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Metallic citrates

Admagistr - 6-5-2023 at 08:46

Has anyone made metallic citrates?Do you have any photos,or interesting practical experience with it...?Copper citrate is decomposed by heat into self igniting copper powder,ferric citrate is reduced by UV radiation, undoubtedly wil be interesting chromium or aluminium citrate and other...





[Edited on 6-5-2023 by Admagistr]

mayko - 6-5-2023 at 14:44

There's this thread on copper citrate:

https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=62...

Bezaleel - 22-5-2023 at 14:38

Lion850 made some, IIRC. I recommend to search this forum on his posts.

Admagistr - 22-5-2023 at 19:37

Quote: Originally posted by Bezaleel  
Lion850 made some, IIRC. I recommend to search this forum on his posts.


Thanks,I'll check it out,Lion850 has quality posts.

Bedlasky - 23-5-2023 at 08:54

I played little bit with UV decomposition of Fe(III) citrate, tartrate and oxalate complexes. I just dissolved NH4Fe(SO4)2 and corresponding carboxylic acid in water, add little bit of H2SO4, put these solutions under UV and observe colour change. I found some article describing method for determination of carboxylates using this reaction. They meassured amount of CO2 with CO2 electrode.

https://cdnsciencepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1139/v78-401

Reaction of oxalate and Fe(III) under UV can be also used for determination of Fe(III). Fe(II) which formed under UV is titrated with standard Na3VO4 solution in acidic environment - vanadate doesn't react with excess of oxalate, unlike dichromate or permanganate which are usually used for titration of Fe2+.

KoiosPhoebus - 22-6-2023 at 09:03

An interesting idea is to add an monovalent cation to divalent metal citrates to increase their solubility. My understanding is that divalent metal citrates of the form M3(Citrate)2 have low solubility due to the formation of a polymer-like structure which is difficult to dissolve. Adding a monovalent cation like ammonium or potassium would instead form M1X1Citrate, and because citrate has low affinity for most monovalent cations, the double salt would dissociate into a negatively charged MCitrate- complex and X+ in solution.

For an example of what I mean - see this video where cupric ammonium citrate was prepared: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M460YRaBC6s

I've been meaning to try my hand at the preparation of cupric ammonium citrate for a while now, but it's slid down the priorities list.

Sir_Gawain - 22-6-2023 at 09:43

Ferric ammonium citrate is a light-sensitive compound used in making blueprints (the real kind). I've done the synthesis once and do not wish to repeat it because it involves concentrated ammonia and iron hydroxide, two chemicals I have an extreme dislike for. It also has to be carried out in the dark, for obvious reasons.

maldi-tof - 23-6-2023 at 02:12

I tried ferric citrate, but cero success on it.
If someone has some experience on that, i will try my best and report it back :D

SnailsAttack - 27-6-2023 at 21:38

I’ve been meaning to research metal citrates. Bought a large bag of citric acid last year.
The iron citrate behavior sounds interesting