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CISPA: A complete destruction of our privacy

rollercoaster158 - 5-5-2012 at 16:19

CISPA, or the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, passed back in April 26. This bill enforces tracking of all Internet activity, and allows that information to be used against you. Check these links for more info:

We have got to do something before it's too late.

Pyridinium - 6-5-2012 at 13:57

Put it this way. If they want you, they can already get you. Did you see that article in Wired about that new NSA data warehousing facility? Technologically, it sounds quite impressive.

The temptation for all this technology was simply too irresistible, I guess. Combine that with the fact that many people believe you are "free" as long as you can still watch television, and it's no wonder we're headed in the direction we are.

I guess the question that modern citizens should be asking is, "hey, your surveillance is nifty and all, but how do we prohibit you from building Room 101?" That prohibition has to be permanent and inflexible, and it has to carry stiff penalties. Otherwise the trends will simply "progress", inexorably, to a bad place. This issue will not be given the attention it needs, of course. Television beckons!

The hope with all this data sharing is that you have decent people running it. Gauging from the things that happened in Russia, circa 1919 to '52, that's not a given.

I do believe the President should veto this, of course, but like I said, the mechanisms are already there to share, data-mine, and pretty much examine each and every person out there. I guess when you have a complex industrialized society like ours, it becomes sort of inevitable that the protection mechanisms would become onerous.

What can you do? I don't like them sifting through my K-Mart receipts either, but if that prevents imaginations from running wild, then I guess that's the trade.

By the way, private companies are often touted as the cure-all for government bureaucracy, but anyone who's ever dealt with touch-tone menus knows these companies can be unbelievably incompetent. By the time the government gives itself permission to get all your data from the private sector (they already could get most) these companies have already leaked it to any number of telemarketers and cybercriminals.

Vogelzang - 6-5-2012 at 15:55

One time when I was at the whitehouse a secret service agent asked me what I was doing here down from Philadelphia. I told him I have never been there in my entire life. After they looked some more at my information, they probably realized it was filled with mistakes and bogus information. With the government doing this, its bound to get screwed up.

[Edited on 6-5-2012 by Vogelzang]

rollercoaster158 - 6-5-2012 at 16:59

Quote: Originally posted by Vogelzang  
One time when I was at the whitehouse a secret service agent asked me what I was doing here down from Philadelphia. I told him I have never been there in my entire life. After they looked some more at my information, they probably realized it was filled with mistakes and bogus information. With the government doing this, its bound to get screwed up.

[Edited on 6-5-2012 by Vogelzang]

Hey, maybe we can use this to our advantage. Give bogus credidentials to the websites you use. If the government goes looking for you they'll get confused!

chemrox - 6-5-2012 at 20:02

The main thrust of CISPA is to give the film and music industries leverage to punish p2p networks. It show how far the corporate oligarchy has taken over what we used to call a republic. I'll make a prediction. More energy than ever will go into virus and trojan horse creation. A few people will get prosecuted for copyright violations. Most americans will stay asleep and think its fair and a good idea. A few more of us will move to countries that are freer or more affordable.

gregxy - 6-5-2012 at 20:31

Actually this is the same thing that it always is with government. A way to give us "services" that we don't need so that they can have a reason to tax us more!!

Creating a police state would benefit no one (unless you allow the government
to seize the private property of offenders). Putting working people in jail only reduces the tax base. Of course you can put losers in jail but we already have the war on drugs for that.

However if you can convince the sheeple there is a threat out there then you can hire people to defend against it, hire bureaucrats to manage them and the old bureaucrats can manage the new bureaucrats which of course mean the old ones need to be paid even more. (I guess I have become a libertarian).

An of course we need to make the world save for the technological dinosaurs.

[Edited on 7-5-2012 by gregxy]

franklyn - 12-5-2012 at 23:05

Excerpt from the article

" With ‘hotwatch orders,’ government agents are able to write their own administrative
subpoenas to surveil US citizens; they request the records of phone companies,
Internet service providers, video rentals, and even frequent flier / customer loyalty
programs at airlines and grocery stores.

Without court oversight, the subpoenas do not even need to be part of an ongoing
investigation or suspicion of criminal wrongdoing; US federal agents can simply decide
that a particular individual should be tracked, and then compel private companies to
provide a real time feed of his/her activities.

Frequently, the administrative subpoenas are accompanied by gag orders that prevent
the company from notifying its customer that they had been served with a subpoena.
More than likely, the customer will never know that his/her records are being
instantaneously relayed to a federal agent.

The thing is, these hotwatch orders are not expressly authorized under US law;
federal agents are capitalizing on loose language in existing laws that allow them to
write administrative subpoenas in certain instances… and they’re taking that limited
authority to extremes."

Without oversight or disclosure who can say how far this may extend.


franklyn - 26-5-2012 at 17:38

Oh this gets better and better

Keywords monitored on Social Networking Sites by the Dept. of Homeland Security

Keywords monitored.gif - 33kB

from page 20 - 21 of the operational manual , section 2.13. Keywords & Search Terms
Get it here =>
A V A I L A B L I L I T Y . E X P I R E S . 3 . D A Y S . A F T E R . L A S T . D O W N L O A D

If you have ever posted to Sciencemadness rest assured you are listed as a person
of interest in Skynet. Can Sarah Connor save the earth ?


CHRIS25 - 27-5-2012 at 00:29

Come to Ireland - caves galore! Disguise yourself as a sheep - you'll never be noticed...

Hexavalent - 5-6-2012 at 08:42

Or as a cow/sheepdog/tree/bush/farmer here in North would raise their eyebrows.

I love how, on the last listing of the Hazmat section, they list 'North Korea'....

franklyn - 13-6-2012 at 09:31

franklyn - 19-8-2012 at 07:21

Is the west in danger of becoming like East Germany during the communist reign ?
redirects to _

related posts and links _

From post just above here _

You'll have to tolerate the advertisments to view this


franklyn - 27-11-2012 at 16:23

Rosco Bodine - 3-12-2012 at 21:20

Here is a related story on planned internet "regulations" and surveillance, which shows that evidently CISPA has a global counterpart which is like the planetary Big Brother "mother ship". WRT the Big Brother "mother ship" it would be reasonable to conclude it is manned of course by global directorate mother effers, or would that be "staffers" bureaucratic directorate personnel....who would be the watchers and shepherds over all the hordes of sheeple on the global plantation know the "inmates" who are subjects and inhabitants of the various "circuit branches" of the global plantation and global grid that is the world wide web "matrix". Is that a pretty fair assessment of what the statist control freak utopianist "masterminds" are now up to ?????

[Edited on 5-12-2012 by Rosco Bodine]

franklyn - 6-12-2012 at 00:07

Following up to this post

NSA e-mail omnipresent surveillance

There are ethical people in government , recall that William Mark Felt ,
Associate Director of Federal Bureau of Investigation revealed to the
Washington Post the extent of lawless action sponsored by President
Richard M. Nixon.
In 1980 , Felt was convicted of the felony of violating the civil rights
of people thought to be associated with members of the Weather
Underground Organization , by ordering FBI agents to search their
homes as part of an attempt to prevent bombings , absent the
required warrant , but enacted with probable cause.

This ethic is also evident in this pledge cited in the foreword of
Where's What : Sources of Information for Federal Investigators
Harry J. Murphy , Office of Security , Central Intelligence Agency
" An Investigator must ever realize his tremendous responsibility.
On the one hand he is dealing with a most precious commodity
- a man's career - and on the other hand he is working to the
good of the United States Government. He must conduct his
inquiries in such a way as to never do disservice to either."


Rosco Bodine - 9-12-2012 at 22:28

Here is more commentary on the ITU conference where the UN is seeking "police state authority" over the internet as one part of its tyrannical global governance scheme, which seeks ultimately to regulate and control EVERYTHING. Gee could there be something sinister about this level of "statism" ? Do you really think that the UN is diligently working to be a guardian of individual liberty and freedom and only seeks to serve such noble purposes or would it seem more likely they have something very different in mind for the worlds people ? ( that different idea being that the worlds people do what they are TOLD by the UN )
"a shared vision of how to create a harmonious international environment, that will continue to drive the innovation that is the lifeblood of the ITT sector" ????

Strip away the propaganda euphemisms and what the UN secretary general is actually talking about and advocating is global Big Brother controlling the web and turning the web into the same censored and brainwashing propaganda ministry as has already become network television and most of radio and print media. Journalism is nearly completely dead and now the statist control freaks are going after that communication medium where any surviving honest commentary resides...which is the internet.

A bit of Kipling for your pleasure

[Edited on 10-12-2012 by Rosco Bodine]

Rosco Bodine - 20-12-2012 at 20:04

WCIT conference subversive censorship agenda was busted, Dubai talks derailed by failure of concensus on "new regulations", a good result for the continued free internet ....censorship desiring and enabling regulations are being marginalized and defunded :D

franklyn - 28-5-2013 at 05:09

Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) ( HR 624 ) ,
as currently worded
Now pending Senate enactment , passed the House by a vote of 288 - 127
on 18 April 2013

Sweeping new legislation to profit by, as cyber security becomes the
new Defense establishment. Read about U N I C O R N here _

Ah the land of the free, gotta love it.

The National Defense Authorization Act ( NDAA ) ( HR 4310 ) ( S.3254 )
and the Indefinite Detention Act ( IDA ) enacted by the US Senate and
signed by President Obama on 31 Dec 2012 , allows the president of the
United States to use the military on US soil to arrest and detain indefinitely
any US citizen without cause or trial. Hear him tell it _

Why would you need to , unless you're expecting trouble ,
and why would you expect it to come to that ?
Wasn't this done to Japanese americans , if it was wrong
in restrospect to do this then , what exactly makes it
right to do again now ?
I guess you have to be a lawyer in the employ of our
government to understand this kind of logic huh.

related dementia
same as above

couldn't happen here right , naa.
Just lone conspiracy ' nuts ' in the wilderness.
Get the paper here

If you are unheeding and dismissive of these troubling events
you're a poor pretense for an american.

" None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."


[Edited on 28-5-2013 by franklyn]

ElectroWin - 28-5-2013 at 09:23

I treat my internet use as very much like walking down the street. it's public, and there are many places for people to observe me; balance this with the fact that 300 people on the Internet have the same name as me. While amateur "investigators" are bound to screw up, i kind of like the deniability it affords.

Cou - 29-5-2013 at 13:01

I always imagine the stupid FBI agents and police watching what we do like this:

FBI agent: Errr, look at this person, he's been posting on a chemistry forum about dihydrogen monoxide, I say we raid his house.
Agent 2: I agree, that sounds like a very dangerous chemical

elementcollector1 - 29-5-2013 at 13:02

Curse that DHMO - it shows up everywhere!
On a side note, I thought this bill died a while ago - did they revive it under new terms again?

Rosco Bodine - 7-6-2013 at 22:24

Rosco Bodine - 9-6-2013 at 12:05

Big Brass Ones your service

Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind the NSA surveillance revelations

The 29-year-old source behind the biggest intelligence leak in the NSA's history explains his motives, his uncertain future and why he never intended on hiding in the shadows

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[Edited on 9-6-2013 by Rosco Bodine]

Rosco Bodine - 10-6-2013 at 08:48

Click on the picture

franklyn - 11-6-2013 at 04:42

Rosco Bodine - 11-6-2013 at 14:33

It isn't just the communications of individuals that have been made subject to unlawful and unconstitutional domestic espionage, "authorized" under the subversive "patriot act" in the name of "state security", but businesses have had all of their records massively copied, archived, and searched too.

gregxy - 11-6-2013 at 17:11

Computers and cameras are everywhere.

If you go into Walmart and buy a box of ammo with your credit card you can probably be assured that NSA now knows that you are a gun owner.

To check your mental state see which drugs you purchased
at the drug store.

Data from business is probably more useful and has less legal protection. It also appears that the businesses are keeping quite. They are ordered to and it would hurt their sales if folks knew they were handing over this information.

If you are really interesting, they can find you if you pay with cash. Many stores have cameras recording all the transactions and your photo and finger prints are recorded as part of your drivers license. With face recognition software the whole process could be automated.

You have to wonder how effective this process is. Sophisticated terrorists probably know stuff this already and would find ways to avoid it. However it would be a great way to identify potential threats and request more money to investigate them further.

[Edited on 12-6-2013 by gregxy]

franklyn - 13-6-2013 at 08:09

Intelligence is not as often believed , a trait you have , it is
what you do to obtain information on what can affect you.

Intelligence noted previously

Current circumstances may present a buy oportunity like that in 2009

Sweeping new legislation to profit by, as cyber security becomes the
new Defense establishment. Read about U N I C O R N here _


So far Keywave disclosed above is flying under the radar ,
quote from page 9 _

" Unicorn and KEYWAVE don’t have anything to do with
providing “ network security ” – they provide national security.
That’s why the shifts in security policy that come from Unicorn
will go substantially to KEYWAVE and not to anyone else."

Unicorn is the insider code word for CISPA
Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act ( HR 624 )
Now pending Senate enactment _
Financial disclosure

Company Profile Attachment: KEYW - Nasdaq.txt (5kB)
This file has been downloaded 571 times


Rosco Bodine - 13-6-2013 at 08:44

franklyn - 16-6-2013 at 14:35

Can All These Wistleblowers be wrong !

Thomas Drake interview

Mark Klein interview on Snowden

Previously posted account of William Binney

An essay on interesting times , as the chinese say

How soon before people will be shot in the back of the head facing a ditch ?
Same video here _

Attachment: Liar Liar pants on fire.txt (5kB)
This file has been downloaded 670 times

Savior or bold faced liar , you decide

Clinical Psychology of Barack Obama

Analysis Barack Obama (Part 1)

Analysis Barack Obama (Part 2)

Analysis Barack Obama (Part 3)

Analysis Barack Obama (Part 4)

Analysis Barack Obama (Part 5)


Krupp was a great buy in the 1930's

Snowden's employer should be too ( I already spoke of KEYW Corp. above )


Booz Allen Hamilton Inc. is engaged in providing management and technology consulting
services to the U.S. government in the defense, intelligence and civil markets. Technological
services offered by the Company include Cyber technologies, SE&I, Systems development
and Strategic technology and innovation. Its major clients include the Department of Defense,
all branches of the U.S. military, the U.S. Intelligence Community (NSA), and civil agencies
such as the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Energy, the Department
of Health and Human Services, the Department of the Treasury and the Environmental
Protection Agency.

Read at " To summarize "
Never mind what they say , watch the chart. Total money is shrinking.
Would you say this economy is improving ?
Fool me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on me.

This wednesday 19 is the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC).
Expect the eternal support , but beware signs of waning support.


Rosco Bodine - 17-6-2013 at 16:42

franklyn - 20-6-2013 at 22:12

Top secret documents illustrate what Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court FISA
actually does – and does not do , when purporting to engage in ' oversight ' over
the NSA's domestic spying. That process lacks many of the safeguards that Obama ,
the House Republicans , and various media defenders of the NSA are trying to lead
the public to believe exist.

Democratic senators such as Ron Wyden and Mark Udall spent years asking the
NSA: how many Americans are having their telephone calls listened to and emails
read by you without individualized warrants ? Unlike the current attempts to
convince Americans that the answer is ' none ', the NSA repeatedly refused to
provide any answers.

Contrary to the claims by NSA defenders that the surveillance being conducted is
legal , the Obama Department Of Justice has repeatedly thwarted any efforts to
obtain judicial rulings on whether this law is consistent with the Fourth Amendment
or otherwise legal. Every time a lawsuit is brought contesting the legality of
intercepting American's communications without warrants , the Obama Department
Of Justice raises claims of secrecy , standing and immunity to prevent any such
determination from being made.

The FBI is investigating whether the highly protected and segregated computer
systems that store the secret court warrants authorizing electronic surveillance
inside the United States have been breached.

Those who receive the warrant are not allowed ' to disclose to any other person
' except to carry out its terms or receive legal advice about it , and any person
seeing it for those reasons is also legally bound not to disclose the order.
Lawmakers and staff lawyers on the House and Senate intelligence committees
can only view the warrants in the presence of Justice Department attorneys ,
and are prohibited from taking notes on the documents.


Witness to Nazification

They Thought They Were Free
By Milton Mayer ( excerpts )

What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people , little by little , to being
governed by surprise ; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret ; to believing that the
situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the
people could not understand , or so dangerous that , even if he people could understand
it , it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification
with Hitler , their trust in him , made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who
would otherwise have worried about it.

To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it , unless one has a much
greater degree of political awareness , acuity , than most of us had ever had occasion
to develop. Each step was so small , so inconsequential , so well explained or, on
occasion ,' regretted ,' that , unless one were detached from the whole process from
the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle , what all
these ' little measures ' that no ' patriotic German ' could resent must some day lead
to , one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the
corn growing.

Pastor Niemoller spoke for the thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke
and said that , when the Nazis attacked the Communists , he was a little uneasy , but ,
after all , he was not a Communist , and so he did nothing : and then they attacked the
Socialists , and he was a little uneasier , but , still , he was not a Socialist , and he did
nothing ; and then the schools , the press , the Jews , and so on , and he was always
uneasier , but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church , and he was a
Churchman , and he did something - but then it was too late."

Each act , each occasion , is worse than the last , but only a little worse. You wait for
the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion , thinking that
others , when such a shock comes , will join with you in resisting somehow. You don't
want to act , or even to talk alone ; it is not just fear of standing alone , that restrains
you ; it is also genuine uncertainty.

You're told , ' It's not so bad ' or ' You're seeing things ' or ' You're an alarmist.'
And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this , and you can't prove it.
These are the beginnings , yes ; but how do you know for sure when you don't know the
end , and how do you know , or even surmise , the end ? On the one hand , your enemies ,
the law , the regime , the Party , intimidate you. On the other , your colleagues pooh-pooh
you as pessimistic or even neurotic.

“ What we learn from history is that we do not learn from history ”
― Benjamin Disraeli


franklyn - 22-6-2013 at 09:05

A towering figure largely unremembered now , Telford Taylor
was cheif prosecutor of the 1946 Nuremberg war crimes trials.
Dramatized here in the excellent 1961 film
' Judgement at Nuremberg '. C L I C K on the Picture _

" Between 2001 and 2012 , judges of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court
( FISA ) approved 20,909 surveillance and property search warrants - an average
of 33 a week. During that 12-year period , the judges denied just 10 applications.
Prosecutors withdrew another 26 applications.

" The judges are hand picked by John Roberts , Chief Justice of the Supreme
Court who , through his votes on the Supreme Court , we have come to learn
has a particular view on civil liberties and law enforcement ," "The way the FISA
is set up , it gives him unchecked authority to put judges on the court who feel
the same way he does."


franklyn - 25-6-2013 at 23:27

‘ News ’, is something which somebody wants suppressed , all the rest is advertising. ’
— William Randolph Hearst


franklyn - 27-6-2013 at 22:22

Conscience defeats duplicity - 16 examples cited


Rosco Bodine - 29-6-2013 at 15:17

:o :D

franklyn - 30-6-2013 at 13:41

Blocking servicemen from viewing publicly outed secrets is ' network hygiene '.
If that's anything like ' racial hygiene ' we got trouble.

" the army is filtering some access to press coverage and online content about the NSA leaks "

" The army stressed its actions were automatic and would not affect computers outside military facilities."

" The department does not determine what sites its personnel can choose to visit while on a DoD system,
but instead relies on automated filters that restrict access based on content concerns or malware threats,"

" The DoD is also not going to block websites from the American public in general,"

" The Department of Defense routinely takes preventative measures to mitigate
unauthorized disclosures of classified information onto DoD unclassified networks."

The only ones kept in the dark is the American public and mostly the servicemen.
Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy.

Europeans surely feel that way about PRISM !

In case you missed these related posts _


Interesting counterintelligence

That there exists collaboration in the sharing of intelligence is nothing new ,
so nothing new is ' revealed '. However it does afford an opportunity to cast
doubt on the sources of similar information. The conclusion we are led to is
that wackos are the Guardian's news sources. Wackos we might add , at the
service of the government precisely to be ' weird ' and taint by association
anything that it wants suppressed or discredited. Slimy scum bags.

Remeber what I said _
Truth is elemental , it cannot be created nor destroyed , it can only
be suppressed or adultered. Precluded from doing the former , one
can only perpetrate the latter.

* Note the Google cache of this was available earlier but it's been since purged.!



Maybe now Snowden can get asylum in Germany or France :D.

[Edited on 1-7-2013 by franklyn]

franklyn - 1-7-2013 at 16:22


[Edited on 2-7-2013 by franklyn]

roamingnome - 1-7-2013 at 16:52

open Wi-Fi
is the only way to go

but everybody is WEP encrypting these days. My can tenna is proving less and less useful...

of course i uncloak when i order things over the internet and check emails.

my cell phone is not in my name.. but i called my father for fathers day....

hmmm i guess im screwed...... i am not JAck Reacher

franklyn - 8-7-2013 at 22:18

" Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it "
— William Pitt Earl of Chatham

" It is not only the slave or serf who is ameliorated in becoming free ,
the master himself did not gain less in every point of view ,
for absolute power corrupts the best natures."
— Alphonse Marie Louis de Prat de Lamartine

" Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Great men are almost always bad men."
— Lord John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton


testimento - 9-7-2013 at 20:23

I must use tor bundle browser to go around, I am even on it right now on this site. My government may have tapped my internet connection for a reason I cannot tell now but this is effective way to avoid it. My friend know guy who works in the office and he discussed and told that tapping anyone's internet traffic is just a matter of single phone call.

Virtual security can easily be gained with using fully encrypted computers, tor network, high quality firewall, linux-based OS, etc. No NSA or other shitty-hitty will sneek on your traffic when it has been encrypted with strongest algorithms there are. I believe, because of this, it is even a good thing because when people get aware, companies will start to offer high security services for people and people will get them and soon everything in internet is encrypted and the governments are out once again.

halogen - 10-7-2013 at 05:23

The thing i never saw mentioned is that what collects information nationally and internationally and runs algorithms - seems a perfect way to undermine Tor.

[Edited on 10-7-2013 by halogen]

franklyn - 7-9-2013 at 04:04

Chris Hedges lawsuit on NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act)

Ruling injunction ( opinion and order )

United States District Court , Southern District of New York
grants plaintiffs’ motion and permanently enjoins enforcement
of § 1021(b)(2) of the NDAA (referred to herein as “§ 1021(b)(2)”).
Pg. 12
The Constitution places affirmative limits on the power of the Executive
to act , and these limits apply in times of peace as well as times of war.
See , e.g., Ex parte Milligan , 72 U.S. (4 Wall.) 2 , 125-26 ( 1866 ).
Heedlessly to refuse to hear constitutional challenges to the Executive’s
conduct in the name of deference would be to abdicate this Court’s
responsibility to safeguard the rights it has sworn to uphold.
Pg. 111
The Government did not put forward any evidence at trial that it needed
the statute for law enforcement efforts; in contrast, plaintiffs did present
evidence that First Amendment rights have already been harmed and will
be harmed by the prospect of § 1021(b)(2) being enforced.
The public
has a strong and undoubted interest in the clear preservation of First
and Fifth Amendment rights.

The practice of amateur science is rendered silly and inconsequential tripe
at the prospect of despotism prevailing throughout the world , vanquishing
all human culture. Anyone feeling a lack of control in their life , comes from
having made little or no effort to construct one of self choosing , accepting
the appearance of the rule of law without obstructing it by counteraction.
Unplug the bananas from your ears. Game plan outlined 30 years ago _
What military and law enforcement can do to obviate calamity
They'll take my constitution when it's pryed from my cold dead fingers.
The Chicago way

" The time is now near at hand which must probably determine , whether
Americans are to be , Freemen , or Slaves ; whether they are to have any
property they can call their own ; whether their Houses , and Farms , are
to be pillaged and destroyed , and they consigned to a state of wretchedness
from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn
millions will now depend , under God , on the courage and conduct of this army "
— Gen. George Washington, to his troops before the battle of ( Brooklyn ) Long Island

" Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization.
- the life of the world may move forward into broad , sunlit uplands.
But if we fail , then the whole world , including the United States ,
including all that we have known and cared for,
will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age "
— Winston Churchill — June 18 1940


40 years later and the same old shit.

On 21 September 1970 , Allende had been declared victor of clean elections ,
but before he took over the presidency , after a fruitless effort by Chilean
conservatives and their US allies to have the victory declared unconstitutional ,
Edward Korry , the US ambassador in Santiago , reported to Henry Kissinger ,
the foreign strategist of President Richard Nixon: " Once Allende comes to
power we shall do all within our power to condemn Chile and the Chileans
to utmost deprivation and poverty."

excerpted from here _

Unilateral military intrusion into another country's internal affairs is anarchy ,
not order under international law. It's the predominance of rule by gangsters.
A world of united nations which tacitly assents preemptive military force has
failed to perform its primary purpose , to keep the peace. Primary evidence
that a ' One World Government ' will scourge the just existence of nation states.
Barry Soetoro , Nobel peace prize winner , cannot contain his jingoist imperative
for a pretext to have yet another war to replace the ones ongoing , which are
presently winding down. Whatever the pretext , it is the inane incipient shibboleth
that permits the legion of the morally bankrupt and intellectually destitute to rally
to an ill defined cause which they know not what it's for , all they know is what
they're against. The light of present day civilization is the reluctance of even the
sheeple in the headlights to give approval to the equivalent of a drive by shooting.

My cynical thought on this is that it is intended to kill off identified remnants of
the American military that could oppose the imposition of the federalist martial
police state here in the U.S.. Those U.S. states that could pose resistance and
field para military and police , can be marginalized without branch services support.


[Edited on 8-9-2013 by franklyn]

franklyn - 30-9-2013 at 03:53

Dwight D Eisenhower on the Military Inductrial Complex


An error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it.
— Orlando A. Battista

John F. Kennedy on the cult of secrecy


Robert Welch warnings
John Birch Society


jock88 - 9-11-2013 at 16:57

Do mobile broadband modems leave a signature trail or is it just the sim card that can be traceable if using these devices for connecting to internet?

chemrox - 9-11-2013 at 17:09

rollercoaster is right we should all be writing and fighting this. Call reps. The internet boycott and protests two years ago worked. We can't relax. There's always been a power structure opposed to personal liberty. It's irresponsible to ignore it.

franklyn - 14-11-2013 at 21:49


leu - 30-12-2013 at 14:14

Jacob Applebaum's presentation at the Chaos Communications Conference earlier today:

the related Der Spiegel articles are attached :cool:

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[Edited on 30-12-2013 by leu]

leu - 1-1-2014 at 09:22

Some more videos of presentations from the recent conference:

of the Chaos Communications Congress :cool:

Systemic deception

franklyn - 8-1-2014 at 10:07

I actually wonder about the ' mistake ' , that's one way to blow the whistle but retain deniability.


Yes, it's a conspiracy

franklyn - 20-7-2014 at 13:32


Playing catch up

franklyn - 30-7-2014 at 21:07


Are you a Terrorist ?

franklyn - 13-8-2014 at 22:03

March 2013 Watchlisting Guidance

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Snowdens breaking point