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Expensive chemicals

White Yeti - 13-11-2011 at 11:22

Hello everyone,

I had trouble finding a category for this one, so I hope I chose correctly.

This question has been nagging me for a very long time and I can't seem to find a straight answer.

Is there a legal chemical the average Joe can make (or extract) that is highly sought after in the chemical industry and that does not require expensive machinery to be made?

I don't think there are many answers to this, because when a chemical in expensive, it is either difficult to manufacture, illegal or the precursors themselves are expensive.

I found some chemicals that could be made in a small mediocre lab with few chemicals that satisfy the requirements listed above. One of these chemicals is 1,2 ethane dithiol, where the profit margin can be over 100% when starting with ethylene glycol and H2S. Iron pentacarbonyl is another one, but the problem is that not many people would be willing to buy it and shipping costs would also be very high.

Any ideas?

The_Davster - 13-11-2011 at 12:22

look into prospecting and panning for gold

bbartlog - 13-11-2011 at 12:23

Just arguing from simple economics, I'd say no. Things that are easily made are cheap as a direct consequence. This is not to say that there might not be niches someone could exploit, but I think you would be looking at one of several types of situations:

- something that's heavily regulated (maybe toxic) but easy to make; maybe you would be able to make a few bucks due to lack of compliance costs before the EPA or whoever caught up with you.
- something that's really toxic, so that industry has a lot of costs associated with safety; maybe you would be able to make a few bucks before you had an unpleasant accident (carbonyl compounds seem to fall in this category)
- something where the market is really thin, due to lack of widespread demand. This might be the best bet, but of course you wouldn't sell much, and I expect that most people looking for an obscure chemical compound would want the assurance that comes with ordering from a major supplier.

Cloner - 13-11-2011 at 12:43

Quote: Originally posted by bbartlog

I expect that most people looking for an obscure chemical compound would want the assurance that comes with ordering from a major supplier.

this.

Custom synthesis has a market, but you have to be very skilled at what you do. I know guys who do just this sort of work. What they do COULD be done in my basement, most of the time. You will have to find a way to do routine chemical analysis, though. Also, you want to buy stuff from chemical supply houses.

497 - 13-11-2011 at 12:44

I agree it is a very interesting subject. You'd probably do better making chemicals that are commonly desired but only possible to acquire from a large chemical supplier. Trying to market things to people/organisations who have accounts with the big corporate suppliers would likely be impossible. There must be a substantial number of people out there who can't/won't buy from the big suppliers. I'm sure they'd be willing to pay a premium. You might have trouble competing with Chinese suppliers though... Shipping might also be a big problem.

If you enjoyed it enough, the pay wouldn't have to be that great to make it worthwhile. Trying to support yourself (especially living somewhere expensive) doing it would be very tough though.

[Edited on 13-11-2011 by 497]

White Yeti - 13-11-2011 at 13:04

Thanks for the feedback!
I know this is a controversial subject, I was prepared for the worst. Some chemicals step over from the legal side of things, into the black market.

One thing that I investigated a while ago was the possibility of extracting and selling essential oils from flowers, leaves and bark. A still is not difficult to construct and the oils themselves are quite expensive. But the profit margin is very small and it's only profitable when performed on a large scale.

One extract that would be pretty expensive would be sassafras extract. But there again, that would be crossing the line between the legal and the illegal -.-

Polverone - 13-11-2011 at 13:32

No, there is no easy-to-make chemical with high profit margins demanded in large quantity by industry. If you want to legally make money from independent chemical synthesis it is going to require chasing lots of smaller opportunities and will probably be very labor-intensive. I suggest reading Excuse Me Sir, Would You Like to Buy a Kilo of Isopropyl Bromide? to see how this worked 60 years ago. Like Mr. Gergel, you would need contacts with initial customers in industry or academia in addition to laboratory skills and hard work to break in to the business of supplying chemicals. Nobody is going to just order from your website if you have no reputation or word-of-mouth support.

If you live in an area that is geographically remote from major chemical suppliers, you may be able to find a niche in making and supplying certain useful chemicals that are difficult, expensive, or slow to ship. Our own member Leonid Lerner has written Small-Scale Synthesis of Laboratory Reagents with Reaction Modeling with an eye to these geographically constrained situations. You could do worse than to apply his instructions and supply the products.

New reagents are periodically introduced to the laboratory through journal publications and it is a while before any commercial supplier adds the reagent to their product line. You might keep an eye on journals and watch for any reagents that are popular enough to be cited repeatedly, stable enough to store, yet not currently available from major vendors.

Finally, you might look at the rare chemicals available through Pfaltz & Bauer or the Sigma-Aldrich Rare Chemical Library to get an idea of the wide variety of materials that people will pay for at least on occasion. But these chemicals are practically by definition ones that have no well-established use; it would be folly to make them now and hope that customers appear later.

I will repeat: in all of these situations, the hardest part initially will be in getting your first customer and establishing a good reputation. That's what distinguishes a viable business from puttering around for your own enjoyment.

bbartlog - 13-11-2011 at 15:04

Quote:

sassafras extract. But there again, that would be crossing the line between the legal and the illegal -.-

It's not illegal to sell sassafras oil (in the US). There are reporting requirements for larger quantities, though, and it wouldn't surprise me if someone who sold smaller quantities still got some attention from the authorities.
The other thing is that it's probably a pain in the ass. I have a dozen wooded acres east of my house where sassafras grows in abundance (mixed with various species of oak, chokecherry, beech, sycamore, and ash), and I've considered digging some roots and steam distilling them. However, the ground is mostly glacial till (gravelly and hard to dig), the roots would have to be dried and then finely divided somehow (turned to sawdust I guess), and then steam distillation would have to be done. There are other extractions I'd like to succeed with first (gallic acid from sumac and salicin from black willow) that are less labor-intensive.

woelen - 14-11-2011 at 00:34

The only thing which I can imagine which might make a small profit is making much wanted chemicals which are hard to obtain in the area where you live. Think of stuff like making KClO3 from KCl, making Br2 from NaBr, making KClO4 from KCl, I2 from KI, KIO3 from KI, etc. Such chemicals can be made at home and only require basic equipment and precursors. In certain places, where oxidizers and halogens are hard to obtain there might be people willing to pay a few bucks for 100 gram or so and then it might give you a small profit. Maybe enough to support your hobby, but not enough to have a living from.

Where I live, this is not an option. Stuff like KClO3, KClO4 and halogens can be purchased over here without too much hassle. The only difficult one is Br2.

mr.crow - 14-11-2011 at 08:30

Palladium catalysts are expensive as hell and sell in a few gram quantities.

Just buy some palladium metal for market value, then dissolve in aqua regia. You can boil it down with extra HCl to make PdCl2. Very easy! Then sell for 4x the price of the metal

There are many different palladium catalysts and if you make them in good quality you will get loyal customers. I read on a blog a long time ago that someone was complaining a catalyst from Sigma Aldrich being shit. I think its Tetrakis(triphenylphosphine)palladium(0)

fledarmus - 14-11-2011 at 09:11

There are some high-value, easily synthesized compounds in the organic world, but they are also low volume. Making a wide variety of useful synthetic intermediates having the same functional group - for example, heteroaromatic boronic acids with various substituents - can get you some interest from people interested in synthesizing libraries of compounds. These typically sell on the order of $50+/10 mg of material, delivered preweighed. You might also pick up some other useful compounds by watching the chemical literature - you will often find a paper saying that a new organic ligand makes some reaction work better, and the ligand is only a couple of steps to synthesize - somebody somewhere is probably interested in that reaction and would try the new catalyst if it was commercially available, but might not be willing to make his own. Also by following the biomedical literature - there are frequent reports of a "new class of inhibitors" of some enzyme or another, frequently characterized by one or two rather easy to synthesize compounds, that other research groups might be interested in testing in their own assays.

[Edited on 14-11-2011 by fledarmus]

drago57 - 14-11-2011 at 09:29

You can make buckyballs by passing an electric arc between 2 graphite electrodes in an inert atmosphere. You make a right old mess of sooty carbon, extract that with benzene and filter off the inert carbon to leave a purple solution of mostly C60 and C72 (I think, I'd have to go and dig out my old undergrad notes to check on this) and tiny amounts of higher fullerenes.

The hard part is purifying them, but it can be done with selective complexing reactions with different sized crown ethers. I'm sure there are other methods, I'm just not aware of them.

Just checked Sigma, C60 goes for £275/g

Cloner - 14-11-2011 at 16:07

Quote: Originally posted by fledarmus

There are some high-value, easily synthesized compounds in the organic world, but they are also low volume. Making a wide variety of useful synthetic intermediates having the same functional group - for example, heteroaromatic boronic acids with various substituents - can get you some interest from people interested in synthesizing libraries of compounds. These typically sell on the order of $50+/10 mg of material, delivered preweighed. You might also pick up some other useful compounds by watching the chemical literature - you will often find a paper saying that a new organic ligand makes some reaction work better, and the ligand is only a couple of steps to synthesize - somebody somewhere is probably interested in that reaction and would try the new catalyst if it was commercially available, but might not be willing to make his own. Also by following the biomedical literature - there are frequent reports of a "new class of inhibitors" of some enzyme or another, frequently characterized by one or two rather easy to synthesize compounds, that other research groups might be interested in testing in their own assays.

[Edited on 14-11-2011 by fledarmus]

too true. Good ideas may be skipped if a compound is unavailable, they absolutely don't want to spend two weeks synthesizing some ligand that MIGHT work, but would easily fork out 100 bucks for a small amount.

Furthermore, hmmm... the boronic acid angle is a good one, coupling reactions and all that. Same then with bromine on the right carbon. Perhaps organic semiconductor precursors. 3-hexylthiophene is expensive and useful yet atrociously stinky to make... Dess Martin reagent is good stuff that goes for a premium. Nickel(pdddf) catalysts.

[Edited on 15-11-2011 by Cloner]

Panache - 22-11-2011 at 03:59

given i'll never get around to making it and selling it you'll find innumerable customers for

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapefruit_mercaptan

if you can design a synth for the enantiomer required as well as a preseverative.

bquirky - 22-11-2011 at 04:25

why not find/invent a way to produce a difficult to manufacture expensive compound

then you can undercut the market and move some product.

I loved "excuse me sir...... bromide" Evan though it didn't end particularly well i actually found it quite inspiring in an odd way

Nicodem - 22-11-2011 at 09:45

What Cloner and fledarmus describe is true. You can easily make compounds that sell for > 10 k$/kg by just repeating prior art syntheses without any investment in research. This is what many Chinese companies currently do, but there is always space for others. What you need to do, is follow which active pharmaceutical ingredients are currently undergoing clinical testing phases and prepare the crucial intermediates according to the literature. If you sell them for research (kg amounts) you can do so even if they are specifically claimed in the patents. However, you really need to be fast. Some generic pharma companies start buying the intermediates already before the clinical phase of the originators are concluded. If you are the first on the market, you can sell for a profit margin of over a thousand %, then in a matter of a year the prices drop rapidly at an incredible rate (when the Chinese join the party).

Once you select a suitable target, you need to check the literature if its synthesis is suitable to your skills and, most importantly, check if it is already commercially available (SciFinder, ChemExper, eMolecules, Alibaba, etc.). If nobody is offering it, take your chance, invest in the chemicals, synthesize it and put the offer on all the databases for commercial sources. For the beginning, you might want to do something that does not involve a lot of investment. You can first do a small amount and offer that as a bait and contract for a larger scale on demand. You will need to contract some lab to do the NMR, HPLC and assay analyses for you.

White Yeti - 22-11-2011 at 16:02

I found another compound that might be expensive and easy to synthesise. I just found it and wanted to throw the name out there. I didn't research profit margins enough to claim that the synthesis would turn up any significant profits, but I thought I'd throw it out to the community:

Dibenzo-18-crown-6 can be synthesised from catechol and bis(chloroethyl)ether in the presence of a strong base and a catalyst. The "achilles heel" in this synthesis would be to find a cheap source of bis(chloroethyl)ether (the compound is pretty expensive in Alfa Aesar's selection ~$25 for 50g). However, I'm sure it can be easily synthesised from common lab chemicals.

Let me know what you think.

White Yeti - 22-11-2011 at 16:27

Quote: Originally posted by Panache

given i'll never get around to making it and selling it you'll find innumerable customers for

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapefruit_mercaptan

if you can design a synth for the enantiomer required as well as a preseverative.

There could be an easy way to make grapefruit mercaptan... You could buy terpineol (500g for 60 bucks) and bubble H2S through it in the presence of a catalyst. Organic chemistry is not my thing so I don't know what kind of catalyst is needed to replace an alcohol group with a thiol group. I've never experimented with thiols :\ Does anyone have experience in making thiols?

ScienceSquirrel - 23-11-2011 at 04:16

Quote: Originally posted by White Yeti

Quote: Originally posted by Panache

You are not going to do it like that.
The first challenge is to convert the alcohol in to something that will leave easily eg tosylate.
Then you want to react it with something like thiourea and hydrolyse the resulting salt to form the thiol.

fledarmus - 23-11-2011 at 04:35

Quote: Originally posted by White Yeti

Quote: Originally posted by Panache

There is already a Japanese patent (or at least application, I'm not sure exactly how to read Japanese patents) covering exactly that. Unfortunately I can't read the Japanese language either, so I don't know the details. JP 5271180

H2S is bubbled through an alpha-terpineol solution containing dilute sulfuric acid for 80-100 hours.

ScienceSquirrel - 23-11-2011 at 05:12

One of the problems with patents is that some are absolutely kosher, follow the instructions and you end up with product, others miss out vital information and some are just blue sky or even worse wishful thinking.

[Edited on 23-11-2011 by ScienceSquirrel]

mr.crow - 23-11-2011 at 08:12

Well it is a tertiary alcohol so it can do SN1 reactions easily. The -OH2+ group is also a decent leaving group, hence the H2SO4. I don't know how sulfides react with SN1 though.

So it sounds very simple and easy. Also very smelly

I ate an Asian candy once that tasted like sulfur. Maybe that was it?

Neil - 23-11-2011 at 08:22

Precious metal iodides. Gold iodide sells for almost 200$/g

ScienceSquirrel - 23-11-2011 at 08:29

Quote: Originally posted by mr.crow

Well it is a tertiary alcohol so it can do SN1 reactions easily. The -OH2+ group is also a decent leaving group, hence the H2SO4. I don't know how sulfides react with SN1 though.

So it sounds very simple and easy. Also very smelly

I ate an Asian candy once that tasted like sulfur. Maybe that was it?

I won't say that will not work but it seems a bit ropey to me.
The large amounts of hydrogen suphide would have to be captured and recycled or neutralised to make it practical though.

Nicodem - 23-11-2011 at 09:26

White Yeti, you miss the whole point of a small one-man chemical enterprise. You can not sell compounds that are already commercially available. Why on earth would anybody buy from you if they can buy from the regular reliable sources with certified products? No competitive price will ever change this.
The way small businesses do it, is like I described it above. You find a highly desirable starting material for a new drug that is not yet commercially available, make it and sell it. Once the originators in the pharma industry get a drug approved, then all the generic competition starts with the synthesis and process research aimed at patenting independent synthetic routes. For this work they need also the same starting materials the originator used and they don't mind the cost as time is money for them. What some smarter companies do, is to offer obvious alternative starting materials for such drugs and sell them for an incredible profit margin (obviously, everybody wants them so you can set the price at any level). This business can last up to one or two years before it dies out from competition lowering the prices.
This is only the most profitable chemical business branch, but similar businesses can be do also for chiral ligands or other expensive and exclusive compounds.

Quote: Originally posted by ScienceSquirrel

I won't say that will not work but it seems a bit ropey to me.

The SN1 alkylation of H2S is a known reaction and highly efficient, but there could be selectivity issues on this particular substrate. Too bad the compound is already commercially viable, though from a limited number of sources (nearly all Chinese so there is no way to competing with the price). Obviously, there is not much demand or else there would be more companies selling it, given it is not a new compound.

Takron - 23-11-2011 at 10:04

For an easy chemical to make at home that is expensive as hell. The first thing that comes to mind is Ammonium MetaVanadate. You can make it in pretty large at home quantities but it can cost upwards of 80 or more dollars for a few grams. Its used for presumptive drug testing.

You convert Vanadium Pentoxide with Sodium Carbonate to Sodium MetaVanadate and then you react that with an ammonium salt to yield Ammonium MetaVanadate.

Ammonium MetaVanadate is only slightly soluble in water so it should precipitate out after cooling and volume reduction.

Nicodem - 24-11-2011 at 11:01

Quote: Originally posted by Takron

The first thing that comes to mind is Ammonium MetaVanadate. You can make it in pretty large at home quantities but it can cost upwards of 80 or more dollars for a few grams.

80 or more dollars for a few grams? Somebody is fooling you. Si*ma sells ammonium metavanadate (99% certified purity) for 229 EUR/kg. Some Chinese company sells it in the range of 40 to 90 $/kg. The bulk price in China is 8 $/kg or less. This is an inexpensive chemical. Do you think you can compete against the Chinese?

White Yeti - 25-11-2011 at 07:14

@Nicodem

What about the synthesis of copper aspirinate?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0hxp_1w0MQ

Large suppliers do not carry this compound and the precursors are quite cheap.
This would only work if this compound was not approved by the FDA, though.

ScienceSquirrel - 25-11-2011 at 07:30

Quote: Originally posted by White Yeti

@Nicodem

What about the synthesis of copper aspirinate?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0hxp_1w0MQ

Large suppliers do not carry this compound and the precursors are quite cheap.
This would only work if this compound was not approved by the FDA, though.

But who would want it and what for?

White Yeti - 25-11-2011 at 08:14

Quote: Originally posted by ScienceSquirrel

Quote: Originally posted by White Yeti

But who would want it and what for?

According to wikipedia, this compound is used to relieve pain in arthritis patients. Whether this drug is approved by the FDA is beyond me.

ScienceSquirrel - 25-11-2011 at 08:22

What you want to do is make something that requires the minimum of regulation.
This is why novel ligands or intermediates are so attractive.
All you need is some analytical data and you are away. You are selling to research labs so caveat emptor.
I make and sell beer and I have Customs & Excise and Environmental Health to deal with.

bbartlog - 25-11-2011 at 16:45

Quote:

this compound is used to relieve pain in arthritis patients. Whether this drug is approved by the FDA is beyond me.

Seems like a bad idea, and FDA approval is very unlikely. If you take enough to get a conventional dose of the acetylsalicylic part, you get too much copper. One mmol of Cu(II) aspirinate (is that even a word?), which would give you only 360mg equivalent of aspirin (not a full adult dose) would already give you 63mg of copper, which is five times the daily intake limit recommended by the WHO.
Of course the dose may be less, but then it would seem that just supplementing with some other copper salt, like the 10mg doses of copper acetate mentioned in the Wikipedia reference link, would be simpler.

IrC - 25-11-2011 at 21:05

Quote: Originally posted by bbartlog

Quote:

this compound is used to relieve pain in arthritis patients. Whether this drug is approved by the FDA is beyond me.

I am not so sure you are looking at the problem properly. Sounds like you are saying the usefulness as a medicine of this chemical is based merely upon the aspirin related effect and comparing it's effectiveness and dosage in terms of equal amounts of ordinary aspirin (mere inflammation reduction and pain relief alone). If so why would you not just take cheap aspirin and do without the copper poisoning entirely. I believe it's use is more related to the metabolism of Purines and the subsequent levels of Uric acid in the blood and the amount crystallizing in the joints. As we know this locks the joints as well as acting like sandpaper damaging the joints as you move, as well as the related inflammation problems. As in the use of Gold shots, could not this chemical be causing a more subtle effect in Uric acid levels requiring less dosage for effectiveness. In effect you are treating the disease not the symptoms alone as in the case with Aspirin dosage.

Notwithstanding Aspirin's reduction of inflammation effects which would be 'treating the problem' as opposed to mere pain relief, the reduction of Uric acid levels or possibly the elimination as opposed to crystallization would itself reduce pain by the reduction of the disease process itself.

Or am I grasping at straws here? Possibly I am it may be more related to a reduction in the body's seeing it's own tissues as enemies, but I think my previous line of thinking is closer to the truth.

[Edited on 11-26-2011 by IrC]

Takron - 26-11-2011 at 07:42

Quote: Originally posted by Nicodem

Do you think you can compete against the Chinese?

Who the hell said I was competing against the Chinese? He was asking for chemicals that were costly that can be made cheaper at home, not how one of us could start competing against the Chinese. He's not going to be buying it in bulk and it is still a costly chemical compared to a lot of others. Plus it is in fact a lot cheaper to make it at home than to buy it unless you are buying tons, which he is not going to be doing just for home chemistry.

White Yeti - 26-11-2011 at 09:50

Quote: Originally posted by Takron

Quote: Originally posted by Nicodem

Do you think you can compete against the Chinese?

Even though this is an unfortunate fact, I agree with Nicodem. If I ever decide to make chemicals for the sole purpose of making a profit, I would have to compete with China. This is probably why no one makes chemicals at home to sell. If I make speciality chemicals, then perhaps, I wouldn't have to compete with the Chinese. Then again the problem with sociality chemicals is that they have few buyers.

ScienceSquirrel - 26-11-2011 at 13:02

There are people like me making money out of craft brewing beer, cider, traditional and country wines.
Making a good brew is a challenge and a test of your chemical knowledge and skills plus you have to operate on a large scale. My new plant that is going in early next year will make 100 litres in a run.
You have all the book keeping, regulation stuff to cope with and you have to sell the product.
You do not have to compete with the Chinese!
It keeps me busy at weekends and it is almost turning in to useful second income.

phlogiston - 26-11-2011 at 17:02

If you pick only one or just a few specific chemicals, you run the risk that the market for these compounds will be small.

Rather, you could offer a custom synthesis service and cater to the needs of many customers. The price/profit margin can be high. I myself sometimes buy very special chemicals at a very very high price when it is really critical for my research, and I suspect many labs do that. You could ask pretty much any price you like.

White Yeti - 2-12-2011 at 16:04

This might be a long-shot, but how about extracting ursolic acid from apples? I have a yard full of apple trees and most of those apples are not fit for consumption. Every year, hundreds of kilos of apples go to waste because they are not aesthetically pleasing and not palatable either, but they surely contain the same chemicals as ordinary apples.

The problem though, is how could I extract this speciality chemical from hundreds of kilos of apples? Should I make apple juice and dry out the juice to get a dry powder to work with? Even then, what solvents should I use to extract this substance?

turd - 2-12-2011 at 23:46

Be realistic and make cider / cidre. If you can't sell it, at least you'll have something to enjoy for yourself.

To get rich quickly invent some pyramid or pump and dump scheme.

White Yeti - 3-12-2011 at 06:21

Quote: Originally posted by turd

Be realistic and make cider / cidre. If you can't sell it, at least you'll have something to enjoy for yourself.

To get rich quickly invent some pyramid or pump and dump scheme.

When I say unfit for consumption, I mean it. I don't even know if I can make good cider with those apples. Granted, the apples needed to make cider do not have to be perfect; but when the apples in my yard are ripe, they are smaller than the size of irregular tennis balls, with places that are rotten and some places infested with fungi and bugs. If I had to pick out only the best apples of the bunch, I would end up with enough to make five gallons of cider. Realistic but not profitable.

If you're wondering why these apples are as they are, my yard used to be an apple orchard ~60 years ago, so the apple trees are very old. In fact, every year, there's at least one apple tree that falls because of some kind of weather event. This year, we got more than one because of both hurricane Irene and the Halloween snow.

AJKOER - 23-2-2012 at 20:38

OK, so if you verify there is a market for a compound in small quantities, and you know of a large scale and high quality producer, just buy in bulk and re-package. You will need a storage area, safety equipment, bottles, your labels and may even decide to hire help. Be careful to factor in the time value of money invested in your average inventory position, as well a fair value for your labor, in your product pricing.

Your standard Pharmacy is probably using this business model to some extent.

A market that comes to mind is Iodine pills, a popular item on ebay in small quantities where price is more important than brand name.

[Edited on 24-2-2012 by AJKOER]

GreenD - 24-2-2012 at 08:09

You can make novel chemicals and sell them for whatever you like.

Many of the larger organic molecules on sig-al that sell for >100$ for a few mg are that price because it wouldn't make sense for them to synthesize them, sell them to the 5 people who actually want them, for a price that is closer to the average.

If you isolated many different natural compounds in good purity (you'll probably need an NMR to tell exactly what you have) - then you could easily sell mg quantities for a good profit.

Neil - 24-2-2012 at 08:43

Quote: Originally posted by AJKOER

OK, so if you verify there is a market for a compound in small quantities, and you know of a large scale and high quality producer, just buy in bulk and re-package. You will need a storage area, safety equipment, bottles, your labels and may even decide to hire help. Be careful to factor in the time value of money invested in your average inventory position, as well a fair value for your labor, in your product pricing.
[Edited on 24-2-2012 by AJKOER]

A 60lb bag of CaCl costs 36.00$ from a hardware store for me. A 250g bag of Damp rid from my local sailing supply shop costs 16.00$.

GreenD - 24-2-2012 at 08:53

Quote: Originally posted by Neil

A 60lb bag of CaCl costs 36.00$ from a hardware store for me. A 250g bag of Damp rid from my local sailing supply shop costs 16.00$.

dur

Neil - 24-2-2012 at 08:57

Is that some sort of query? I don't speak daft troll sorry.

If you thought about it you might have realized they buy these little packs from somewhere...

GreenD - 27-2-2012 at 06:57

Its a local SAILING shop - of course everything in there will be over priced. You're selling to people with sail boats lol

Pyro - 24-11-2012 at 09:12

I can't not say this:
''A boat is a hole in the water into which you pour money''
make KIO3 abd KBrO3 from KClO3 and I2/Br2

feacetech - 25-11-2012 at 18:03

sodium chlorite and cirtic acid

make/resell these to heath shops nuts and quakes as MMS

they charge and arm and a leg for it you could too

look at these prices

http://www.miraclemineral.co.nz/product.html

[Edited on 26-11-2012 by feacetech]