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cant be real

leftright - 27-10-2009 at 16:46

http://www.hottdealss.com/Red%20phosphorus.html

is this foreal?

mr.crow - 27-10-2009 at 17:20

Well they are located in Lithuania. I think I have seen some of their products on Ebay

RP is legal in Europe IIRC, but don't try and get it shipped to North America!!!

a_bab - 27-10-2009 at 22:35

Even so, RP ordering was the main reason for which lots of european houses (Germany, GB) were raided.

It looks like a sting to me.

woelen - 27-10-2009 at 23:48

It is real. This guy also is active on eBay, some time ago I posted a message in Whimsy about sexy iodine. His price for red P is insanely high, just 20 grams for such a high price! His price for iodine also is on the high side, but not excessively high. Probably he has such a high price for red P because he knows how hard this is to obtain for most people.

The raiding of houses in Germany was not primarily because of ordering of red P. Most of the raided people (probably even more than 95% of them) did not have any red P. They were raided because of ordering oxidizers like HNO3, KNO3, H2O2 or because of ordering GBL. Some people were even raided while they only ordered 1 liter of 30% H2O2 and 1 liter of 65% HNO3.

JohnWW - 28-10-2009 at 05:29

Where does that chap in Lithuania get his bulk supplies of red P and I from? Does he make the stuff himself, e.g. by reducing phosphates or P2O5, and by electrolysis of a molten iodide?

I wonder if those Pigs in Germany who raided the houses of innocent people who bought chemicals, mostly oxidizers, were the children or grandchildren of Gestapo agents from the Nazi era. It sounds like their sort of work.

[Edited on 28-10-09 by JohnWW]

mr.crow - 28-10-2009 at 05:50

Wow, you brought Nazis into this. Godwin's Law

Contrabasso - 28-10-2009 at 06:32

The guy is for real! He does sell the stuff, you buy and ship it at your own peril!

The Soviet Union had a massive science industry IMO (and only that) some of the supplies coming out of Poland, Lithuania and Latvia may possibly be coming over the Russian border for harder currency.

hissingnoise - 28-10-2009 at 06:42

Quote: Originally posted by JohnWW

I wonder if those Pigs in Germany who raided the houses of innocent people who bought chemicals, mostly oxidizers, were the children or grandchildren of Gestapo agents from the Nazi era. It sounds like their sort of work.

My browser blocked that site, but I think it's the one with those 'terrible' porn girls: I still resisted the tempation to 'override', however.
Netporn.nl is safer anyway. . .
Sometimes John, you go over the top with the anti-cop stuff and I love it because I'm not a fan of LE either.
Have to say though, your liberal use of the $ pisses off some of the more, er, sensitive members but I just find myself having a good chuckle.
Whatever you do---don't change a thing.

entropy51 - 28-10-2009 at 06:52

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Whatever you do---don't change a thing.

I was taught that these sorts of things are usually irreversibly progressive, even with treatment.

hissingnoise - 28-10-2009 at 07:10

Even better. . .

Neo-6 - 28-10-2009 at 10:58

Quote: Originally posted by JohnWW

Where does that chap in Lithuania get his bulk supplies of red P and I from? Does he make the stuff himself, e.g. by reducing phosphates or P2O5, and by electrolysis of a molten iodide?

My guess is he just buys it.It may sound unbelievable but chemicals arent really that controlled in east block countries.Of course there are laws and stuff, but in real life, for example russia - everything is over the counter.

And when i say everything i mean everything

You can buy 300 000 volt tazer for 15€, half liter bottle of quality vodka is 3 €.GP-5 gas mask are 5,5 € per piece with new filter.As for chemicals , pharmacies will sell you anything from viagra to distilled water.

psychokinetic - 28-10-2009 at 11:46

Indeed, when you're so used to something being a certain way, it's hard to imagine a place where it's free-er.
Still not going to the site, though

woelen - 28-10-2009 at 13:01

Quote: Originally posted by JohnWW

Where does that chap in Lithuania get his bulk supplies of red P and I from? Does he make the stuff himself, e.g. by reducing phosphates or P2O5, and by electrolysis of a molten iodide?

I wonder if those Pigs in Germany who raided the houses of innocent people who bought chemicals, mostly oxidizers, were the children or grandchildren of Gestapo agents from the Nazi era. It sounds like their sort of work.

[Edited on 28-10-09 by JohnWW]

Iodine is not a problem at all in the EU. I have quite a few sources for iodine where I live. The only problem with iodine is that it is fairly expensive, but otherwise it is not really special for me. If I need more and I am willing to spend the money, then I just order it, no hassle, no paperwork.
Red P is another matter. I still have a source for this, but things are getting harder on this. Two of my three sources for red P have disappeared in the last two years. So, I value my red P more and more. I still have well over 200 grams and I am happy with that.

[Edited on 28-10-09 by woelen]

hectic - 28-10-2009 at 14:38

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Wow, you brought Nazis into this. Godwin's Law

I wouldn't apply this 'law' here. I mean, what else can you say about a people who's government raids their citizens' homes for purchasing potassium nitrate (short of there being other substantial evidence of an illicit use)?

Magpie - 28-10-2009 at 15:41

Perhaps John feels that in his case anti-Godwin's Law applies. He who mentions Nazi's first wins.

12AX7 - 28-10-2009 at 19:47

Quote: Originally posted by entropy51

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Whatever you do---don't change a thing.

I was taught that these sorts of things are usually irreversibly progressive, even with treatment.

Are you sure some butyl lithium won't even deprotonate him?

Tim

Rich_Insane - 29-10-2009 at 08:05

Uh, Firefox calls this a reported attack site with scripting exploits and trojans....

Picric-A - 29-10-2009 at 08:11

jesus 67 dollars for half a litre of H2SO4.... u would ave to be insane to buy that..

devongrrl - 31-10-2009 at 06:33

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Are you sure some butyl lithium won't even deprotonate him?

Tim

You're going to have to face it , he's resistant to base

Sorry, I just couldn't resist it.

grndpndr - 31-10-2009 at 22:37

Quote: Originally posted by hectic

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Wow, you brought Nazis into this. Godwin's Law

I wouldnt take bets on what constitutes probable cause in the "land of the free" for that matter.

12AX7 - 1-11-2009 at 19:58

Quote: Originally posted by hectic

Quote:

Wow, you brought Nazis into this. Godwin's Law

Doesn't matter if it's applicable. Godwin's law.

http://xkcd.com/261/

History profs probably have a hard time with it too.

Tim

[Edited on 11-2-2009 by 12AX7]

watson.fawkes - 2-11-2009 at 07:09

Quote: Originally posted by hectic

You can reference the regime of King George III, whose abuses in the American colonies were more-or-less directly responsible for the United States Fourth Amendment, prohibiting search without warrant issued from probable cause.

Vogelzang - 24-11-2010 at 02:46

I'll have to research this Godwin's law. I found some examples where you would least expect.

Vogelzang - 24-11-2010 at 14:48

Not only are Einstein critics called cranks and crackpots, but they are often called Nazis, too. Godwin's law! See page 1 column 1 of this article. http://www.4shared.com/get/3QDYXfow/AmJPhys1988-p413-415.htm...

anotheronebitesthedust - 25-11-2010 at 05:55

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Where does that chap in Lithuania get his bulk supplies of red P and I from?

Likely a Lithuanian comany in order to avoid import fees, taxes, duties etc. (which can be a complete joke for many upstart and home businesses.

I know i've saidthis before, but when I was 15 I ordered 50kg of phosphorus from coasty.com for a few hundred bucks, and they even drove it to me because I didn't have a license I imagine a third world country would be even more accomodating and helpful. Afghanis probably deliver opium by camelback. Heh.

Shit, we've got it pretty easy here in the west, so why do we complain so much? I guess some people just can't help but to piss their lives away, not realizing all the opportunities there really are in the world.

Okay...end/rant

watson.fawkes - 25-11-2010 at 07:59

Quote: Originally posted by Vogelzang

Not only are Einstein critics called cranks and crackpots, but they are often called Nazis, too. Godwin's law! See page 1 column 1 of this article. http://www.4shared.com/get/3QDYXfow/AmJPhys1988-p413-415.htm...

From the above referenced paper, Am. J. Phys. 56 (5), May 1988:

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But von Soldner's calculation, though published in a major astronomical journal, was largely forgotten until it was ressurrected in 1921, in an attempt by Nazi sympathizers in Germany to discredit Einstein's "Jewish" theory of relativity.

This is the weakest possible evidence you might muster here, as the the critic in question was a registered member of Germany's National Socialist political party, the very definition of what it means to be a Nazi. The critic was in fact Philipp Lenard; the criticism itself is cited in the paper as footnote 6. If there's any doubt, the Wikipedia page states:

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He joined the National Socialist Party before it became politically necessary or popular to do so. [...] An advisor to Adolf Hitler, Lenard became Chief of Aryan physics under the Nazis.

Lenard did some of the original experimental work that led to Einstein's paper on the photoelectric effect.

arsphenamine - 25-11-2010 at 21:40

Quote: Originally posted by Vogelzang

Not only are Einstein critics called cranks and crackpots, but they are often called Nazis, too. Godwin's law!

Under the Reich, early supporters of the "jewish relativity theory" enjoyed their
share of derision but the character of the epithets was usually sexually oriented.

"Merkwürdigliebe" was a popular term of abuse.

Vogelzang - 26-11-2010 at 08:07

Like I said, some Einstein critics are called Nazis.

Renaissance Man - 28-11-2010 at 21:24

Why do all the threads here seem to lead to Nazis?

mr.crow - 29-11-2010 at 07:19

Godwin's Law:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.

MagicJigPipe - 29-11-2010 at 10:26

Can we please stop being obsessed with Godwin's Law?

And Vogelzang, even if your evidence was strong, what's your point? Is it: sometimes Einstein critics are called Nazis, therefore, anyone who calls an Einstein critic a Nazi does not have a valid argument against Einstein criticism? You can't do that!

And also, I hope this paper isn't part of your Einstein criticism because I don't see how this invalidates his theories at all. Such things are common in science.

Thanks, though, interesting read.