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Please welcome our latest moderator, ScienceSquirrel

Polverone - 7-2-2012 at 12:22

He is going to restore the glory of Sciencemadness that best matches your personal rose-colored memories of some time in the past. Or at least he won't let so much garbage sit around unattended.

Thanks for joining the moderator team, ScienceSquirrel!

Pulverulescent - 7-2-2012 at 12:36

Congrat's SS!
I'm sure you'll make a great moderator . . .
Watch out for your nuts, though! (:D)

P

zoombafu - 7-2-2012 at 14:15

Congratulations!

Neil - 7-2-2012 at 14:37

Nice!

Pulverulescent - 9-2-2012 at 10:02

Quote: Originally posted by Pulverulescent  
Congrat's SS!
I'm sure you'll make a great moderator . . .
Watch out for your nuts, though!

[edit] I talk complete shite sometimes! like just now!

P

hkparker - 9-2-2012 at 18:51

Awesome, and congrats!

plante1999 - 10-2-2012 at 04:56

Nice!

neptunium - 10-2-2012 at 07:09

best of luck SS!

benzylchloride1 - 13-2-2012 at 00:14

Bravo ScienceSquirrel!

jamit - 13-2-2012 at 06:19

Congratulation SS!

ScienceSquirrel - 13-2-2012 at 15:09

Thank you for your best wishes.
I am going to try and be a good and fair moderator.
I feel that it is not an easy job but hopefully I will grow in to it.
You are a very intelligent but sometimes argumentative bunch.
If you feel I get it wrong then U2U me and I will try and reach a compromise.

plante1999 - 14-2-2012 at 17:03

Quote: Originally posted by ScienceSquirrel  

You are a very intelligent but sometimes argumentative bunch.


Well.... I think it is an greet thing since competition is alway good for process.

Rosco Bodine - 20-2-2012 at 15:56

Welcome the thought police ....."wrong thinking" will not be tolerated

but lying, insulting subversives and Marxist propagandists will be coddled and indulged in every whim

UnintentionalChaos - 20-2-2012 at 15:58

Quote: Originally posted by Rosco Bodine  
Welcome the thought police ....."wrong thinking" will not be tolerated

but lying, insulting subversives and Marxist propagandists will be coddled and indulged in every whim


Comedy gold, right here.

Good riddance to that thread.

Rosco Bodine - 20-2-2012 at 16:08

@UnitentionalChaos

Spoken like a true constable in the "thought police" ...or are you
"neighborhood watch" or "thought police youth auxilliary" .....
you know an honorary thought policeman?
Oh Pleeeeease .....don't tase me bro ....
Massa, I won't do anymore
"wrong thinking' ......I promise :D

Wait just a minute .....

[1] Was that thread actually "devoid of any meaningful or useful content" ?

or ....wasn't it just, in the alternative

[2] "politically incorrect" ?

This seems more like Fahrenheit 451 sort of stuff....
like a roll call for "firemen"

[Edited on 21-2-2012 by Rosco Bodine]

ScienceSquirrel - 20-2-2012 at 17:30

I deleted posts from both sides. and I tried to be fair.
Most of the deleted posts were for bad language.
I tried not to act as a censor but I only have limited free time to act as a moderator so it is easier to do a quick chop.
I have read Fahrenheit 451, 1984, Brave New World and more besides.
As far as I see it this forum does not have a thought police and there is no 'unthink'.
Language that would be banned in the US Congress and most parliaments is allowed in the Science Madness public square.

Neil - 20-2-2012 at 18:00

That thread was less science oriented then most of the detritus folder.

No thought policing involved, the thread was not deleted after all; it was just put to rest like the beaten dead horse that it was.

Rosco Bodine - 20-2-2012 at 18:49

Riiiiiight NASA doesn't do science anymore. For "riiiiiight thinking" I must try to remember the only "real" science in which any confidence can be placed is done only by atheist radical environmentalist Marxists who are proponents of the deindustrialization of the United States, its subsequent bankruptcy and collapse.
Radical environmentalists are inherently objectors to frank discussions which they want silenced, and SS obliged them. When radicals are responded to honestly, they rail at reasonable men with false accusations and ridicule with malicious purpose, which is no controversy according to themselves. I did hit the nail on the head by calling those radical environmentalists Marxist agent provocateurs, not as "name calling" but to use precisely correct terminology for what they are. Controversy arises when honest and effective rebuttals effectively put those deceivers in their place. They can't take being exposed so they cry foul. And SS listened to them, instead of telling them simply to STFU, and as a consequence later everybody has to shut up when the thread becomes clogged with argument, is censored, and impudent irrational actors feel like a victory has been handed to them, emboldening them to continue later with the same propaganda until the thread is locked as was their goal. That is what happened. The same Marxist radical environmentalist trolls and "thread saboteurs" will continue as "spoilers" with the same lies, and the same phony science agenda at first opportunity. They are not gentlemen and scholars but are troublemaking imbeciles. SS let an LSD addled vegetarian bicycle riding Marxist propagandist sabotage a GW thread, with hissingnoise cheering him on every step of the way.
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=18851&...

And with regards to posts simply being archived in detritus and not deleted outright, no that is not all that occurred. In fact some very cogent posts by myself and IrC were deleted outright and those posts contained no foul language, but only expressed unimpeachable dissent and rebuttal towards
the trashing of the thread by both trolls and moderators.

Here's a couple of links which may be interesting

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/communist-...

http://cpusa.org/obama-state-of-the-union-he-got-the-ball-ro...

Anyone who read Bradbury, Orwell, and Huxley without understanding should reread with better comprehension.

[Edited on 21-2-2012 by Rosco Bodine]

Neil - 20-2-2012 at 19:01

Quote: Originally posted by Rosco Bodine  
Riiiiiight NASA doesn't do science anymore. For "riiiiiight thinking" I must try to remember the only "real" science in which any confidence can be placed is done only by atheist radical environmentalist Marxists who are proponents of the deindustrialization of the United States, its subsequent bankruptcy and collapse.
Radical environmentalists are inherently objectors to frank discussions which they want silenced, and SS obliged them. When radicals are responded to honestly, they rail at reasonable men with false accusations and ridicule with malicious purpose, which is no controversy according to themselves. I did hit the nail on the head by calling those radical environmentalists Marxist agent provocateurs, not as "name calling" but to use precisely correct terminology for what they are. Controversy arises when honest and effective rebuttals effectively put those deceivers in their place. They can't take being exposed so they cry foul. And SS listened to them, instead of telling them simply to STFU, and as a consequence later everybody has to shut up when the thread becomes clogged with argument, is censored, and impudent irrational actors feel like a victory has been handed to them, emboldening them to continue later with the same propaganda until the thread is locked as was their goal. That is what happened. The same Marxist radical environmentalist trolls and "thread saboteurs" will continue as "spoilers" with the same lies, and the same phony science agenda at first opportunity. They are not gentlemen and scholars but are troublemaking imbeciles. SS let an LSD addled vegetarian bicycle riding Marxist propagandist sabotage a GW thread, with hissingnoise cheering him on every step of the way.



[Edited on 21-2-2012 by Rosco Bodine]



That was a wonderfull summery of my point, Rosco meet dead horse, dead horse meet Rosco. (psst i think the horse was a commie too)

Also I am indebted to you, till now I had no idea bicycles were evil!

Mr. Wizard - 20-2-2012 at 19:04

SHUT UP! , the central leftist argument as explained by Andrew Klaven.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s&feature=playe...


Rosco Bodine - 20-2-2012 at 19:19

For four years I rode a bicycle daily anywhere from 15 to 25 miles daily and sometimes 50 or more. Bicycles are not the issue. Imbeciles with computers are.

@Mr. Wizard ......great clip ......
It's the whole "Ameritopia" concept :D

http://www.marklevinshow.com/home.asp

[Edited on 21-2-2012 by Rosco Bodine]

watson.fawkes - 20-2-2012 at 19:25

Quote: Originally posted by Neil  
Also I am indebted to you, till now I had no idea bicycles were evil!
And I had no idea sabotage could be a self-inflicted wound.

Polverone - 20-2-2012 at 19:29

ScienceSquirrel is not chief censor. I am. I did the big pruning of the GW thread before it was closed. I also outright deleted a couple of posts from Rosco and GreenD when it was apparent that the subtle hint of redirecting posts to Detritus wasn't working. GreenD had a larger proportion of his posts in that thread sent to Detritus than Rosco did.

I fully support ScienceSquirrel. If you want to fork the forum into a version that welcomes political and religious debate, I have tried to make it as easy as possible: https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=12...

Neil - 20-2-2012 at 19:36

...and now we wait for Hissing noise to accuse Polverone of being a vegetarian...

Mr. Wizard - 20-2-2012 at 19:46

Too bad the thread was throttled, I think we were actually making progress into the real cause of AGW.

Rosco Bodine - 20-2-2012 at 19:54

Quote: Originally posted by Polverone  
ScienceSquirrel is not chief censor. I am. I did the big pruning of the GW thread before it was closed. I also outright deleted a couple of posts from Rosco and GreenD when it was apparent that the subtle hint of redirecting posts to Detritus wasn't working. GreenD had a larger proportion of his posts in that thread sent to Detritus than Rosco did.

I fully support ScienceSquirrel. If you want to fork the forum into a version that welcomes political and religious debate, I have tried to make it as easy as possible: https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=12...


SS locked and closed the thread, so he likely has your full approval and support. You don't really need to explain, but I actually do wonder why. I did not see it as necessary but that is not my call.

Right thinking seems to require a "right philosophy" as the lens through which to interpret scientific data and to then propose what are "ethical" choices from the portfolio of "scientifically valid" solutions. I am certain that none of that is discussed in the forum backup, other than the Marsh articles which were kindly linked by DerAlte in the now locked thread. The irony must have been missed that Marsh is an atheist but has scientifically valid positions about GW on which I concur, and even while being an atheist he stopped short of preaching Marxism. So it isn't like there is a distinct line always there between faith and politics and science, leaving no things on which reasonable men can agree. Likewise for DerAlte who is an atheist but is no avowed Marxist and who makes good sense about most things he has posted. Compare with GreenD and similar schills for Marxism. I never tried to get into a "stupid contest" with GreenD or hissingnoise. But I refuse to be "dressed down" by atheists and Marxists who don't know what they are talking about. I also correctly view the people who have such a Marxist mentality as being subversives who are a real threat to constitutional republics and to capitalism which supports those republics. Just as there are rational and irrational actors in the world, so are there rational and irrational actors in this forum. I honestly try very hard to keep company and be in agreement with the first group there in both.

[Edited on 21-2-2012 by Rosco Bodine]

IrC - 21-2-2012 at 06:29

Why waste time complaining Rosco? Every thread you or I or in general any on the right especially if perceived to be persons of faith post in are methodically attacked and trashed by a small select group of typically Marxist, and/or atheist members whose true agenda is merely to attack and destroy. Aimed most of all at any people who are not God despising atheists. With the blessings of both SS and the 'Chief Censor in service of AGW-CPUSA Cabal', since they remove your work and mine while saying nothing to the person (or persons) creating the hate and discontent which destroys any hope of honest mature debate. I will prove it with some copy and paste snippets which show beyond all doubt the character and agenda of Pulverulescent. A good board does not allow people to register under multiple names and they damn sure do not let this type of person get away with nonstop the kind of behavior you will see below. I tried to have a thread on the subject of the danger of weaponizing viruses and a select few members trashed it in the same way they do the others. A thread is destroyed when the crap going on drives members into a frame of mind they do not care to be in the conversation any longer so the thread dies of lack of interest or is deleted. Since this occurs all over this board by this member with foul words and a hateful demonizing treatment of those he hates while the moderators allow it to continue unabated one can only assume it is with the blessing of the board operators. Just read the few quotes out of many more I could have copied if this was worth even the time I spent searching and this members motives and attitude will be clear beyond any possible doubt. I do not buy PV's dislike of any form of faith here as being proper or correct since history itself shows men of great faith were among the greatest true scientists the world has ever seen. Men far above the stature of any so called 'scientists' today. Men (I should add and women) who thankfully did not have to suffer the same treatment concerning their faith as we do today. Yet science cannot dis-prove God any more than it can prove it. Neither can it prove what in inside a black hole yet I doubt we would be so attacked for putting forth our belief on that subject.

Twice I posted my map of the new reactors the 'save the planet groups' is trying to block and twice it was deleted. Detritus is after all the deletion of material others may have spent considerable time researching and posting. If those members in favor of GW being real, and saving the planet, would rather destroy and suppress debate on solutions which could do true good in reducing the use of carbon emitting fuels there can be no doubt their goal is not saving the planet but rather reducing the quality of life for others while gaining power and wealth for themselves. It matters not if those so engaged are little fish and nothing more than useful idiots they are still part of the greater agenda. I have dealt with people of religion who have gone off the deep end of reality into cultism. Any attempt to show them truth makes them behave in a way precisely identical to the green groups and GW proponents including here on this board when you try to show hard data which conflicts with their beliefs. Indicating to me that whether we are talking about Marxists, green earth people, GW proponents, atheists, or any number of other similar groups they behave in a manor identical to religion in all aspects. People say your crazy to believe in God merely by faith. Yet to falsify data to prove a false precept and hold fast to those beliefs in the face of zero and/or conflicting evidence while aggressively attacking and suppressing all who oppose them proves beyond all doubt they are a cultish form of religion. If they believe CO2 is killing the earth stop blocking reactors which could dramatically reduce said emissions. I could provide more evidence but my time is valuable and I am tired of having my work thrown away for no reason. I have been here since 3-8-2005 and if I was that much of a problem creator here amazingly I have never been so informed. I have however seen a relentless decline into ever lower quality of threads and posts by members usually looking for cooking information so maybe it is time I stopped wasting mine anyway. I mean seriously a thread in this section titled "ATTENTION ALL ARGUMENTATIVE PEOPLE" while allowing the type of malicious activity by the member quoted below who is allowed with impunity to attack any thread you or I are involved in never once being disciplined by the moderators? Following are just a few quotes to prove my point about the nonstop uncalled for foul language and endless bad treatment of fellow members. I am done with it enough of my valuable time has been wasted in vain. By the way if he was that intelligent he could either spell better or at least use a spell checker. They might let a few read what I took the time to say before as usual they delete this post.

Quotes from Pulverulescent AKA Hissingnoise and likely AKA others:
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Yeah SS, Rosco's and IrC's brand of bullshit had a kind of novelty value for a while there but tedium builds up over the pages until every post they make becomes a Baldrick's 'cunning plan'!
You end up like Edmund B . . .

I just wish the meek would STFU!

'Pity he wasn't Rush Limbless and Tongueless (he's clueless already)?
Now that'd make everyone's day!

Rush Limbaugh is pure filth!!!

You morons were made for each other . . .
And everyone knows what RWFs are really like behind closed doors!
Go get a fucking room!

[edit] Whew! It wasn't easy, but I managed to stop myself saying anything about the production of ? 'you know what'?

Religion!
The blood in the santorum .

ScienceMadness' own JoefuckingMcCarthy, eh?
I bet that, like that ignorant moron, you're not even able to define what communism actually is!
Jeez ? the "reds under the beds" stupidity, all over again!
How fucking pathetic is that!?!
Just grow up, FFS!

O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae monie a ...

Funny but OTT :-)
Deleted!
[Edited on 13-2-2012 by ScienceSquirrel] bad enough to be moderated out

Oh my! You have detractors, Rosco???
Send us a photo ? we'll recognise you male, female or hermaphrodite, straightaway!

Jeez, yeah! It'll only discombobulate poor old Rosco!
He'll maybe think twice before starting such a moronic thread, next time!
SS will delete it anyway, most likely . .

The sanguinity you show in the face of my taunting is commendable ? I will say that! (my taunting - shows his true intent)

And then, there's Rosco crowing away merrily in the background!?!
WTF!!!

Yeah! And people who use platinum for their 'personal adornment' should be taken out and shot! ...

If I were to say what I really think there would be uproar ? indeed, the mere act of posting comments here smacks of 'suffering fools'!
Rather than do something that alien to my instincts, gladly, I will simply disregard all threads of this nature in future!
I mean, the stupidity and ignorance of some posters here is just waaay too fucking much!

The poor fuck's off his meds ? he'd blow up the doll 'till it burst on him!

I like a bit of two-dimensional fucking as much as the next man . .
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Edit to add: this quote should beyond all doubt indicate the true motivation and character of this member.

"The sanguinity you show in the face of my taunting is commendable"



[Edited on 2-21-2012 by IrC]

Neil - 21-2-2012 at 07:00

This is a chemistry forum... :)

I thought Hissing/Pul's agenda was to convert as much EtOH to glucose as possible? :P

He should be lauded as a Hero, I hear he regularly destroys large amounts of cannnibis by incineration it, thereby insuring no children may come to harm by it.

Sounds like an upstanding fellow to me.

There are political forums, but beware Poe's law, you might find it spokes your wheel with a vegans keyboard.

Bot0nist - 21-2-2012 at 08:44

Quote: Originally posted by Neil  
This is a chemistry forum... :)

I thought Hissing/Pul's agenda was to convert as much EtOH to glucose as possible? :P

He should be lauded as a Hero, I hear he regularly destroys large amounts of cannnibis by incineration it, thereby insuring no children may come to harm by it.

Sounds like an upstanding fellow to me.


Aye, and to me:D. Three cheers for hissingnoise!

Polverone - 21-2-2012 at 09:39

IrC, your posts with reactor maps went to Detritus not because of the reactors but because of the part before the maps: the first had "you green morons", "green fanatic," "you green pukes," "welfare sucking Marxists," "mentally handicapped left," "see through your lies to your true agenda." That is as blatantly insulting and content-free as anything ever posted in that thread.

The second attempt was not as insulting but before the reactor map it continued a discussion of your opponents' philosophy just when I was trying to get the thread back to science. I used the "dull axe" of pruning entire posts because editing parts of individual posts is even slower.

As for hissingnoise/Pulverulescent, he is frequently insulting and was another major contributor to the poor quality of the GW thread. In reviewing the big pruning I did, he originally made 63 posts in the thread and had 53 of them pruned. The reason he appears under two names is because he stopped using hissingnoise and returned to his (previously blocked) account Pulverulescent. The account hissingnoise has been unused since January 8.

If his insults go unchecked in other threads, it is because other threads do not generate reports/complaints to the moderators as the GW thread did. Report posts that need moderation! Reporting brings moderator attention, suffering in silence does not.

EDIT: Top users of abrasive language on Sciencemadness

For those of you conversant with SQL, I checked users' posts for insulting terms like so:
select author, count(message) as count from xmb_posts where message like '%insulting term%' group by author order by count(message);

If you have a copy of the SM virtual machine backup, you can (approximately) reproduce my results by running the queries on your own copy, though you will not have the most recent posts or anything from Whimsy or References.

The top user of 'fuck' and variants is vulture.
The top user of 'shit' and variants is Rosco Bodine.
The top user of 'damn' and variants is quicksilver.
The top user of 'crap' and variants is woelen.
The top user of 'piss' and variants is vulture.
The top user of 'moron' and variants is Rosco Bodine.
The top user of 'puke' and variants is IrC.
The top user of 'vomit' and variants is The WiZard is In.
The top user of 'cunt' and variants is Engager.
The top user of 'pussy' and variants is peach.
The top user of 'idiot' and variants is Rosco Bodine.
The top user of 'cock' and variants is AirCowPeaCock (hmm).
The top user of 'braindead' and variants is Rosco Bodine.
The top user of 'whore' and variants is JohnWW.
The top user of 'brainless' and variants is Sauron.

[Edited on 2-21-2012 by Polverone]

Rosco Bodine - 21-2-2012 at 10:45

In George Carlin's order.... then let's see who comes out on top.
Sheeeesh it's a good thing I'm forgiven .....or else I'd be up shit creek :D

Is that an absolute numerical count or a ranking expressed as a proportional content of all posts in total.

Otherwise I would say there is a statistically skewed inference.

[Edited on 21-2-2012 by Rosco Bodine]

Polverone - 21-2-2012 at 11:05

That's just an absolute numerical count. It would be better to take the ratio of abrasive-word posts to all author posts (or better yet, word-occurrence count normalized by total number of words per author) but that would be significantly more complicated. This is just the 10 minute version.

Rosco Bodine - 21-2-2012 at 11:29

Absolute numerical count makes more sense. I wonder too if the search parameter excludes quoted content, because as a general rule I have never used the report button, but have tended to take on matters of dispute directly rather than delegate ....somehow it seemed like ratting or tattling, which is not my tendency. I am a scrapper....can't deny it, never have been inclined to run from conflict because the gentleness aspects of faith is the thing I always never seemed to get right....... and I'm still working on it.

Bot0nist - 21-2-2012 at 12:28

What a bad ass...


Was ACPC name counted many instances as well? He is relatively new compared to the other on the list.

[Edited on 21-2-2012 by Bot0nist]

Pulverulescent - 21-2-2012 at 12:29

Gee Rosco, this has suddenly morphed into a very entertaining thread . . .

P

Polverone - 21-2-2012 at 12:39

Quote: Originally posted by Bot0nist  
What a bad ass...


Was ACPC name counted many instances as well? He is relatively new compared to the other on the list.


He has edited many of his posts, and then "Edited by AirCowPeaCock" appears in the message, which gets caught in the search.

IrC - 21-2-2012 at 13:00

Quote: Originally posted by Polverone  
That's just an absolute numerical count. It would be better to take the ratio of abrasive-word posts to all author posts (or better yet, word-occurrence count normalized by total number of words per author) but that would be significantly more complicated. This is just the 10 minute version.


I think it should also differentiate between remarks made toward a group out there in the world and those made by members against other members but that's just me. No big deal you do have a point.


GreenD - 21-2-2012 at 13:25

Nope.

[Edited on 2-21-2012 by Polverone]

IrC - 21-2-2012 at 14:26

Another example of the childish attitude wrecking this site. No respect at all. No tolerance by those who demand tolerance. I think moderators should pay particular attention to posters with a sole agenda of demonizing members and destroying threads. People who refuse to act with maturity and seldom provide useful content.

Pulverulescent - 22-2-2012 at 00:29

Quote:
"you green morons", "green fanatic," "you green pukes," "welfare sucking Marxists," "mentally handicapped left," "see through your lies to your true agenda."

Quote:
No respect at all. No tolerance by those who demand tolerance.

Quite!

P

AndersHoveland - 22-2-2012 at 01:30

This is a science forum. I think we should at least use a complex polynomial function to judge our members.

For example,
y= 0.5x^1.5 + x / n
,where n= number of posts, x= number of inappropriate statements. Notice that in one of the terms, x is raised to a non-integer power. So this equation would combine a little of both of the ideas suggested by Rosco and others. The importance of the exponential terms would be to make the function non-linear. A few bad posts would not be weighed as heavily as many bad posts. When y exceeds a certain number, a warning, then when y exceeds another limit, more serious action. All this is complicated, but it would be the most consistent system. The coefficients could be tweaked for optimum effect. :P Just a creative idea...

IrC - 22-2-2012 at 03:38

What I see puberescent is you do not rightly consider the facts. You do not see the difference between reacting to uncalled for attacks and making these attacks without prior provocation. In effect you are twisting the truth of the matter to veil your MO. Or you do see it and are unknowingly divulging your character to those who see much more.

I have to say I see a pattern. In the 7 years I have been here not that many threads I have been involved in have made it to detritus. Yet I see a very large and ever increasing number of threads ending up there not long after you join a conversation with your endless insulting combative posts. You simply cannot stop yourself. You may have time to wreck the site but some of us work for a living, not to mention preferring things here the way it used to be in lieu of the way you wish it to become.


[Edited on 2-22-2012 by IrC]

Pulverulescent - 22-2-2012 at 04:33

Quote:
What I see puberescent[sic] is you do not rightly consider the facts.

How very insightful of you, IrC . . . ?

P

turd - 22-2-2012 at 04:38

Quote: Originally posted by AndersHoveland  
This is a science forum. I think we should at least use a complex polynomial function to judge our members.

For example,
y= 0.5x^1.5 + x / n

Sadly, the function on the right side of your equation is neither complex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_number), nor a polynomial. Write it as
Quote:
0.5*sqrt(x)^3 + sqrt(x)^2*(1/n)^1

Then it you could call it a third order polynomial in sqrt(x) and 1/n.

Seriously, brush up on your algebra, that hurts! Writing random equations without any sense is not science.

Ephoton - 22-2-2012 at 06:32

I missed this thread :)

rosco got four great effort :D

we forgot taking the name in vain like god jesus and christ.

unforunatly if we used an SQL experssion to obtain these statistics we would get rosco taking out
a holy seven for his linguistics.

this place realy makes me laugh sometimes thanx guys/girls.

after all being anointed the head of the anti sauron campain I am proud to say I didont make
it onto the abrasive language list at all.

Quite an acheavment.

now if only I could spell :(

oh congrants SS and rule with an iron fist :)


[Edited on 22-2-2012 by Ephoton]

watson.fawkes - 22-2-2012 at 07:16

Quote: Originally posted by IrC  
You do not see the difference between reacting to uncalled for attacks and making these attacks without prior provocation.
So when you, IrC, attack someone, it's OK because you're just responding to provocation.

Do two wrongs make it right for just you, IrC, or is that the case for everybody?

Neil - 22-2-2012 at 08:59

Quote: Originally posted by Pulverulescent  
Quote:
What I see puberescent[sic] is you do not rightly consider the facts.

How very insightful of you, IrC . . . ?

P


He, in addition to protecting children from cannabis and making glucose out of a toxic carcinogen, is ALSO is a canary for the viability of a thread?

I suppose we should make a statue. Or you know, instead of getting a piece of glass stuck in ones crop, talk about it without being diminishing, because that just makes you look silly and the other person look less silly.

Rosco and IRC you both have informative posts, but you both can be as abrasive as the people who abraid you. Who gives a flying shit if someone thinks or does not think a benificient dude sits in the clouds with a cold beer waiting for you should you happen to trip into a vat of crazed starved weasels.

If science can not prove or disprove that ethereal cold beer then that cold beer certainly isn't going to mess up a well planned fractionation so again, WHY GIVE A FLYING DUCK. We ain't trying to debate theology we're trying to get something done here!


If everyone uses that magical report button on purely spam postings, like the one green had made earlier, then they will vanish. SS is doing a good job of this. I do not think this has anything to do with bringing down republics as this is a global forum. Hell I live in that half socialistic place to the north of you. Although now that it occurs, really I would love commie chemistry, a world where we could all share references in full and reagents with no worries. *be still my beating heart*

I do not want sciencemadness to have an "agenda" be it probably Right Wing, Left wing, pro drugs or pro autistic badger lord of missing socks any more then I want it to be Anti any of those things.

The best way to keep out bias is to not bring it in.

There are lots of forums where people can discuss anything but this is a place where threads on making white P and Hg touch at the borders with threads on buying glassware and looking for that next exciting journal.

SM is a sacredish place for learning. It is not fair for any member to act hostile in a manner that drives away other member - we have the mods for that :)


Don't argue with idiots they will beat you down to their level and win through experience. -I have no idea who first said that but it should be the forum motto.

Edited for spelling

[Edited on 22-2-2012 by Neil]

Rosco Bodine - 22-2-2012 at 09:08

It is definitely a choice whether or not to defend oneself when attacked. Two wrongs don't make a right. However, turning the other cheek or gentle reply doesn't work with some people who are simply emboldened to worse. When
the same individuals again and again repeatedly are insulting and provoking,
nobody should be expected to just be tolerant and indifferent to it. Past a point
it becomes discretionary whether to ignore it or respond. There are trolls who
contribute just about zero to this forum other than trolling and attempting to
push other peoples buttons to provoke a reaction. And yeah responding is
feeding the trolls I suppose, so wouldn't it be nice if that feed was arriving
with sufficient potential to arc the airgap between the receivers two ears?
It would be the first spark to be found there in a long time for a troll.

IrC and myself are over sixty, and we each have Native American ancestry. No one seems to have a clue how ludicrous is the proposition generally that people having Native American ancestry need to be schooled concerning ethical environmentalism or valuing of natural resources. This has been like trying to explain to starving pilgrims how to plant corn with a fish in the hole as fertilizer,
but first having to explain what is a hole in the ground and how it comes to be there.......dig it?

Pulverulescent - 22-2-2012 at 09:12

That does sound like good, sound sense, Neil!
Climate, religion, politics and the like should be verboten here.

P

Neil - 22-2-2012 at 09:22

Quote: Originally posted by Rosco Bodine  
It is definitely a choice whether or not to defend oneself when attacked. Two wrongs don't make a right. However, turning the other cheek or gentle reply doesn't work with some people who are simply emboldened to worse. When
the same individuals again and again repeatedly are insulting and provoking,
nobody should be expected to just be tolerant and indifferent to it. Past a point
it becomes discretionary whether to ignore it or respond. There are trolls who
contribute just about zero to this forum other than trolling and attempting to
push other peoples buttons to provoke a reaction. And yeah responding is
feeding the trolls I suppose, so wouldn't it be nice if that feed was arriving
with sufficient potential to arc the airgap between the receivers two ears?
It would be the first spark to be found there in a long time for a troll.

IrC and myself are over sixty, and we each have Native American ancestry. No one seems to have a clue how ludicrous is the proposition generally that people having Native American ancestry need to be schooled concerning ethical environmentalism or valuing of natural resources. This has been like trying to explain to starving pilgrims how to plant corn with a fish in the hole as fertilizer,
but first having to explain what is a hole in the ground and how it comes to be there.......dig it?


I dig a lot of things but the fact always remain that stupid is as stupid does and two stupids is just stupid squared. Idiots will be, and no amount of txt on a screen will start that arc so why get in a tizzy and look daft when you could instead smile, go have a beer, and laugh?

Neil - 22-2-2012 at 09:23

Quote: Originally posted by Pulverulescent  
That does sound like good, sound sense, Neil!
Climate, religion, politics and the like should be verboten here.

P


Or at least confined to whimsy? (a place I dare not go)

Rosco Bodine - 22-2-2012 at 09:27

More trolling is what that is. And yeah IrC and myself could probably both
make more constructive use of our time elsewhere. Nothing we say seems to be getting through.

Pulverulescent - 22-2-2012 at 09:28

Quote:
IrC and myself are over sixty, and we each have Native American ancestry.

I'll hit sixtyfour in two months Rosco, and my ancestry is Celtic, basically.
Yours and IrC's heritage is a noble one; it just seems a pity you seem to have discarded it as casually as it appears you have!

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Neil - 22-2-2012 at 09:32

Quote: Originally posted by Rosco Bodine  
More trolling is what that is. And yeah IrC and myself could probably both
make more constructive use of our time elsewhere. Nothing we say seems to be getting through.


I'm not sure how I was trolling..?


Rosco Bodine - 22-2-2012 at 09:34

There is nothing "casual" about the journey which brought us here.
And there has been no discarding of anything, that is only your idea.

Rosco Bodine - 22-2-2012 at 09:39

Quote: Originally posted by Neil  
Quote: Originally posted by Rosco Bodine  
More trolling is what that is. And yeah IrC and myself could probably both
make more constructive use of our time elsewhere. Nothing we say seems to be getting through.


I'm not sure how I was trolling..?



You can't accept the point. You have a "rebuttal" where there isn't one. But you just have to say something because it is a compulsion to reply and dispute what I said as having no validity when it is valid. It's like nobody can make an intelligent statement without that somehow threatening you that they may be right.

Your observation about separating "science" from aspects of philosophy and reasoning otherwise which you think somehow are contaminants to science is your own theory, and the idea that certain topics can safely be debated in whimsy is also incorrect.

[Edited on 22-2-2012 by Rosco Bodine]

Neil - 22-2-2012 at 09:46

Reality is subjective? How could it not be? Unanimous thought would be the death of humanity.

What is done is done, why not move on? Surly when you were a mod people perceived your actions differently then you preceived you own?

Trolling is intentionally provoking a response, disagreeing with someone is not trolling per say. For the most part I stopped following the GW thread after my last post when it started to go round in circles again. The stuff I saw go to detritus was largely due. Not following the thread how could I know that pieces were deleted and not simple archived In Det. ? As far as I knew when I said that I was being conciliatory not provoking.

I did not know what I did not know? Even so it remains that there was no sardonic intention, till the bicycle comment at least. That was to much to resist.

Rosco Bodine - 22-2-2012 at 10:02

I realize full well that my responding and also IrC responding in kind could also bring the hypocrisy aspect as a liability ....but then I would defer that argument
to who started that stuff. Anyway, I have better things to do than to continue
this. There's no constructive purpose here. What's done is done. I'll probably stick around to watch for the chemistry or other technical discussion which seems more politically neutral. The other philosophical discussions are going nowhere,
because subjective truth as you say is an abstraction, and there "truly" is an honesty or perception lacking about a lot of things by too many people stumbling along and trying to find their own way there to "truth" that is anywhere near the real thing.

Neil - 22-2-2012 at 10:22

Quote: Originally posted by Rosco Bodine  
Quote: Originally posted by Neil  
Quote: Originally posted by Rosco Bodine  
More trolling is what that is. And yeah IrC and myself could probably both
make more constructive use of our time elsewhere. Nothing we say seems to be getting through.


I'm not sure how I was trolling..?





You can't accept the point. You have a "rebuttal" where there isn't one. But you just have to say something because it is a compulsion to reply and dispute what I said as having no validity when it is valid. It's like nobody can make an intelligent statement without that somehow threatening you that they may be right.

Your observation about separating "science" from aspects of philosophy and reasoning otherwise which you think somehow are contaminants to science is your own theory, and the idea that certain topics can safely be debated in whimsy is also incorrect.

[Edited on 22-2-2012 by Rosco Bodine]


I professes an opinion and am assumed to be arguing and destroying = troll? Quid ego dico?

Everyone has a different world view but to all NaCl is salt. To all it exhibits constants which can be verified measured and agreed upon. Where is the philosophy in a grain of salt?

I am not disputing nor rebutting because I am not in fact arguing. I bear no animosity nor desire to be correct only to expresses myself.

The point of whimsy was not that it was a chamber of safety and understanding but that it was a isolation tank for madness and whim, anything can be debated if the people debating are civil and willing to concede that winning is not the be all and end all BEFORE they start name calling. So long as the whim is in whimsy who cares. I have never requested to get in there because I have no desire to beat my head against the wall I want to discuss chemistry, I want to learn chemistry I want to take my skills further and further in chemistry and I want to see and hear about others doing the same.

My point about ethereal beer, I assume that is what you refer too, was that there is no general consensus amongst humans as to whether or not there is a ethereal beer, what sort of beer it is, how big is the mug, does it come with fries and how cold would this beer be, if there is beer.

Given that arguing over this is about the same as arguing over the taste of the sands on Pluto there is no relevant reason to discuss it so that by discussing it all that happens is that one contributes to disorder and exclusion of those who fancy wine or perhaps ginger ale.

So why do it?

This is a chemistry forum, why would it be reasonable to assume that everyone needs to be partial and familiar with everyone else's beliefs? There are many places for such discussion but it is truly trolling to force ones believes on another because one feels it is apt to do so.

Because of this it is logical to assume that excluding belief and focusing on common ground, chemistry, is the constructive thing to do. This is not a matter of silencing people or taking away their voice, this is a matter of people taking it upon them self to recognized that there is a time and a place for everything and this is not the place or time for that which is not for certain topics, namely all topics which detract from the point of the forum which is the discussion of chemistry.

Edit: posted this then saw your reply to me last reply even though I was still replying to your reply to my previous reply thus making this reply


[Edited on 22-2-2012 by Neil]

Pulverulescent - 22-2-2012 at 14:02

Look on the bright side, Neil!
It's been dumped into Detritus!
We're able, at last, to say goodbye to the moronic "Say Goodbye to Global Warming" shite . . .


P

IrC - 22-2-2012 at 17:11

Quote: Originally posted by Pulverulescent  
Look on the bright side, Neil!
It's been dumped into Detritus!
We're able, at last, to say goodbye to the moronic "Say Goodbye to Global Warming" shite . . .


P


Which proves to all that your only motive is to stop everyone from trying to have any form of reasonable discussion on the topic because you have made it perfectly clear you hate it and will stop at nothing to eliminate all discussion on the subject. I for one thought any subject where lives are being forever reduced in quality based upon an overwhelming fraud based agenda is something which deserves fair and open minded debate. Clearly you have decided it is your right to destroy at will any attempt to conduct such discussion by anyone. If I were the moderator of this site I would ban you and block your IP because it is not your right to destroy debate nor is it your right to decide who gets to discuss what on this site. The fact you are still here lowers in my mind the quality of administration of this site.

Pulverulescent - 23-2-2012 at 01:31

Quote:
If I were the moderator of this site I would ban you and block your IP because it is not your right to destroy debate nor is it your right to decide who gets to discuss what on this site. The fact you are still here lowers in my mind the quality of administration of this site.

Why don't you contact Polverone, IrC; I'm sure he'll be only too glad to relinquish control of his site and place the reins in your very capable hands? (:D)

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IrC - 23-2-2012 at 02:04

Why should I. In 7 years I have never contacted anyone to complain. I am not one of those wienie's that has to whine to authority figures I handle my own affairs. My only point was if there are even the most minimum of standards you should be history. Go ahead and keep making replies I am done with you and the malignancy you exude.

Pulverulescent - 23-2-2012 at 02:23

Quote:
Go ahead and keep making replies I am done with you and the malignancy you exude.

Yeah! You know how it is IrC, my life is sooo sad the only pleasures left to me come from winding up the seriously 'tough guys'!
Ooops! Another puddle! (:D)

P

Polverone - 23-2-2012 at 08:55

Quote: Originally posted by Pulverulescent  
Quote:
Go ahead and keep making replies I am done with you and the malignancy you exude.

Yeah! You know how it is IrC, my life is sooo sad the only pleasures left to me come from winding up the seriously 'tough guys'!
Ooops! Another puddle! (:D)

P


Your pleasure is sapping my strength. Please find another place to practice it. I reviewed your posting history and it turns out that you do contribute to actual chemistry threads, but this is the sort of thing I see more often -- perhaps because this is the sort of thing that shows up in highly contentious threads I have to moderate.

Pulverulescent - 23-2-2012 at 09:26

Sorry Polverone, I was pushing the boys around a bit . . .
I'll be nicer to them in future! (:))

P

GreenD - 23-2-2012 at 09:59

I think eventually this argumentation is coming down to two groups of people. Yes I have grouped us!

The sophists; those who believe that individualism is divine, and that their rights and judgements should never be questioned by others. Their pursuit of pleasure is their own path, and the effects there-of on others should not stop them from pursuing pleasure [materialism]. Furthermore, this can be argued in a divine light (thank you Rosco).

The COMMIES; those who believe that the actions of any individual may affect the whole, and be detrimental to the whole, and that the individual's pursuit of pleasure should regard and respect the opinions of others. Furtheremore, no divine right is needed in this side of the paradigm.

I win!

watson.fawkes - 23-2-2012 at 10:44

Quote: Originally posted by GreenD  
I think eventually this argumentation is coming down to two groups of people. Yes I have grouped us! [...] I win!
No, you don't win. And no, I deny your grouping. I'm not in either of the clubs you name. It's asinine, purely divisive, and immature: "I'm entirely right; everyone else is entirely wrong." And thus your two "groups": me and not-me.

There's a much more important distinction available: that between those who deny scientific results and those who don't. There's still plenty of room to disagree about how to act based on the results of science, true, but you've gone and made rhetorical allies between deniers and realists. That's just plain stupid, because it harms your own cause.

watson.fawkes - 23-2-2012 at 11:00

Quote: Originally posted by GreenD  
No i did win you're just not on my level to see. See?
Rosco Bodine's true error was bickering with a solipsist. That's just never worth doing.

GreenD - 23-2-2012 at 11:44

I haven't attempted to really argue with Rosco ever since his "I've had just about enough of you're 'thinking' " comment. Now I've just been trolling.

Bot0nist - 23-2-2012 at 11:53

Quote: Originally posted by GreenD  
I haven't attempted to really argue with Rosco ever since his "I've had just about enough of you're 'thinking' " comment. Now I've just been trolling.


So, your admittedly a troll? Is that something you take pride in? At least your honest. Maybe you can get a custom title, "Troll and Proud", or "Self Proclaimed Troll."

GreenD - 23-2-2012 at 11:58

I admit I have trolled, specifically with IrC and Rosco. I get carried away sometimes... Its all in good fun.
I try very hard to keep from trolling in serious posts, and delete them if someone points them out as unnecessary.

I am very bored at my job.

Bot0nist - 23-2-2012 at 12:03

Quote: Originally posted by GreenD  


I am very bored at my job.


Me too, but I try to stick to science on this forum...

[Edited on 24-2-2012 by Bot0nist]

Rosco Bodine - 23-2-2012 at 22:06

This whole episode seems like a bad drama forum soap opera parallel to the Chronicles of Riddick ....where forum trolls are the necromonger collective who are trying to "convert" the unbelievers into more necromongers and disappear them to the underverse "parallel reality" that isn't this reality. Pulverulescent is like Lord Marshal of the Necromonger "troll collective", torn between this reality and the underverse where hissingnoise awaits, and here and now IrC is Riddick the Furyan. I seem to be an envoy for the Elementals who have brought the reckoning by proxy and am somewhat bemused by the irony of it all. Of course detritus is Crematoria where some have a kinship with the tunnel dogs, and others are not so lucky. I'm not sure who is the tunnel dog, maybe it is a manitou or totem and symbolic avatar for a higher power :D

[Edited on 24-2-2012 by Rosco Bodine]

Pulverulescent - 24-2-2012 at 03:47

Water off the proverbial duck's back, young Rosco . . . (:D)
But don't let anything I say stop you! :cool:

P

Bot0nist - 24-2-2012 at 07:36

Quote: Originally posted by Bot0nist  
Quote: Originally posted by GreenD  
I haven't attempted to really argue with Rosco ever since his "I've had just about enough of you're 'thinking' " comment. Now I've just been trolling.


So, your admittedly a troll? Is that something you take pride in? At least your honest. Maybe you can get a custom title, "Troll and Proud", or "Self Proclaimed Troll."



Ha!, you got that custom title GreenD! That's awesome. I'm literally crying right now. :D

Love this site.:)

Neil - 24-2-2012 at 08:49

Quote: Originally posted by Bot0nist  
Quote: Originally posted by Bot0nist  
Quote: Originally posted by GreenD  
I haven't attempted to really argue with Rosco ever since his "I've had just about enough of you're 'thinking' " comment. Now I've just been trolling.


So, your admittedly a troll? Is that something you take pride in? At least your honest. Maybe you can get a custom title, "Troll and Proud", or "Self Proclaimed Troll."



Ha!, you got that custom title GreenD! That's awesome. I'm literally crying right now. :D

Love this site.:)




My day has been made :D.

GreenD - 24-2-2012 at 09:26

This is awesome. I am honored. Thank you all.

Rosco Bodine - 24-2-2012 at 10:23

Quote: Originally posted by Pulverulescent  
Water off the proverbial duck's back, young Rosco . . . (:D)
But don't let anything I say stop you! :cool:

P


You are a real white water rafting kind of guy aren't you.
Let me recommend to you Niagara Falls, that ought to be a real kick for you huh, especially the flying leap that will bring the ultimate excitement

In the meanwhile, go full screen and fall into this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQalkIeE7s Sirius / Eye In The Sky - APP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gondjza0sUs Wrapped Around Your Finger - The Police

Lord Marshal of the Necromonger Troll Collective ......
you are busted..... and IrC broke off the blade

[Edited on 24-2-2012 by Rosco Bodine]

Pulverulescent - 24-2-2012 at 11:28

Quote:
You are a real white water rafting kind of guy aren't you.

Many's a truth uttered in 'jest', Rosco . . . (:D)

P

Rosco Bodine - 24-2-2012 at 13:21

I see, so you were only joking. It was probably my misunderstanding you were serious saying that already advanced western free societies should be sacrificed for reason of their successes and prosperity, so that third world despots and their collectives of basically what is slave labor could be subsidized in all their environmentally wreckless endeavors. I'm sure I could dig up a quote by you to that effect if you like.

On a lighter note, the current circumstance for NASA doesn't make sense in that the space shuttle program would be discontinued when no replacement upgrade capability has been brought online. There are security reasons why a spaceflight mission capability should be at all times available.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCWfrD45xjg NASA tribute

A similar kind of counterintuitive thinking is being applied to too many other
matters of basic business that are nuts and bolts down to earth concerns. The blowback from all of it is going to be like a backdraft coming straight at the
"arsonist turned hero" who opens the door to intervene and "save" his own victims.






Pulverulescent - 25-2-2012 at 17:10

Continuing the lighter vein Rosco, and completely off-topic, your mention of arson reminds me of my childhood fascination with fire.
The countryside I lived in then was, everywhere, dotted with quite large furze bushes and ya shudda' seen them things burn . . .
I once, with a little help from others almost as mad as I, turned a placid field into what looked like the aftermath of a great tank battle.
Kursk would have come close!
One wide area of bush had a long, dark tunnel in it from cattle walking through and I ran, carrying a crackling 'torch' of dried furze through the tunnel, lighting the roof as I went.
The deep, red flames danced into the sky, the heat was intense and the dense, black smoke could be seen from several towns.
I can just remember being 'told off' by all and sundry but it's the great spectacle I remember clearest.
Shortly thereafter, I discovered the famed chlorate weedkiller . . .

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Rosco Bodine - 26-2-2012 at 13:32

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJzxWTtvohA It May Be A Fire - MB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv3RuTLzLHQ The Voice - MB

Life is a school Love is the lesson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=NtUyq6C3bZQ Have You Heard - MB

[Edited on 26-2-2012 by Rosco Bodine]

peach - 26-3-2012 at 03:08

Quote: Originally posted by Polverone  

The top user of 'pussy' and variants is peach.


I do try. :P

Pulverulescent - 26-3-2012 at 05:30

To just use that word . . . or? (:D)

Goorlap - 29-3-2012 at 03:21

welcome sciencesquirrel ;)

Ephoton - 2-4-2012 at 07:54

hey peach that pic of the girl in the stripy color socks :)

killer man killer .