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plante1999 - 18-4-2011 at 14:27

it look to be beatiful metalic sodium , you have the same glove than my.

kuro96inlaila - 18-4-2011 at 14:38

Tons of nude sodium!:D

blogfast25 - 19-4-2011 at 01:39

Quote: Originally posted by NurdRage  
Yield is still shit, around ~10%. I want to get that to ~50% before i share it.


Yep, 10 % is a bt of a bummer: it may prove hard to get much beyond that, considering circumstances...

bfesser - 19-4-2011 at 09:15

Mg is exceedingly cheap and easy to come by. 10% Na yield <em>is</em> worth sharing.

m1tanker78 - 19-4-2011 at 11:25

Quote: Originally posted by bfesser  
Mg is exceedingly cheap and easy to come by. 10% Na yield <em>is</em> worth sharing.



Yes, 10% yield is better than 0%. For those in the US, Mg fire starter blocks are available at Wal-Fart, Harbor Freight and Academy, to name a few. I don't know what impurities they have but I just picked one up from HF for $2.49 (though, not for Na production)...

EDIT: It weighs 40g including the flint that's glued to the side (I can't remove it w/o breaking it).



Tom

[Edited on 4-19-2011 by m1tanker78]

Wizzard - 19-4-2011 at 11:28

I get all my Mg from these, and laptop frames :) Pure enough for me.

Bot0nist - 19-4-2011 at 19:37

Crude TNP that was laid to dry near an open beaker of of aqueous NH<sub>3</sub>. Suspected formation of ammonium picrate. Sample was pure yellow the night before, but bright red crystals can be observed on the side near the beaker today. A beautiful surprise.


kuro96inlaila - 22-4-2011 at 09:44

Gold leaf suspended in water extracted from computer processor:



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m1tanker78 - 22-4-2011 at 16:05

Macro shots with a cell phone...

Unknown carbon compound that begins life as glossy planar flakes and (presumably) picks up moisture from the air and recrystallizes into a glassy needle structure.

A small chunk broken off the block:



It looks like glass but is composed of many smaller 'fibers' that run parallel to each other. It's times like these I wish for a microscope:



And finally, a small cluster ~8mm tall. It took a steady hand to pull this one off:



Tom

hkparker - 22-4-2011 at 16:49

Some pretty pictures of bismuth crystals I made my friend took. Too large to post in the forum.
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<a target="tab" href="http://www.sciencemadness.org/scipics/bismuthcrystals1.JPG">Picture 1</a><br>
<a target="tab" href="http://www.sciencemadness.org/scipics/bismuthcrystals2.JPG">Picture 2</a><br>
<a target="tab" href="http://www.sciencemadness.org/scipics/bismuthcrystals3.JPG">Picture3</a>

NurdRage - 23-4-2011 at 10:19

Not a picture, but a video of gallium destroying a coke can:

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blogfast25 - 23-4-2011 at 11:40

Interesting...

NurdRage - 23-4-2011 at 22:06

thanks

mr.crow - 24-4-2011 at 08:49

Excellent use of time lapse photography. I'm amazed the gallium absorbed so quickly, thought it was supposed to be a solid!

sternman318 - 24-4-2011 at 18:17

The first picture is some crystals of NaNO3
The second is of some copper being dissolved. I added some acetic acid, dumped some sodium chloride right in the middle, then poured in some hydrogen peroxide and let it work its magic. Its like a lagoon :) By the way, those are the actual colors-even though the copper looks dull.

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[Edited on 25-4-2011 by sternman318]

Organic metal salts

Boffis - 10-5-2011 at 08:51

Hi I'm interested in organic anions that form crystalline metals salts. Check these out, they are the barium and strontium salts of alloxan 5 oxime;

Both the violet fishtail twins and the pink coral like material are barium salts but I don't yet know what the difference is.
Strontium forms crimson blades and small brick red balls in the same fashion.

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Rogeryermaw - 18-5-2011 at 19:32

here is a rare look at sulfur naturally occurring in a volcanic steam vent from Kilauea in Hawaii on the Big Island.

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although of questionable legality i could not help taking a sample...

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sorry i should have put this on too. close up of the crystals. gorgeous long shiny needles, look how the light glints off the surface...

[Edited on 20-5-2011 by Rogeryermaw]

blogfast25 - 26-5-2011 at 11:43

Quote: Originally posted by Megamarko94  
some aluminium chloride hexahydrate.....



[Edited on 26-5-2011 by Megamarko94]


Very pretty but I think you mean ferric chloride hexahydrate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron(III)_chloride

AlCl3 cannot be isolated as a hydrate.

DJF90 - 26-5-2011 at 12:22

Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25  

AlCl3 cannot be isolated as a hydrate.


Way off the mark there...

[Edited on 26-5-2011 by DJF90]

blogfast25 - 26-5-2011 at 12:33

Your product must be seriously contaminated with FeCl3.6H2O. The Al3+ ion, hydrated or not is colourless. See also most Al salts...

Your contamination may come from technical HCl or from your reactor.

Megamarko94 - 26-5-2011 at 13:16

you are right i did some research and my HCl was very contaminated....
i tryed again with lab grade HCl and i got white cristals...

blogfast25 - 26-5-2011 at 13:25

I'm a bit surprised one can crystallise the hydrate of AlCl3 at all, I'd have expected it to more or less completely hydrolyse. Live and learn!

Try washing your crystals with pure acetone: FeCl3 is highly soluble in it. I've done this with ZrOCl2.8H2O. Worked very well. But they won't be so pretty anymore! :(

#maverick# - 26-5-2011 at 13:27

first one some potassium nitrate crystals gotta love that
and second is potassium chlorate with a bit of permanganate contamination, used a MnO2 electrode and for got to apply an electrolitic layer of MnO2
taken with an iphone wish i had a better camera

<img src="http://i55.tinypic.com/i5w0up.jpg" width="800" />



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[Edited on 7/7/13 by bfesser]

Copper(II) chloride

LanthanumK - 26-5-2011 at 16:16

Here is a shrunk image of some copper(II) chloride crystals I grew using the CuO + HCl method.

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Cobalt chloride (2).JPG - 106kB Cobalt(II) borate.JPG - 46kB Cobalt(II) phosphate.JPG - 44kB Cobalt(II) silicate.JPG - 87kB

Here are some pictures of cobalt compounds I synthesized for the purpose of photography. They are some of the more colorful compounds I photographed.

[Edited on 27-5-2011 by LanthanumK]

[Edited on 27-5-2011 by LanthanumK]

Megamarko94 - 27-5-2011 at 08:52

FeCl3 cristals....

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mr.crow - 27-5-2011 at 09:35

Awesome, keep up the pretty pictures!

blogfast25 - 27-5-2011 at 09:41

Quote: Originally posted by Megamarko94  
FeCl3 cristals....


Funny, that. Now your FeCl3.6H2O looks much darker than mine:



Yours looks a bit hydrolysed…


[Edited on 27-5-2011 by blogfast25]

MrHomeScientist - 27-5-2011 at 10:09

Quote: Originally posted by LanthanumK  
Here are some pictures of cobalt compounds I synthesized for the purpose of photography. They are some of the more colorful compounds I photographed.


What compound is the one on the left? Really nice granular crystals, and the deep red is beautiful!

Megamarko94 - 27-5-2011 at 10:39

my fecl3 was a bit to long in a desicator...

Megamarko94 - 27-5-2011 at 10:43

Quote: Originally posted by MrHomeScientist  
Quote: Originally posted by LanthanumK  
Here are some pictures of cobalt compounds I synthesized for the purpose of photography. They are some of the more colorful compounds I photographed.


What compound is the one on the left? Really nice granular crystals, and the deep red is beautiful!


i think its cobalt (II) chloride hexahydrate...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt%28II%29_chloride

blogfast25 - 27-5-2011 at 12:10

Not a very sharp shot: phthalic acid needle-like crystals obtained by re-crystallisation of crude phthalic acid, now sitting in an ice bath. The phthalic acid was obtained by alkali hydrolysis of di (2-ethylhexyl) phthalate (commonly: DOP) and subsequent neutralisation of dipotassium phthalate. The DOP was extracted from vinyl (pPVC) gloves). These took several hours to materialise:



Diameter of outer circle about 5 cm.

[Edited on 27-5-2011 by blogfast25]

LanthanumK - 27-5-2011 at 12:44

Here are more pictures. Many of my other pictures cannot be uploaded though because of the 800 pixel limit.

Cuprous oxide microcrystalline 3.JPG - 92kB Manganese(II) chloride (2).JPG - 62kB Nickel carbonate (1).JPG - 80kB

blogfast25 - 28-5-2011 at 05:13

And these are?

DJF90 - 28-5-2011 at 08:52

If you place the cursor over the image then it tells you...

LanthanumK - 28-5-2011 at 11:05

Sorry if I wasn't clear. :)

nezza - 28-5-2011 at 14:08

Hi Here are a few pretty coloured materials

1. Mercuric iodide
2. Stannic iodide in cyclohexane
3. Cobalt Thiocyanate in acetone
4. Not pretty, but some ampouled sodium I made years ago.

Mercuric iodide.jpg - 124kB Stannic iodide in cyclohexane.jpg - 57kB Cobalt Thiocyanate in acetone.jpg - 58kB IMG_3483.jpg - 96kB

Mixell - 28-5-2011 at 15:08

Stannic iodide (SnI4)? Or stannous iodide (SnI2)? Because stannic iodide is orange, and the stannous one is usually red.

Lambda-Eyde - 28-5-2011 at 15:12

I'm guessing it's tin(II) iodide, considering that tin(IV) iodide is readily soluble in apolar solvents such as cyclohexane.

Edit: I see that nezza said it's stannic in his post. Now I'm not sure any more.

[Edited on 28-5-2011 by Lambda-Eyde]

condennnsa - 2-6-2011 at 08:59

I don't know where to post this and don't want to open a new thread, also the crystals are quite pretty.
I added 200ml 35-40 % H2SO4 , 200 ml water and 100g KNO3 to a 2L beaker and 135 g copper wire.
After the vigorous reaction stopped, which gave off large amounts of NO2 gas, and the solution cooled these crystals formed
And I'll be damned, these look nothing like copper sulfate crystals! even though they're blue, as you can see, they're sky blue, not the well know copper sulfate blue. And I have seen and grown copper sulfate crystals many times, these are a totally different color! Could it be a double salt?

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DJF90 - 2-6-2011 at 09:22

Its normal for the different salts to have different colours. Copper (II) acetate is also different, being a darker blue/green.

Squall181 - 2-6-2011 at 10:33

Copper Nitrate Crystals in a Beaker
Iron(II) Oxalate, KMnO4, Copper Carbonate
Copper Crystals

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blogfast25 - 2-6-2011 at 12:09

Quote: Originally posted by condennnsa  
I don't know where to post this and don't want to open a new thread, also the crystals are quite pretty.
I added 200ml 35-40 % H2SO4 , 200 ml water and 100g KNO3 to a 2L beaker and 135 g copper wire.
After the vigorous reaction stopped, which gave off large amounts of NO2 gas, and the solution cooled these crystals formed
And I'll be damned, these look nothing like copper sulfate crystals! even though they're blue, as you can see, they're sky blue, not the well know copper sulfate blue. And I have seen and grown copper sulfate crystals many times, these are a totally different color! Could it be a double salt?


Did you check whether it was effectively copper sulphate? Test with CaCl2 for instance.

Try and recrystallise a small amount?

MrHomeScientist - 2-6-2011 at 12:44

Quote: Originally posted by condennnsa  
I don't know where to post this and don't want to open a new thread, also the crystals are quite pretty.
I added 200ml 35-40 % H2SO4 , 200 ml water and 100g KNO3 to a 2L beaker and 135 g copper wire.
After the vigorous reaction stopped, which gave off large amounts of NO2 gas, and the solution cooled these crystals formed
And I'll be damned, these look nothing like copper sulfate crystals! even though they're blue, as you can see, they're sky blue, not the well know copper sulfate blue. And I have seen and grown copper sulfate crystals many times, these are a totally different color! Could it be a double salt


Perhaps it's copper nitrate? That's how you make nitric acid after all, by combining sulfuric acid and a nitrate salt. Since you didn't have concentrated sulfuric there probably wasn't a lot of this produced, but the color and shape of your crystals looks a bit like copper nitrate to me.

Jor - 2-6-2011 at 13:57

No it's likely to be K2SO4 or KHSO4, wich looks blue due to some cocrystallised CuSO4.

[Edited on 2-6-2011 by Jor]

condennnsa - 2-6-2011 at 14:37

Well, I've since done more reading around the internet, and I think that this is indeed a double sulfate of copper and potassium. Some stuff I found:

http://dalspace.library.dal.ca/bitstream/handle/10222/12491/...

This is apparently a paper from 1898, they give a thorough preparation of this salt, as well as an analysis, which they say is CuK2(SO4)2 * 6H2O.

http://books.google.com/books?id=HKgMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA529&a...

Britannica also mentions this double salt :
" Cupric sulphate crystallises with 5 molecules of water, but it forms a double sulphate with potassium sulphate, CuK2(SO4)2 . 6H2O, isomorphous with the corresponding zinc and magnesium salts.

I find finds like this very exciting , even though i'm just an amateur who likes to read this and that about chemistry and I don't really understand many of the more advanced underlying phenomena, the sight of these beautiful crystals bring me lots of joy. Copper has such a rich chemistry.

I initially intended to use this procedure to precipitate blue undecomposed Cu(OH)2, but now I think I'll keep the double salt.

[Edited on 2-6-2011 by condennnsa]

Update - I added 100ml more 35-40% H2SO4 and 100g KNO3 and 300ml water to dissolve more of the copper, I heated the solution to get the reaction going. After a long time it , there is not much left of the copper wire, and upon cooling down the same crystals formed this time more numerous and smaller:

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-Being the idiot that I am, I forgot to change the white balance on my camera, it was set for daylight, that's why the crystals appear more greenish. In fact they're the same color as in the previous pictures.



[Edited on 2-6-2011 by condennnsa]

blogfast25 - 3-6-2011 at 05:09

Nice bit of Netresearch there, Condenssa. It looks like the double salt CuK<sub>2</sub>(SO<sub>4</sub>;)<sub>2</sub>.6H<sub>2</sub>O may well be the compound you stumbled upon. It would be nice to have analytical certainty though. Determining the amount of crystal water would be one element of analysis that could confirm (or infirm) the hypothesis that your stuff is indeed CuK<sub>2</sub>(SO<sub>4</sub>;)<sub>2</sub>.6H<sub>2</sub>O. For this, weight accurately some of the dry hydrate crystals, then drive off the water by heating and weigh again. From the weight loss we could then determine if the hydrate water at least corresponds to the alleged formula.

Jor - 3-6-2011 at 13:13

:(:(:(

I was reducing a solution of (NH4)2PdCl6 (about 400mg Pd) in 25mL of 10-15% ammonia with hydrazine sulfate at 60-70C. A beautiful palladium mirror formed, but I had no camera at hand. Shame, would have been a nice picture!

Quite a nice day of experimenting, I also harvested about 2 grams of (NH4)2PtCl6 :) , made 5 grams of pure white needles of p-bromoacetanilide and am currently making bromobenzene by rxn of KBrO3 in dil. H2SO4 with benzene.

[Edited on 3-6-2011 by Jor]

woelen - 4-6-2011 at 08:29

Quote: Originally posted by Squall181  
Copper Nitrate Crystals in a Beaker
Iron(II) Oxalate, KMnO4, Copper Carbonate
Copper Crystals

These copper crystals are awesome! How did you do that? Did you make them by means of electrolysis? Please provide us with details about the process.

Squall181 - 4-6-2011 at 12:20

@ Woelen Yes those where made by electrolysis of copper sulfate solution with a copper anode and copper cathode.

Those crystals where grown in the course of a week with a pretty dilute solution of copper sulfate.
A 12 volt adapter that could supply 1 amp of current was used; I did not have a multimeter on hand to take exact measurements.

The rig is pretty simple to build: a 20 oz soda bottle is taken and the top cut off, then the top is inverted back into the bottom piece of the bottle and taped with the cathode down in the bottom of the bottle. Next a filter is made using paper towel or something similar and is placed into the inverted cone. A stiff piece of wire is used at the top as a connection from which a copper anode is hung. The power is switched on and you have to be really patient, because it is a slow process, but I think if you use a more concentrated solution it should be faster.

Here is a link to where I got the idea: http://youtu.be/kq1W-QdMsWQ
Skip to the middle to see the how the cell is constructed.

Rogeryermaw - 7-6-2011 at 14:40

NH4NO3 recrystallized001.jpg - 31kB

this is NH4NO3 recrystallized from cold packs.

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=16374&...

Magpie - 11-6-2011 at 10:30

SO3 crystals. Beautiful but treacherous!



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garage chemist - 11-6-2011 at 10:55

These look great! Reminds me of my own experiments.
It does look a bit like white mold when the bottom of a flask is covered in crystallized SO3, with all these fine hairlike needles.

Megamarko94 - 11-6-2011 at 11:27

copper nitrate cristals....

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barley81 - 12-6-2011 at 11:16

A few drops of iodine tincture in a flask with mineral oil and water.

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Xenomorph - 13-6-2011 at 10:35

I was makeing some tetraammine copper (II) sulfate for furteher experiments with tetraammine copper salts... and was amazed that cystals grew so beautiful and large!!!

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Wizzard - 13-6-2011 at 11:36

Wow, Xeno- Those are beautiful!

Rogeryermaw - 13-6-2011 at 14:10

Quote: Originally posted by barley81  
A few drops of iodine tincture in a flask with mineral oil and water.



i always loved that about iodine. different solvents different colors. and during sublimation the most intense purple vapor!

blogfast25 - 14-6-2011 at 06:31

Quote: Originally posted by Xenomorph  
I was makeing some tetraammine copper (II) sulfate for furteher experiments with tetraammine copper salts... and was amazed that cystals grew so beautiful and large!!!



Fantastic: a more detailed write up would be welcome here :)

Formatik - 14-6-2011 at 07:42

Quote: Originally posted by Jor  
:(:(:(

I was reducing a solution of (NH4)2PdCl6 (about 400mg Pd) in 25mL of 10-15% ammonia with hydrazine sulfate at 60-70C. A beautiful palladium mirror formed, but I had no camera at hand. Shame, would have been a nice picture!


I did something similar with a gold solution I formed a gold mirror in a flask, turning the bottom half of the flask (maybe ~25mL) into gold by deposition of gold dust on the walls (a black powder when it was rubbed off). I didn't take a picture either. :(

mr.crow - 14-6-2011 at 09:13

A gold mirror flask would be amazing! I have a silver mirrored Erlenmeyer

Maybe I can find a picture with Iodine vapor in it. My favorite!

Ozone - 15-6-2011 at 05:22

Oleic acid-capped cadmium selenide quantum dots suspended in toluene. Based on the UV-absorbance edge (558 nm), the Brus equation indicates that the core-crystals are approximately 2.78 nm in diameter.

Cheers,

O3

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Arthur Dent - 15-6-2011 at 05:53

Quote: Originally posted by Ozone  
Oleic acid-capped cadmium selenide quantum dots suspended in toluene...


Nice picture! I"m sure that there are many interesting inorganic compounds that would look awesome under UV. I'll have to pull out mu old UV lamp out! I see that you have some Pyrex Hach glassware. Do you have the volatile compounds distillation apparatus?

Hach Distillation Apparatus

I have two complete kits (minus hotplate) and would be willing to part with one, would trade for other glassware. ;)

Robert

[Edited on 15-6-2011 by Arthur Dent]

Xenomorph - 15-6-2011 at 06:54

Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25  
Quote: Originally posted by Xenomorph  
I was makeing some tetraammine copper (II) sulfate for furteher experiments with tetraammine copper salts... and was amazed that cystals grew so beautiful and large!!!



Fantastic: a more detailed write up would be welcome here :)


Just left hot and really concentrated solution overnight at room temperature (~8 hours) in round-bottom flask where I made it (added excess of 25% ammonia to hot saturated solution of CuSO4*5H2O and heated until all solid dissolved). There were no other small crystals, only these large ones in picture...

[Edited on 15-6-2011 by Xenomorph]

blogfast25 - 15-6-2011 at 09:18

Thanks.

Xenomorph - 15-6-2011 at 15:55

Here is electrochemically crystalized silver. I did this few months ago by using electrodes of ~80%Ag/20%Cu alloy and AgNO3 electrolyte. I dont remember exact voltage...

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LanthanumK - 16-6-2011 at 03:02

Here is what I call the copper rainbow, even though the yellow is sort of yellow-green.

Cuprous oxide microcrystalline 2.JPG - 38kB CuCl2 equilibrium.JPG - 37kB Tetramminecopper sulfate.JPG - 79kB

Copper(I) oxide.JPG - 162kB

[Edited on 16-6-2011 by LanthanumK]

sternman318 - 16-6-2011 at 17:03

More physics than chemistry, I suppose, but here is my homemade Lichtenberg figure, or static discharge on powdered Zn on a ziploc bag

[Edited on 17-6-2011 by sternman318]

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mr.crow - 18-6-2011 at 10:53

Finally found a picture of the home made iodine. So sparkly!


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ItalianChemist - 19-6-2011 at 09:13

1) copper coin in 65% nitric acid
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2) fluorescein (sodium salt) solution under UV lamp
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3)Rhodamine B solution under UV
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spotlightman1234 - 27-6-2011 at 00:10

I have a decent picture of some tetraamine copper(II)nitrate, but I am not familiar on how to post an image... any help? sorry for the noob questions :(.

LanthanumK - 27-6-2011 at 02:59

Click "Edit" on your post. Below the typing screen you will see photo uploading slots. Do not use the "Quick Reply" on the bottom; it does not have all of the features.

spotlightman1234 - 27-6-2011 at 07:55

Thank you. For your kindness here is a picture of some tetraamine copper(II)nitrate I made a few months ago.

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Arthur Dent - 28-6-2011 at 06:45

I tried my hand at the macro-photography option of my cam to get this reflected image of
the beatiful structure of Copper Sulphate crystals that have grown in a supersaturated
solution. The original single crystal that was grown on a suspended copper wire in the
solution, was much bigger but sadly, these structures are so fragile that they crumble
very easily.



Robert

plastics - 28-6-2011 at 08:30

Homemade glow stick!

TCPO, TCP and 9,10-diphenylanthracene (fluorescent dye) all synthesised by yours truly

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ItalianChemist - 28-6-2011 at 10:24

Very nice! I've done it with rhodamine B
Does diphenyl oxalate give the same light?

strontiumred - 2-7-2011 at 08:30

Here is some blue sodium hypomanganate, Na3MnO4.
Thanks to Mixell for the method.

12NaOH + 4MnO2 + O2 ---> 4Na3MnO4 + 6H2O.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/strontiumred/5894390500/" title="Hypomanganate.jpg by strontiumred, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5151/5894390500_c959d89115.jpg" width="450" height="434" alt="Hypomanganate.jpg"></a>

[Edited on 2-7-2011 by strontiumred]

[Edited on 2-7-2011 by strontiumred]

[Edited on 2-7-2011 by strontiumred]

spotlightman1234 - 2-7-2011 at 11:54

Quote: Originally posted by strontiumred  
Here is some blue sodium hypomanganate, Na3MnO4.
Thanks to Mixell for the method.

12NaOH + 4MnO2 + O2 ---> 4Na3MnO4 + 6H2O.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/strontiumred/5894390500/" title="Hypomanganate.jpg by strontiumred, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5151/5894390500_c959d89115.jpg" width="450" height="434" alt="Hypomanganate.jpg"></a>

[Edited on 2-7-2011 by strontiumred]

[Edited on 2-7-2011 by strontiumred]

[Edited on 2-7-2011 by strontiumred]
Wow, what a beautiful compound! could you please send a link to the thread with the synthesis, or tell me how to make it?

Xenomorph - 2-7-2011 at 12:50

Here is some nitroguanidine I made. First one is impure stuff, second one is recrystalized from boilig water. I will use it to make aminoguanidine, but I am quite busy right now. Is it safe to store this in dry form? I have read this is pretty insensitive and also I have read this is stored with 20% water not in dry form.

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ItalianChemist - 3-7-2011 at 03:19

this is my sodium hypomanganate(V), obtained from sodium hydroxide and MnO2

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strontiumred - 3-7-2011 at 08:29

Hi,

Mixell suggested this method:
Quote:

Mix (very well) molar amounts ( 3:1 ratio) of NaOH (prills or powder) with a finely divided manganese dioxide powder, I used 10-15 grams of NaOH. Put it all in a beaker and mix well. Put it on a hotplate and heat the hotplate to about 300 degrees, so if you put a prill of NaOH directly on the hotplate- it will melt (but do not heat above that). Steer and divide possibly accumulating masses of matter every few minutes. Check every 10 min a small sample of the mix, when all of it will be blue (allow for a tiny bit of unreacted MO2 to remain, if they refuse to react, you can't win them all) switch off the hotplate and allow it to cool while stirring every 2-3 minutes, thats basically it. Be prepared for the fact that the bottom of the beaker will be slightly damaged. If all goes well- post some pictures, May be I will do the same in a few days.


I don't own a hotplate (yet) so I simply ground 350mg manganese dioxide and 550mg of sodium hydroxide together and heated over an alcohol lamp for about 15 seconds, removed for 5 seconds and continued like this for about 20 minutes or so. Obviously any glass will be attacked by the hydroxide so if you have a steel crucible that would produce better results.

One thing is you have to keep the solid totally dry. Any water formed must not be allowed to consense back into the mix as it will cause the following reaction. 2Na3MnO4 + 2H2O ---> Na2MnO4 +MnO2 + 4NaOH.

DerAlte has posted some great info in the permanganates thread including this:
MnOxy.doc

dann2 - 7-8-2011 at 18:25


Some Oxide spots on Nb by placing drops of KCl solution on a Nb sheet and connecting the sheet to + and putting a resistor end into the blob of KCl solution. (sheet an Anode, resistor end the Cathode).
The different colours are different thicknesses of Oxide. Better pictures on web if you look.
Dann2

nb.jpg - 67kB

[Edited on 8-8-2011 by dann2]

blogfast25 - 22-8-2011 at 10:05



Amethyst coloured Ferric alum ‘geode’ (about 600 g of ammonium ferric sulphate dodecahydrate)

Endimion17 - 22-8-2011 at 10:56

Wow, a pretty photo thread.

Here's my contribution:


WP I photographed few days ago.


ZnS phosphorescent dust.


Fresh iron sulfate heptahydrate.

some rupert drops against a polarizer
my first handmade liebig cooler - never actually tried how it works...
my hand grounding a germicidal tube - It was turned off, but connected to the mains ;)

blogfast25 - 23-8-2011 at 04:32

Love that zinc sulphide!




About 500 g (about 100 mm wide) of ferrous sulphate heptahydrate, recrystallised from garden grade (unknown mixture of hydrates with an anti-caking agent - bweurk!)


[Edited on 23-8-2011 by blogfast25]

MrHomeScientist - 23-8-2011 at 06:16

@Endimion17:
That FeSO4 looks identical to the masses of crystals I'm getting from my current project of dissolving Nd magnets in sulfuric acid, neat! Your WP is beautiful too.

Wizzard - 23-8-2011 at 06:33

Large quartz crystals, lab made :) One was traded to Theo Gray.


I can post more crystals of salts and stuff, I completely forgot I had a box of sealed samples. Also stuff from my friend Ivan at www.periodictable.ru :)

m1tanker78 - 23-8-2011 at 11:33

Not aesthetically pleasing but pretty, in the sense that I was able to observe and photo the fleeting existence of this complex.


Triiron Dodecacarbonyl - Fe3(CO)12

Tank

bob800 - 23-8-2011 at 16:47

Quote: Originally posted by Endimion17  

my first handmade liebig cooler - never actually tried how it works...


That's a really neat homemade condenser! Did you use an ordinary bunsen burner or blowtorch to melt the glass? I've been trying to make a crude Allihn condenser, but I can never get the bulbs to form... maybe my propane bunsen isn't hot enough.

blogfast25 - 24-8-2011 at 04:51

Quote: Originally posted by m1tanker78  
Triiron Dodecacarbonyl - Fe3(CO)12

Tank


Curious as to how you made that complex!

Lambda-Eyde - 24-8-2011 at 05:59

Benzoic acid crystals made from sodium benzoate and NaCl. Maybe some of you have seen it in the Wikipedia article..? ;)




Endimion17 - 24-8-2011 at 05:59

Quote: Originally posted by bob800  
That's a really neat homemade condenser! Did you use an ordinary bunsen burner or blowtorch to melt the glass? I've been trying to make a crude Allihn condenser, but I can never get the bulbs to form... maybe my propane bunsen isn't hot enough.

Thanks. Propane-butane blowtorch, no additional oxygen. Bunsen can't do it because flamerorking requires sharp flames. It's ok for sooty annealing, though.
It's very difficult to make because of several glass connections and lots of stresses, but now I understand the price of a professional cooler.
Your bunsen burner probably is hot enough. The problem is in heat delivery i.e. gas consumption. Some burners consume less gas, so their energy output is lower, though the temperature is sufficient.

@Wizzard: lab made? w00t!

[Edited on 24-8-2011 by Endimion17]

watson.fawkes - 24-8-2011 at 06:17

Quote: Originally posted by Wizzard  
Large quartz crystals, lab made
How do you make them?

blogfast25 - 24-8-2011 at 07:44

Quote: Originally posted by watson.fawkes  
Quote: Originally posted by Wizzard  
Large quartz crystals, lab made
How do you make them?


Isn't quartz supposed to be somewhat soluble in super saturated steam or something like that?

Otherwise, crystalisation from a melt?

Good luck with both in a home lab!

Wizzard - 24-8-2011 at 08:27

Oh, I didn't make them :) Somebody with a large autoclave did, and these were produced as the process was being learned, judging by the shapes.

White Yeti - 24-8-2011 at 11:50

Quote: Originally posted by Wizzard  
Large quartz crystals, lab made :) One was traded to Theo Gray.




That must be a really small $20 bill:P

sternman318 - 26-8-2011 at 14:19

Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25  
Quote: Originally posted by m1tanker78  
Triiron Dodecacarbonyl - Fe3(CO)12

Tank


Curious as to how you made that complex!


Ditto!

m1tanker78 - 27-8-2011 at 05:19

Quote: Originally posted by sternman318  
Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25  
Quote: Originally posted by m1tanker78  
Triiron Dodecacarbonyl - Fe3(CO)12

Tank


Curious as to how you made that complex!


Ditto!

In my case, it's the direct union of hot CO with hot, finely divided iron. Some of the pentacarbonyl converts to the [solid] dodecarbonyl which collects on and around the vent cracks.

Tank

White Yeti - 2-9-2011 at 14:27

You might find this pretty, or not.
This is an aluminium (air) cell, an exotic cell that not many people are familiar with. The anode is made of aluminium foil and the cathode is made of graphite rods from pencils. The extra twist is that I'm using Fenton's reagent as an oxidiser instead of air, which allows a much higher power output, as shown.
The white LED is hooked up to a joule thief because it needs 3V to operate while the cell only supplies half of that.
In my opinion, this surely beats a lemon battery :)
It doesn't show up very well on the camera, but the white LED is bright enough to give retina burns if you stare into it for a few seconds.

EK2.jpg - 243kB
If you would like a sense of scale, the glass jar is about 10cm tall (4 inches).

[Edited on 9-2-2011 by White Yeti]

Magpie - 2-9-2011 at 14:39

Nice! You could put 2 cells in series to get enough voltage. What's a joule thief?

White Yeti - 2-9-2011 at 15:49

I could have put two cells together to get enough voltage, but I was running out of chemicals at the time (I didn't even have any iron acetate catalyst!), I barely had enough to build one cell.

I'm restocking in peroxide tomorrow, I have some fresh iron salts I prepared this morning to play with, and I have some new pencils and aluminium foil.

A joule thief is a small electronic circuit used to boost voltage from a low voltage source. If you try to light a white LED with a fully charged AA battery, you will find out that it won't light up because it needs at least 3V in order to function. Lithium button cells have voltages exceeding 3V so they can light up white LEDs on their own, but all the other cells, including this one, cannot.

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