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synthesis of white phosphorous from red phosphorous

ryan0713 - 28-9-2011 at 13:42

I there a way to obtain white phosphorous from red phosphorous? There is a video on how but this method can only produce a few milligrams. Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaUIFZCCHiE

Would this method be reproducible on larger scale, say, a few grams? My guess would be to make a retort and dip the neck into cold water. The red P would vaporize and condense as P4 on the neck right? This apparatus would be be put under inert atmosphere, of course, due to the pyrophoric nature of P4.

Would I succeed in using this method, or just blow myself up?

P.S.: I'm not going to use it make meth or something!

[Edited on 9-29-2011 by ryan0713]

Ozone - 28-9-2011 at 14:27

Using the search engine (labeled "search" below the firey symbol) and entering "making phosphorus" gives:
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=15046#...

There is a very large thread about distilling it on here, somewhere.

Try it (the search engine), sometime!

O3

woelen - 28-9-2011 at 23:31

I have a webpage and detailed write-up on this subject on my website. Just go to the chemistry experiments section and click on the element P in the periodic table chart.

plastics - 28-9-2011 at 23:36

I have used woelen's technique quite successfully. Please heed all the warnings - otherwise you can end up with quite a nasty fireball. White/yellow phosphorus, although an extremely interesting element, is treacherous, toxic and unforgiving!

Chemistry Alchemist - 29-9-2011 at 00:07

I made a video on making white phosphorus from red phosphorus, it was only a small scale reaction but i ficured a way to collect the WP and melt it off the the cellulose to make a mini ball of WP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2YrGvuygKU

ScienceSquirrel - 29-9-2011 at 03:58

Given the relative toxicity and flammability of red and white phosphorous I think it is better to make white phosphorous in small amounts as required in a home lab.

Endimion17 - 29-9-2011 at 10:57

Never use a large retort. Never ever. The bigger the retort, the more water will it suck on cooling. If it shatters, you could end up covered in burns.
Make a dozen 1-2 ml retorts and distill small batches, then melt them all together. The safest way.

ryan0713 - 1-10-2011 at 10:41

I was planning on making a steel retort. My plan for counteracting suck-back is to have helium running through the appuratus so there would be no differential in pressure while the gas expands. I know P4 can be set of by the heat of a human hand, so I make sure to take every precaution.

P.S Will the steel react with the p4?(nube here):)