of a sudden, you cannot access it, its static IP address is probably being blocked by your ISP, after they found out about its taking up where Roguesci.org left off. Try accessing it through a proxy-server in a foreign country selected from http://www.samair.ru/proxy .

zed - 30-8-2009 at 17:03

Ummm. Rouge (Fe2O3) is called Rouge, Because it is red.

As in La Moulin Rouge; The Red Windmill.

I would suppose, that since the Reds (the communists), are no longer running things, the term Rouge Science.....Is rapidly becoming an anachronism.

So, was there actually a website called Rouge Science?

[Edited on 31-8-2009 by zed]

1281371269 - 30-8-2009 at 17:19

A Communist science site would be nice. Of course, no chemical could be more reactive than another so it might fall pretty quick.

kclo4 - 30-8-2009 at 17:25

lol that is pretty funny thanks for that!
probably best to avoid such jokes... talking about political things make people go crazy.

not_important - 30-8-2009 at 21:54

Quote: Originally posted by Mossydie  
A Communist science site would be nice. Of course, no chemical could be more reactive than another so it might fall pretty quick.


All chemicals are equally reactive, but some are more equally reactive than others.


franklyn - 9-9-2009 at 12:03

The megalomania archive seems intact here

http://web.archive.org/web/20060101094808/roguesci.org/megal...
http://web.archive.org/web/20050207081034/roguesci.org/megal...

.

1281371269 - 9-9-2009 at 13:19

Quote: Originally posted by not_important  
Quote: Originally posted by Mossydie  
A Communist science site would be nice. Of course, no chemical could be more reactive than another so it might fall pretty quick.


All chemicals are equally reactive, but some are more equally reactive than others.



:D

zed - 12-9-2009 at 19:18

Red Mercury?

News On Roguesci

MadHatter - 26-9-2009 at 03:09

I've learned from a very reliable source associated with Mega as to what happened to RS.
The source wishes to remain anonymous and I respect that.

Mega is just fine. The 'ASMALLORANGE' servers were hacked by a crypto-ransom virus. The
server owners and the FBI are trying to sort through the attacks even while the
extortionists are still trying to collect payment. Mega says RS will be back before 2010
and that nothing was lost because it's all been backed up.

I've had some experience getting rid of the 'AntiVirus 2009' and earlier versions of
this extortionware. These go after individual computers and attempt to extort money.
The 'System Restore' feature has been my main weapon against these assholes.

But now, AntiVirus 2010, an even more sophisticated version, completely dominates
the operating system. My nephew's computer is infected with this latest version and I'm
having a difficult time trying to get rid of it. Windows XP won't even allow a login or
boot from a CD ! I just received a new eide-interfaced floppy drive for the next attempt
as his computer doesn't have one and mine fubared itself. I'll keep you posted.

User - 26-9-2009 at 03:43

A virus...
ah well it is good news that RS will be back online.
Funny how nothing was reported for quite a while.
And how the conspiracy theories where synthesized

JohnWW - 26-9-2009 at 04:16

Oh! Another version of that "extortionware", or "$camware" if you like (being both a viru$ and a $cam), that has been doing the rounds lately, appears to be that called "Total $ecurity". I was somehow hit by it, recently.

When "Total $ecurity" infects a computer (probably by someone deliberately targeting specific online computer, initially putting a setup EXE file in a "hidden" system folder on a drive, which installs itself on rebooting), with its main executable files being buried deep in the "Documents And Settings" system of folders and in a folder in "Program Files", on booting it displays a "guff" page saying that your computer is infected, and then pretends to do a virus scan, in which it throws up all sorts of fictitious virus and trojan infection results. At the same time, it prevents you from running any other programs, including real anti-virus programs and Regedit, and including those which normally start on booting, except for Explorer and browsers and internet connection software. At the conclusion of the alleged "virus $can", it pops up a page demanding that you go to a certain web$ite and pay them a sum of money by credit-card or PayPal, in order to be given something to remove the fictitious viru$es.

I got rid of it by pressing F10 - "System Restore" - on rebooting, which replaces the DAT registry files in the Windows folder, set to start "Total $ecurity" on rebooting, with the previous version, which does not contain the keys which start it on rebooting. Then, without "Total $ecurity" running, you can run an anti-virus program to find and remove its files from all folders in the boot drive where they could possibly be located.

If, in its more sophisticated version, using "F10-system restore" does not work, and it still demands money from you to make it go away, the only other methods of removal would be either: by booting from an emergency boot floppy disk and manually deleting (DEL) its executable files in DOS (if you know where to look for them, and what their names and dates are), or better still booting into Windows (safe mode) from a boot CD-ROM if your version of Windows has allowed one to be made; or by using a temporary substitute boot drive, with the original boot drive set up as a secondary drive or in an external hard drive case, and either using an anti-virus program like AVG on the original boot drive or failing that reformatting it and copying a backed up image of its uninfected state back onto it.

[Edited on 27-9-09 by JohnWW]

franklyn - 26-9-2009 at 16:06

@ MadHatter
" Windows XP won't even allow a login or boot from a CD "

The order of which device may boot is set in the BIOS
set the CD to first boot device. You can leave it like that
since it is bypassed if no CD is detected in the drive.

If you still have trouble , verify that the CD drive is in
working order , blow air in it perhaps a dust ball is blocking
the laser.

Attachment: BIOS Keys.rtf (4kB)
This file has been downloaded 702 times

chaac - 29-9-2009 at 22:57

None of this makes sense. I won't even begin to believe this unless I can see a PGP signed message from mega himself.

stateofhack - 30-9-2009 at 00:10

Quote: Originally posted by chaac  
None of this makes sense. I won't even begin to believe this unless I can see a PGP signed message from mega himself.


Good for you, some people are trying to provide some sort of info and opinion, no one gives a flying fuck if you don't believe it, but hey thank you soooo much for sharing this with us;)

chaac - 30-9-2009 at 07:25

Quote: Originally posted by stateofhack  

Good for you, some people are trying to provide some sort of info and opinion, no one gives a flying fuck if you don't believe it, but hey thank you soooo much for sharing this with us;)


Well, apparently we're throwing civility out the door.

How about this: why hasn't megalomania just said this himself? There is no good reason why an extortionware program on his server would render him incapable of sending an email or making a post from his PC. And why is the FBI involved in a hacking case like this?

I considered not saying anything, because I imagined I might get a dipshit response like yours. However, I think that people should be made aware of the inconsistencies of this story.

[Edited on 30-9-2009 by chaac]

dann2 - 30-9-2009 at 12:02

EDIT:
WARNING:
This post contains a horribly politically incorrect sight that may upset some viewers.
You have been warned.


Quote: Originally posted by chaac  
............
How about this: why hasn't megalomania just said this himself? There is no good reason why an extortionware program on his server would render him incapable of sending an email or making a post from his PC. And why is the FBI involved in a hacking case like this?........................


Sums it up well IMO.

megalomania MEGALOMANIA WHERE ARE YOU (big echoing shout)

I never posted on Rogue Sci. so I know littel about it but was there anything being discussed there that was not available elsewhere???
The whole kerfuffle is a bit of a storm in a teacup. No disrespect to Megalomania but he has probably moved onto something else and did not pay the bill. Perhaps he posts on this board as a different entity?????????????????
and lots of other boards too.

FBI me arse

Dann2


[Edited on 30-9-2009 by dann2]

hissingnoise - 30-9-2009 at 12:23

RogueScience just wasn't big enough?

franklyn - 10-3-2010 at 22:00

For those who miss the old Weapons and Explosives forum
http://thedisease.net
The re-incarnation also appears doing well if somewhat beleaguered
http://www.phrixus-sci.org/forum/index.php

.

User - 11-3-2010 at 05:37

Wow, that disease forum seems like one messed up place to be.

Funny how phrixus does not seem to get off the ground, I guess not everyone is willing to go to that place.
Sorry to say but both this and rogue contained close to no science.

hissingnoise - 11-3-2010 at 05:38

More beleaguered than doing well. . .
It's been down for a fortnight or more!
It seemed a rule-ridden forum too.


franklyn - 12-3-2010 at 07:59

Wow , M.I.T. , now that's prestigious _

http://web.mit.edu/semenko/Public/Military%20Manuals/RogueSc...

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Mildronate - 18-4-2010 at 00:41

Any ideas where Mega is?

Chainhit222 - 22-5-2010 at 23:38

Soooo... any news?

chief - 23-5-2010 at 02:20

With those rules they had it couldn't have survived anyhow:
==> It was more a club of old members than a forum ...; now it's an archive ...

Rogue Science Comeback

MadHatter - 24-6-2010 at 11:53

RS has a page stating "Rogue Science Will Rise Again". The bird in the background is
"Phoenix Rising". Is this a video game ?
The soundtrack being played is Thomas Dolby's, She Blinded Me With Science.

I don't know what to make of this page. It doesn't specify any kind of time frame. It's
been almost a year now.

The_Davster - 24-6-2010 at 22:22

If I had to guess the page was taken down to stop NBKs eventual US trial from having a source of evidence. I was always expecting the page to make a comeback after this. I guess we shall see if I am correct if it comes back.

Mildronate - 1-8-2010 at 06:06

But where is Mega? :(

Chainhit222 - 4-8-2010 at 14:11

Quote: Originally posted by Mildronate  
But where is Mega? :(


smoke blunts and choking for entertainment

hissingnoise - 4-8-2010 at 14:42

This shit. . . smells like cheap perfume, tastes like champagne and takes you to the moon. . .


JohnWW - 4-8-2010 at 14:59

Roguesci.org has only a picture of a phoenix on its site now. http://www.phrixus-sci.org is STILL down, with only one page accessible, due to "spam attacks", after several months. http://www.todoquimica.net has not come back, either.

entropy51 - 4-8-2010 at 17:31

Quote: Originally posted by Mildronate  
But where is Mega? :(
I can't sleep at night wondering "Where is Mega?"

OK, I do wonder every now and then "What is a Mega?"

iHME - 5-8-2010 at 04:50

Megalomania has posted on Alexeries board "digitalprecursor.org" http://www.digitalprecursor.org/forum.php
Some senior members have verified him as mega.
He really does not go in to detail about roguesci's demise, but said to be working on bringing it back.

franklyn - 5-8-2010 at 07:53

Quote: Originally posted by iHME  
Megalomania has posted on Alexeries board "digitalprecursor.org"

On this forum the equivalent of that entire board is posted every few hours.

My , how the mighty have fallen.

.

Explosives and Weapons Forum archive mirror

Rosco Bodine - 1-9-2010 at 20:43

http://ysatel.net/ftp/roguesci/www.roguesci.org/theforum/arc...

Vogelzang - 2-9-2010 at 09:42

Is this thread about Khmer Rouge science?


very interesting

Rosco Bodine - 15-10-2010 at 06:33



( check the image properties )

Polverone - 15-10-2010 at 12:19

I doubt that has anything to do with the real NSA. I have seen seized domains plastered with FBI, DEA, and (I think) DHS logos and messages, but never NSA.

Rosco Bodine - 15-10-2010 at 14:32

The logo image file is off symmetry by one pixel.

That's encouraging to me that it probably isn't the real deal.

Eliteforum - 18-10-2010 at 06:09

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^ Other websites listed that are running on the same IP.

hmmm hmmm hmmm hmmm

Rosco Bodine - 24-10-2010 at 20:42

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLSSAZ7wsM0&fmt=18 Blackbird



[Edited on 25-10-2010 by Rosco Bodine]

Bismuth - 30-10-2010 at 16:30

http://www.roguesci.org/

Well... well... just look at that. Isn't that interesting?

Rosco Bodine - 30-10-2010 at 18:41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8x7nbN0G-M&fmt=18 Superman returns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huB9uqNKP-M&fmt=18 Can You Read My Mind

[Edited on 31-10-2010 by Rosco Bodine]

not_important - 30-10-2010 at 19:12

The Fugs - CIA Man

Maniak - 31-10-2010 at 00:44

Good morning men, I'm pleased to see the roguesci rising and I'm sure I'm one of the million who are looking forward!

Anyway, I'm searching for some most recent roguesci archive. I've found some torrent by Hinckleyforpresident, but there are some threads missing, especially PETN thread.. I've also found something on web.archive.org, but I was unable to find anything there so as nearly every second page was inaccessible. Can somebody provide me some useful link to roguesci archive? Thanks a lot!

Rosco Bodine - 14-11-2010 at 10:26

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pCsqe-tPPI&fmt=18 Thunderclap Newman - Something In The Air (1969)

Call out the instigators
Because there’s something in the air
We’ve got to get together sooner or later
Because the revolution’s here,

and you know it’s right
And you know that it’s right

We have got to get it together
We have got to get it together now

Lock up the streets and houses
Because there’s something in the air
We’ve got to get together sooner or later
Because the revolution’s here,

and you know it’s right
And you know that it’s right

We have got to get it together
We have got to get it together now

Hand out the arms and ammo
We’re going to blast our way through here
We’ve got to get together sooner or later
Because the revolution’s here,

and you know it’s right
And you know that it’s right

We have got to get it together
We have got to get it together now


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5M_Ttstbgs&fmt=18 Buffalo Springfield - For What It's Worth


[Edited on 14-11-2010 by Rosco Bodine]

iHME - 6-12-2010 at 13:57

Quote: Originally posted by Rosco Bodine  
The logo image file is off symmetry by one pixel.

That's encouraging to me that it probably isn't the real deal.


It is not the real deal.
The admin just has a weird sense of humor.

The ftp site that was hosted at ysatel.net is currently offline due to some things.
Among these things is the large amount of linking from mujahiden sites that the admin did not like too much.
While we did discuss replacing some files with gay porn to offend the people linking to these files we decided to take the site down.

Sorry for any inconvenience.
If needed it should be possible to bring back the roguesci.org archive.

iHME - 8-12-2010 at 17:12

Well the edit time is over so I have to double post.

The archive is back online
http://ysatel.net/ftp/roguesci/www.roguesci.org/theforum/arc...

As the Admin is a lazy bastard I'll have to make this announcement.
It does not take that much time to create a account.
Oh well, there it is now, enjoy.

Ephoton - 8-12-2010 at 22:00

any hard feeling if I teleport pro it ?

iHME - 9-12-2010 at 03:45

Quote: Originally posted by Ephoton  
any hard feeling if I teleport pro it ?


Nope.
But that is mostlikely the archive available on piratebay.
I'll have to ask the admin if this is his personal rip or the Hickleyforpresident one.

Zinc - 15-12-2010 at 04:37

Most of the threads in the archive don't work. It says "Not found".

Also it seems that roguesci is currently password protected, does anyone know why, and will the password be lifted?

Rosco Bodine - 15-12-2010 at 11:53

The zipped archive

file name: RogueSci,org Forum Archive 6-14-09 by Chaac.rar

is now in the upload folder on the MadHatter FTP.

Some older archives are already in the backup folder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLLNt8nP1Rw&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELNh23yRiJc&feature=relat...

[Edited on 15-12-2010 by Rosco Bodine]

holmes1880 - 16-12-2010 at 08:34

I've seen your quotes on Rogue Sci and you were kewler than any kewl on there. LOL :D Like a teenie bomber.

Rosco Bodine - 16-12-2010 at 09:27

I have a hundred stirbars and a dozen prop jobs so you know I like to stir things up.

sbillinghurst - 16-12-2010 at 12:16

I thought I thaw my way inside, but Dr. John WW went all the way to the finely divided. I am going to steer it to a "Captain Obvious", so, if we put the O where it goes, the staright name is Capt. John WOW, but it is already not funny, if you aks him, much less the tattoo. Um, it goes on my bung hole and it says 'wow', but I do cartwheels and it then says 'wow mom'. See what I did there?

Rogue elephants dot com just returns "rogueelephantart.com". The work is "a small orange", but elephants are much funnier in a big klatch. The plural.

If I work the rouge as I want to do, I shall change what I am putting it on to my hand. That's two refs to South Park. Animation has risen or sunk to new levels on account of this show, but Mike Judge, of "Beavis and Butthead", graduated same time, same place, as me. His: physics, mine: chem. Couldn't you guess?

This whole post is degraded. Mr. John, is a guy, who has his finger on the pulse of South America. I don't know if screen names injure the owners if I maniplulate them. I thought they were the access to anonymity. You never know.

So, John, imagine a chemical company exists to supply ephedrine. Any order that goes out, can that be hacked into and diverted? You write about hacking. I just wonder, Sport, because now you are a chemist/computer wonk.

When does it change from national security, resetting valves on nuclear power plants, to a lower form of attack with the possibility of going undetected, but sending real material, not just torrents, to new destinations?

I saw "Day of the Jackel, Jackle, JACKAL" with Bruce Willis, but it had some holes. What do you think of the ppl who can't spell, anyway?

Jesus I am dumb. I just don't read. I think I know it all. That's what you are old for.

Steve, you are not old for a reason. You are old because ...I don't know. Why is there aging? Is it yeast, or rouge, no. Rouge and formaldehyde help preserve the dead, who there is no reason to resurrect.

I'm not satisfied with torrents any more. I want sharks with laser beams attached to their heads. I want the secrets of computerization told to those who can handle it. It is time we started offing the members of the oligarchy. See how the 'h' in that word gives it the 'k' sound, Itchyfruit?

Otherwise, it is a darcy, like a D'Artgnon. Don't be impressed with spelling names, people. I increase the stress looking for a failure, when you already are already out of whale oil to put on the gears of the ancient machines already.

So, this excellent, (pause. Who is he, so excellent?), John guy, you would have the Portagee and the Spanish...

There's no Portuguese in California. Where do they make this stuff up, a giant wave of Portuguese immigration to the United States. (Yunite Estates)?

Google Translate, sure, but I bid the developing question of a wearable real-time translator. Otherwise and sure, yeah, the Wikileaks era we are suddently thrust into, we need, in order to maximize this point in history, you know, the lasting effects for the good of all minus the elite, umm, it stirred up the possibilities. Before it is again obscured, ...

I want all the movements of materials, branches, leaves, rouge, other buffing compounds, for every scrap of trash and finished matchstick for all the trade, everywhere. It's in reach. Assange has to answer for the density and opacity of huge data dumps. How can we search it? It hasn't even been stolen!

Let me test you guys: what is Elmer's Glue, and what is Armor-All? I was able to scrape up these two items in my whole working career. What is nickel brightener?

Vinyl acetate, 50% silicone emulsion, saccharine.

Here, go buy some poison to put in people's food: http://www.electromax.com/spec_ingred.html

Cutesy it up: :P

Keep it sane, Steve. Okay, I will need a brush to do this. You already have a pesticide in your language against insanity, consisting of the proper use of time, in the interval. You are flattened in the direction of travel. Set your alarm for ten minutes, commence to think, and when it goes off, you write down your entire dialog, the critical thoughts being the last three words before the alarm went off.

I can't do it. I don't listen to you, I don't even listen to myself.

Notice as you watch the television interview with the survivors that they waste their fifteen minutes of fame by not stating that they are going to be crying in a minute, and then stick to it. They could have predicted it, then they'd be psychic. Instead, they come out with this, "Don't play that one, Pa, that one always makes me cry." "No, I'm about to play the one that makes you take off your clothes, daughter." So, they're liars. They give being psychic a bad name.

No-one acts like he can predict the future one whit.

At time zero, carbon entered the food chain. No, I don't know when time zero is. At time t, the entire mass of uranium began to be tracked by computer. No, I don't care where that's headed.

At some point, computers became more vulnerable, traceable to the pissing-off of a horde of hackers. We already have the model of the cult of the suicide bomber, and this model may be flimsy. Perhaps some forms of auto-homicide are not suicide. Therefore, it appears that as long as our language of it is self-mutilated, our chance of understanding it is like the monkeys who bang out Shakespeare on a row of typewriters, once you get enough of them.

Boy, there's two funnier things than this, and my Windows Update erases all my tabs. They were golden, precisely on the retort factor. One is on Bluetube, and one is on YouTube. The Yo---one is "shaolin fights tae kwan do", the comments, and the other one is Bluelight, with ah, eureka, "how to smoke meth outta a light bulb", again, the comments make it.

Actually, one of them is linked to the thing I just gave you the Googly to. I haven't the foggiest as to how to say, "What does this link to?"

I am getting a lot of Russians who search to my site on how to make meth. I hope they aren't becoming too bad-boy in their mountains in the Ukraine. They only have a President, Putin, who gives off mafia vibes, and I know, but he's jumped in. He frickin' poisons a guy with polonium. I can't believe that. That's next to something on Ripley's Believe it or Not. Believe it or don't.

Yet, he is not guilty. I'll take mine in an atomic milkshake.

Ah, here's why I thought to myself yesterday, "The roar of the greasepaint." I had to pare it down to that. It's originally the smell. Roar's the crowd. Rohr's the aluminum skins on a buck for the, what, Titan? I don't care who you are, it's rouge. rogue, rogue, rogue. There, fixed. That way you won't fly into a mountain (on Mars).

Say again? Do we have an ambassador for this state dinner? repeat repeat not not repeat not, come back?

I am fractal. I can feel my image rastering. I'm appearing to sink into the bed the way butter disappears in a hot skillet.

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Take your meds and stop trolling - Vulture

[Edited on 17-12-2010 by vulture]

smaerd - 17-12-2010 at 15:35

No offense sbillinghurst but, have you gone and eaten the graph paper that gets passed around at concerts? Perhaps it's me but I could make no sense out of that post to spite it's length and the heart that went into writing it...

Password Protected

franklyn - 22-12-2010 at 00:58

http://www.roguesci.org/theforum

.

iHME - 23-12-2010 at 05:20

RogueSci is now UP!
The Forum is not up yet :(

http://roguesci.org/


I also wonder what will happen with the pictures.
They are sure to be under some copyright.

[Edited on 23-12-2010 by iHME]

Renaissance Man - 30-12-2010 at 06:55

Quote: Originally posted by smaerd  
No offense sbillinghurst but, have you gone and eaten the graph paper that gets passed around at concerts? Perhaps it's me but I could make no sense out of that post to spite it's length and the heart that went into writing it...


HAHA, This has easily been one of the most hilarious threads I have ever read between that an the communist reagents joke.

Quote: Originally posted by Rosco Bodine  


( check the image properties )


I spent a good deal of time a few years ago reading on some of the more esoteric computing forums. Instantly my time there came back as I saw these images, I saw a lot of stuff like this. Mysterious posts accompanied by suggestive music, isn't a bit odd that jpg compression was used, (gif is superior in size and quality for images with swaths of one color, like logos) the dimensions of one of the images was 500x499, and the file file's size given the low resolution and degradation from compression?

I have not had an opportunity to do a lot of close examination yet, but it piques my interest. But, then again I am probably just being paranoid and seeing things that aren't there.

It's all probably from that graph paper I found at burning man. ;)

sbovisjb1 - 18-9-2011 at 20:16

It seems that Roguesci is back. Does anyone have any information about whats going on? The last I knew, NBK2000 was in Canadian jail, waiting extradition for murder.

dennisfrancisblewettiii - 19-9-2011 at 00:12

I believe that is still the case. I hope the truth of the situation pans out. I'm unsure of his innocence/guilt.

Personally, I don't see the value in roguesci anymore. Years ago, I thought it was kewl.

On a professional level, many of the mayhem ideas involving explosives were expensive.

Furthermore, once people started discussing biological warfare and various biological eugenic ideas on how to developmentally stop child birth and other stuff, that's when the site went down and things started getting shady.

On a tangent, developmental biology was starting to get a re-work in 2005 with a lot more dev-bio knowledge and epigentic knowledge coming out. It may be possible to put something in water and stop child birth. But I wouldn't know what such an agent would be nor whether or not it could transport to the gametes/ovum to control epigenetic regulation.

If you consider placing something like that in poor countries, than you could probably get away with it. Such a thing would be a sure act of terrorism to cripple the race and genetic population of the area.

For that time period (~2005), Bush had yet to implement biological warfare safeguards in America. Efforts were put forward more in his rein. This involves computers and various biological filters to examine incoming biological contaminants. Much of the technology is still lacking, though.

As far as I understand, the owner of the website did not have a large professional knowledge of biological warfare but had more knowledge in chemistry.

It would be really entertaining to talk about population dynamics and biological warfare. But the last time I started doing that stuff (years ago), I started seeing a lot of shady figures. Personally, I just study the neurobiology of cognition now. But I have a gift for studying viruses, microbiology, and population dynamics.

I can assure you that the government is still very paranoid about smart people with dangerous ideas.

Personally, I've been reading about more stuff on rhodium these days. I'm interested in how to make illicit drugs for experimental purposes (such as seeing how long I can keep a mouse high on methamphetamines and have it go through a morris water maze). Various crazy ideas relating to neurobiology.

Other mad ideas I have involves hematophagy and attempting to find ways to explore the neurobiological identity (and mathematical correlates) of it, and then induce it in other species. Heh. :cool: I'm interested in the instinctual knowledge aspects of it; and I want to see if those aspects can be instilled in other species without much effort. AKA: I want to make other species want to consume blood.

It's a mad idea, for sure. I think it would be possible with some cybernetics and brain re-routing, but axonal transport is still a mystery to do it without cybernetics to encourage particular kinds of motivational population coding based on environmental stimuli.

[Edited on 19-9-2011 by Genecks]

S.C. Wack - 19-9-2011 at 15:56

Quote: Originally posted by sbovisjb1  
It seems that Roguesci is back


Where? Not at the link above. Bit of a change there on those static pages.

Funny this comes up to remind me that NBK's next court date is Oct. 24, I forgot he just had one. He's been held without bail for murder in Sacramento County Jail since May 27 of 09.

Chordate - 19-9-2011 at 16:04

Quote: Originally posted by Genecks  

Personally, I've been reading about more stuff on rhodium these days. I'm interested in how to make illicit drugs for experimental purposes (such as seeing how long I can keep a mouse high on methamphetamines and have it go through a morris water maze). Various crazy ideas relating to neurobiology.
[Edited on 19-9-2011 by Genecks]


Poor mice! You should perhaps try the aryl-propylaminopentanes : their synthesis employs many of the same chemical routes as those less legal ones and has some really cool effects on mice such as extending their lifespan and enhancing cognitive abilities.

As for rhodium, say what you will about their motivations, ethics, and the general standards of rigor: the combination of greed and the needs for clandestine routes to compounds is an amazing environment for the development of some ingenious process chemistry, which is usually an afterthought in most research environments.

S.C. Wack - 4-3-2012 at 07:07

NBK's trial began last week...there had been no warning in the news; he had been scheduled for court every couple weeks for a long time. And again Monday.

http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2012/02/tight-securit...
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/28/v-print/4295965/sacramento-...

February 27, 2012
Tight security marks opening in Sacramento of dismemberment trial

Heightened security marked the beginning of the Sacramento Superior Court trial today for a man accused of shooting an acquaintance with an AK-47 assault rifle and then chopping off his head.

Two deputies screened visitors at the door of Judge Lloyd G. Connelly's courtroom just before opening statements in the trial of defendant Arthur Charles Carnes IV.

Carnes, 40 is accused in the Nov. 18, 2007, killing of Matthew Alan Seybert, 41.

Sheriff's Lt. John Randazzo said the Carnes case has generated a few extra security concerns, "more so than the average inmate."

Jurors came into the courtroom and then went out on a morning break through a back entrance. Two deputies sat behind Carnes, who is acting as his own attorney. Most in-custody defendants only have one deputy watching over them at trial.

"We just want to make sure the trial goes according to schedule, and without interruptions," Randazzo said.

Jury selection for the Carnes trial was delayed several weeks ago when security officials screening a package of evidentiary items the defendant had ordered found a knife. It turned out that the knife was identified as a possible exhibit at trial. Asked if the security scan at the courthouse entrance figured into the added security, Randazzo said, "All of it figures into it."

At the time of his arrest in May 2009, investigators said Carnes had posted messages on what they described as an anti-government website. They said he posted under the name "nbk2000," which they translated to mean "Natural Born Killer 2000."

About three weeks after Seybert had gone missing, his body was found on rural property off Stockton Boulevard near Galt where the victim had been living and where he allowed the defendant to also reside.

Deputy District Attorney Kevin Greene said Seybert had planned to move, which also meant Carnes would have to leave.

"Arthur Carnes had nowhere to go," Greene told the jury in his opening statement today, so "Arthur Carnes decided to take matters into his own hands."

Greene said Carnes "drugged Mathew Seybert. He then tied Matthew Seybert up. He shot Matthew Seybert in the head, then chopped off his head, his left arm, his right arm, his left leg, and he dumped the body parts in a creek on the farm."

The prosecutors said investigators tracked Carnes to Canada where they found a camera that contained some gruesome photographs.

"On that camera were Arthur Carnes' handiwork," Green told jurors today. "Pictures show Matthew Seybert drugged. Picture of Matthew Seybert tied up. Picture of Matthew Seybert with a bullet hole in his head. Picture of Matthew Sybert laying on the bed. On the floor is a bucket. In that bucket is Mr. Seybert's head."

Carnes began his opening statement with a reference to how "any competent DA could indict a ham sandwich." Greene objected on grounds the statement was more like a closing argument. Connelly sustained the objection and Carnes decided to hold off on his opening remarks until the conclusion of the prosecution's case.

++++++++++++++++++

Sacramento murder trial defendant boasts of weapons expertise
afurillo@sacbee.com
Published Tuesday, Feb. 28, 2012

Arthur Charles Carnes IV is accused of shooting a man with an AK-47 in the head and then cutting it off.

As testimony began in his murder trial Monday, Carnes suggested that if he really wanted to kill somebody, just let him count the ways.

He described himself as an expert in explosives, poisons, assorted firearms, improvised weaponry and basic sharp metal objects. He could poison you with cyanide, blow you up with chemical weapons, disable you with nerve gas, knock you out with chloroform. Before his arrest, Carnes said, he had at his disposal timer fuses, ignitors and chemicals used to make bombs.

And he very much wanted his jury to know it, asking for permission to call a witness to testify about his knowledge about capabilities with weapons of mass destruction.

"Excuse my naivete," asked Sacramento Superior Court Judge Lloyd G. Connelly. "But why would you want to adduce in front of the jury that you have those kinds of skills?"

Carnes, acting as his own attorney, said he had his reasons. Deputy District Attorney Kevin Greene already told the court he had no plans to bring in the defendant's weapons expertise in what the prosecutor characterized as a "relatively simple" case.

But Carnes said he wants to cover himself, just in case his knowledge about the administration of death becomes an issue.

"I want to get in front of it," he told the judge.

Connelly scheduled a hearing for today on how much testimony he will allow from a Carnes-subpoenaed munitions expert, Sam Larder.

Larder, who is testifying early to accommodate his schedule, is likely to take up the entire court day, in an evidentiary hearing and with his jury testimony.

Carnes, now 40, is accused of murder in the Nov. 17, 2007, shooting death and dismemberment of his former boss in a lawnmower repair business, Matthew Alan Seybert, 41.

Greene said in his opening statement Monday that Carnes had been living on a rural lot near Galt rented by Seybert. The prosecutor said Seybert was about to move and that Carnes feared the relocation would leave him unemployed and homeless.

With nowhere to go, Carnes "drugged Matthew Seybert," Greene said. "He then tied Matthew Seybert up. He shot Matthew Seybert in the head, then chopped off his head, his left arm, his right arm, his left leg, and he dumped the body parts in a creek on the farm."

The prosecutor said investigators tracked Carnes to Canada, where they found a camera that contained some gruesome photographs.

William Seybert, the victim's father, said his son was "no angel." Matt Seybert robbed a man when he was 15 and had an insurance fraud conviction as an adult that put him in prison. "But he was no violent criminal," his father said.

Carnes began his opening statement Monday by saying that "any competent DA can indict a ham sandwich." Greene objected, saying the comment amounted to an argument, not an opening statement. Connelly concurred. Carnes then held off for now on his opening remarks.

In Monday's testimony, a woman identified Carnes as the man who chloroformed her in 1991. Carnes served four years in prison on the conviction.

Other witnesses testified Carnes shot birds and feral cats at the Seybert rental acreage on Stockton Boulevard near Galt. They said he lived in a tool shed on the grounds and was routinely disrespected by Seybert.

Robert Loya, who also lived at the compound, said Carnes told him Seybert will "get what is coming to him."

The opening day of testimony in Carnes' trial was marked by a heightened state of security. Jurors entered and exited through a back entrance. Two sheriff's deputies were posted at the courthouse door. Two more inside kept watch on Carnes.

"We just want to make sure the trial goes according to schedule, and without interruptions," Sheriff's Lt. John Randazzo said.

At the time of his May 2009 arrest, Carnes had acted as administrator of a website that is a favored Internet stopping point for firearms and explosives enthusiasts. His online moniker was "nbk2000." Sheriff's investigators said the letters stood for "natural born killer."

Larder, the munitions expert scheduled to testify today, said he met Carnes through the website and was impressed by his knowledge of explosives. He said the two have stayed in touch through regular mail since Carnes' arrest.

Pulverulescent - 4-3-2012 at 08:09

I wonder what Larder called himself on RogueSci?
And will they be charging Carnes with 'carnage' I wonder . . . ?
(Hey! Don't mess with me, jurors ─ I can make Bg BombZ)

497 - 5-3-2012 at 15:40

The guy was not stupid enough to carry photos like that with him... Smells fishy to me.

Arthur Carnes

MadHatter - 7-3-2012 at 19:57

I spoke with Art from 9:45 to 10:00 PM EST, this evening. Closing arguments begin tomorrow.
There are no angels in this trial - the defendant, the victim, and the witnesses all have served
time. A lot of inconsistencies in the witness testimony also. I agree with 497 about the
camera. Why would anybody want to keep photos of a crime he/she committed ? The
assertion that Art killed Seybert because he had to move sounds ridiculous on its face. I'll
post again when I find out more.

froot - 7-3-2012 at 23:12

Quote:
and he dumped the body parts in a creek on the farm."


If that's true then the person that was that sloppy was possibly psychologically skewed enough to have photos of the deed on his camera too.

gnitseretni - 8-3-2012 at 04:03

If he really did kill that guy for whatever reason other than self defense or to save someone else's life, than let him rot in jail!

Bot0nist - 8-3-2012 at 06:00

Agree, violence is deplorable in most cases, and this is one of the most disturbing things I've read. Until now I did not know about the NBK event. Some sick shit, IMO.

froot - 8-3-2012 at 06:37

Yea I was lucky enough to have been on the receiving end of his online personality. You get internet egotists but this guy was way beyond that. This is a trial about a unique case and from what little experience I've had with him I would consider him unique too, be there a connection between the two or not.

roguesci.org

MadHatter - 8-3-2012 at 11:35

I just noticed that the domain has expired. Coincidence with this trial ? What was there
never had the forum back up and running anyway.

S.C. Wack - 8-3-2012 at 20:44

Thursday, Mar. 08, 2012
Sacto 911: Dismemberment killing goes to the jury
By Andy Furillo
afurillo@sacbee.com

http://www.modbee.com/2012/03/08/2103705/sacto-911-dismember...

After closing arguments today, a Galt-area dismemberment murder case went to the jury.

"You hear about people who are pure evil," Deputy District Attorney Kevin Greene Greene told the Sacramento Superior Court jury. "You hear about people who are psychotic. You hear about people who are maniacal. You hear about people who are dangerous beyond one's imagination, beyond one's belief. But rarely in life does such a person come across your life, until now, with this defendant, Arthur Carnes."

Carnes, 40, is charged in the murder of Nov. 18, 2007, killing of Matthew Alan Seybert, 38, whose remains were found on a ranch off Stockton Boulevard near Galt.

Seybert had been shot in the head with an AK-47 assault rifle and stabbed 16 times. His head had been cut off and one of his legs also removed.

Greene displayed photographs of the killing and told jurors it was the work of a man a who had fashioned himself into a "natural born killer."

Arrested the next year in Canada, authorities there found a camera that contained photographs of Seybert drugged, shot and dismembered.

In his closing remarks to the jury today, Carnes confirmed that the gun used to shoot Seybert was his and that the camera contained the gruesome photographs. But he maintained that neither the shooting nor the photography was his doing.

Following the closing arguments, Judge Lloyd G. Connelly sent the jury out to begin its deliberations.

Carnes lived on the same rural property in Galt that Seybert had rented and was about to depart at the time of his death.

Greene said in his opening statement that Carnes killed Seybert because the victim's impending departure was going to leave the defendant with no place to go. Greene also suggested in his arguments today that robbery was a motive in the killing, that Carnes took off from the Galt property with Seybert's car, his credit cards, his bank card and his Rolex watch.

The prosecutor also said Seybert routinely referred to the computer-savvy Carnes, who had developed his own web site on chemical weapons, munitions and assorted other topics on warfare and mass destruction, as a "geek." Greene said the signs of torture on Seybert's body suggested that Carnes had tortured him to get back for being demeaned.

Carnes was arrested in Canada in 2008 and returned to the Sacramento area in 2009.

In his closing argument, Greene displayed portions of a manual in excess of 400 pages in which Carnes wrote about different ways to kill, maim and poison people with firearms, chemical weapons and mines. Entitled "Welcome to NBK 2000. Home of the Natural Born Killers of the 21st Century," the manual provided a gliimpse into the the mindset of the defendant, Greene said.

"Arthur Carnes' mentality is of a killer," the prosecutor said. "Arthur Carnes' mentality is of a criminal. Arthur Carnes' mentality is of a person who likes to main. Arthur Carnes' mentality is of a person who likes to destroy. Arthur Carnes' mentality is of a person who cares nothing about human life, whether it is of a man, woman or child. Zero. Squat."

Carnes did not testify during the trial, but in his argument today, Carnes referred to his remarks at a pretrial hearing where he said that "numerous" people had access to his AK-47. He also said in the hearing that "I never knew that there were pictures on (his camera) of that nature."

As for his manual, Carnes did not deny the writings where he talked about killing children and blowing off their limbs and poisoning them by injecting chemical substances into Hershey's Kisses. Carnes said he wrote the manual in 2000.

"Can't a person change in 10 years?" he asked the jury.

Eliteforum - 9-3-2012 at 08:25

Those who doubt he did it really need castrating so you can't contaminate the rest of the world. Even a severely mentally retarded child could deduce who did it, and why.

He may have been able to gleam information from files downloaded off the Internet, and possibly put some of that into practice, but he was so far up his own arse it's unreal.

I've also put the domain on backorder (roguesci.org) for a laugh.

[Edited on 9-3-2012 by Eliteforum]

Telephone Call From Art

MadHatter - 11-3-2012 at 12:22

I spoke with him yesterday evening from 4:37 to 4:52 PM. This case is getting more
interesting. Art is convinced he'll be railroaded given his very controversial opinions.
The prosecutor is hoping for a slam dunk. But the jury has been out for 2 business days
now. Perhaps, I'll read something in The Sacramento Bee online tomorrow. I'll keep
you posted.

http://www.sacbee.com

Guilty.

pedrovecchio - 12-3-2012 at 20:16

Last news about nbk2000: guilty.

http://www.news10.net/news/article/183813/2/Jury-returns-gui...

The link has a photo of nbk2000, a video of himself in court, and the following text.

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Jury returns guilty verdict in Galt man's dismemberment murder

8:32 PM, Mar 12, 2012

Written by C. Johnson

SACRAMENTO, CA - A man accused of shooting, stabbing and dismembering his Galt-area landlord more than four years ago was found guilty of first-degree murder by a Sacramento jury Monday.

Arthur Carnes IV was arrested in Canada where authorities found him nearly two months after the Nov. 18, 2007 murder of 41-year-old Matthew Seybert. Authorities began investigating the lawn mower repairman's disappearance when his mother reported she found blood and other suspicious items in his house.

Seybert's remains were found in Laguna Creek along the north end of his property east of Highway 99 and north of Highway 104 three weeks after the killing.

Carnes went missing about the same time as his victim. Detectives learned Seybert's ATM card was used several times between Sacramento County and the Canadian border after Seybert's disappearance. Carnes was also found guilty of identity theft.

One juror described the court testimony as "pretty intense, gruesome." She described the defendant as a "psychopath" and "arrogant" who "showed no emotion."

"Couldn't read anything from him," the juror said.

Sentencing for Carnes was set for April 11 in Sacramento Superior Court. Per the extradition agreement made with prosecutors, the defendant faces 25 years to life in prison.

News10/KXTV

[Edited on 13-3-2012 by pedrovecchio]

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