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Ebay supplier - legit or not?

barley81 - 23-5-2012 at 11:48

Hmm... Doesn't this eBay store look fishy? 100g Se for 16 pounds? It's very hard to believe.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/jarmondbrinkley/m.html?_nkw=&_...

hissingnoise - 23-5-2012 at 11:53

Why would he not be legit ─ check his feedback?

barley81 - 23-5-2012 at 12:28

Oh, sorry. In that case, the prices are extremely low! Sorry for starting an unnecessary thread, but at least others know about the seller now.

Mailinmypocket - 23-5-2012 at 14:26

I ordered from this seller before but I had to make a special inquiry for shipping to Canada because eBay only states that they ship to EU.

woelen - 23-5-2012 at 23:13

I have ordered many chemicals from this supplier and I am very happy with this. He has good prices and quite a few interesting chemicals. His selenium is indeed very cheap, but it is of good quality (he has different grades, you should take the 99.9x % stuff). Sometimes he also has Te and TeO2 of good purity, at other times he only has crude Te. Just check at regular intervals.

My best purchases from him were 200 grams of NH4ReO4 for just GBP 20 and 160 grams of RuO2 for GBP 40.

barley81 - 24-5-2012 at 11:47

He is offering 100g of pure Te for 12 GBP right now. Would you recommend purchasing selenium (powder, not beads) or purchasing tellurium for experiments? He also has 200g of sodium selenite for 12 GBP. I know these compounds are poisonous and cause you to smell very bad, and I have a gas mask for protection against fumes/dust. The mask has a NATO filter and I cannot smell anything through the filter when I breathe through it. I can also get 10g Te in crystalline lump form for USD 19 (including shipping). This might be safer because there is less risk of dust inhalation.

Mailinmypocket - 24-5-2012 at 12:05

A bit off topic but this seller has started selling titanium MMO mesh again after not having any for quite some time. I purchased some before and it works great for chlorate cells

reasonable price too!

Speaking of the seller who is providing the Se and Te, i would probably get some of both just because of the excellent prices, bought the Te powder today, can't wait!!

The powders are a little riskier as far as inhalation etc but it's easier to use them very carefully as opposed to trying to bust the lumps up into manageable sizes for experiments which is a b*tch (in the case of selenium anyways)

Lambda-Eyde - 24-5-2012 at 12:09

Quote: Originally posted by woelen

My best purchases from him were 200 grams of NH4ReO4 for just GBP 20 and 160 grams of RuO2 for GBP 40.

Alfa Aesar puts the perrhenate at 50000 NOK and the ruthenium oxide at 62000 NOK

Together, that's 14800 €, 11900 £ or 18700 $!! You could buy a car for that! That's an UNBELIEVABLE find, Woelen! No doubt you have to be extremely happy about it!

Have you tested the purities?

zoombafu - 24-5-2012 at 17:29

Those are some low prices!

woelen - 25-5-2012 at 01:49

@barley81: If you can afford, I would buy both the Se and Te powders, but if you can only afford one of these, then I would go for Se. Se has a more diverse chemistry than Te. I also purchased the Na2SeO3 from him. This material is of adequate purity, but not excellent. If you make a solution of the Na2SeO3, then you should allow any insoluble matter to settle at the bottom, before conducting experiments with it.

The Se-powder I have from him is of excellent quality.

@Lambda-Eyde: I did not know that these compounds are that expensive! I also made an estimate and estimated at EUR 5000 or so. Both chemicals are quite pure. The RuO2 dissolves in bleach when heated gently and gives a green solution (perruthenate, RuO4(-)), which on standing becomes red (ruthenate, RuO4(2-)). On acidification and addition of zinc powder I get deep blue solutions of Ru(II). According to literature these indeed are the typical reactions of ruthenium. So, these experiments confirm that indeed the material is mainly RuO2, but of course, it does not tell the real purity. I think, however, given the results I had, that it certainly must be 90% or better.
The NH4ReO4 is a white solid, which dissolves completely, albeit with some difficulty. NH4ReO4 only is sparingly soluble, somewhat like KMnO4. I have another sample of NH4ReO4 (5 grams for nearly EUR 50) and the NH4ReO4 from eBay shows the same reactions as the much more expensive material, so this confirms it is mainly NH4ReO4, but again, whether it is 90%, 95% or even better cannot easily be determined.

Anyway, yes, I am VERY happy with these finds. As soon as these finds were on eBay, I purchased all of the material. The NH4ReO4 was sold in 100 gram batches, 2 of them available and I purchased both of them and the RuO2 was sold in 80 gram batches, also 2 of them available. Lateron I have seen him sell 25 gram batches of NH4ReO4, but these were much more expensive (a few tens of pounds for 25 grams, while I only paid 10 pounds for 100 grams).

hyfalcon - 25-5-2012 at 11:08

I stumbled onto this site and thought I had gone to heaven. http://www.artcraftchemicals.com/products/
The metal salts section was especially interesting.

strontiumred - 26-5-2012 at 06:40

Artcraft is also totally legit. I have ordered several of these salts from them over the years and the stuff is high quality. They ship internationally too.

CHRIS25 - 26-5-2012 at 12:26

Quote: Originally posted by strontiumred

Artcraft is also totally legit. I have ordered several of these salts from them over the years and the stuff is high quality. They ship internationally too.

Darn not silver nitrate unfortunately....

adamsium - 27-5-2012 at 02:24

Quote: Originally posted by CHRIS25

Quote: Originally posted by strontiumred

Artcraft is also totally legit. I have ordered several of these salts from them over the years and the stuff is high quality. They ship internationally too.

Darn not silver nitrate unfortunately....

Silver nitrate is offered by a number of sellers on ebay for reasonable prices and in small quantities.

hyfalcon - 30-5-2012 at 16:15

Quote: Originally posted by strontiumred

Artcraft is also totally legit. I have ordered several of these salts from them over the years and the stuff is high quality. They ship internationally too.

I just got a quote from them today on 100 gms. of Hexachloroplatinic Acid, here's their reply:

$2900 delivered for 100 grams
Price good for 72 hrs

thxs,
-mj-

Does this sound like a good price? Considering the time and hassle of messing with aqua regia and acquiring the platinum. I don't know exactly how much mass you gain for the chlorination but this doesn't sound like a bad price.

woelen - 31-5-2012 at 00:01

Assuming the chemical is anhydrous H2PtCl6, this contains appr. 47 grams of platinum, so you pay appr. $60 per gram of Pt. Of course you also pay for the chemicals needed for making the hexachloroplatinic acid and the work of isolating and purifying it.

If it is the hexahydrate H2PtCl6.6H2O, then you have 37 grams of platinum in 100 grams of this chemical. So, you should ask the supplier whether it is the anhydrous salt or the hexahydrate.

I do not know the current price of platinum, but with this info you should be able to decide for yourself if this is a good price or not.

hyfalcon - 31-5-2012 at 02:14

It is the hexahydrate, sigh, I was hoping to cut some time, but with platinum down to around $1400/ounce, I guess I'm going scraping for platinum.

Speaking of eBay - Creepy

EssOilChem - 1-6-2012 at 04:40

This - wow, creepy "It puts the lotion on its skin, OR ELSE IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN!!!"

SM2 - 1-6-2012 at 10:05

This is a great seller, and he sells nothing even remotely suspicious (by nature and(or) quantity). Yeah, if he sold some thallium metal or salts in there, then there might be issues. Or if some of his elements were of certain isotopes, there might be issues. But as it is, this is a great seller - no worries.

barley81 - 1-6-2012 at 14:05

I bought 50g Se and 100g Te for a total of $42 shipped to the USA. I'm really pleased with the good prices. Otherwise I would have gotten only 10g Te for $14.95 and no Se at all.

Mailinmypocket - 1-6-2012 at 14:07

Quote: Originally posted by barley81

I bought 50g Se and 100g Te for a total of $42 shipped to the USA. I'm really pleased with the good prices. Otherwise I would have gotten only 10g Te for $14.95 and no Se at all.

I received my 100g of Te powder yesterday, really nicely packed and good quality

Enjoy yours!

Mixell - 11-6-2012 at 12:22

Just bought the following chemicals from him:

20g of:

TELLURIUM POWDER - Purity 99.99%
SELENIUM - Se 99.92%
TANTALUM METAL POWDER - Ta 98.96%
COBALT BORO-NEODECANOATE

100g of:
AMMONIUM PARATUNGSTATE - 99.98%
COBALT METAL High Grade - Co 99.9%+
NIOBIUM HYDROXIDE
VANADIUM ALUMINIUM - High Grade - V 90%+
MANGANESE METAL FLAKE - Mn 95.7%

50g of:
DIBUTYL TIN OXIDE - Purity 99.98%
DIBROMOPROPYL ETHER (C21H20Br8O2)
Sodium selenite

The cost including shipping was 72$.
I can't wait to rinse the vanadium-aluminium alloy in NaOH solution, hopefully obtaining pure vanadium.

mineralman - 15-6-2012 at 12:56

WARNING, The guy from lithuania selling chems makes mistakes.
I have recently been arrested for either/or manufacturing drugs or bomb componants, none of which is true.
I believe he has sent me two packages by mistake (addressed to me, but not for me). I know for a fact that one is deff miss labled and sent to me (sodium bromide), also during questioning, I was questioned about chemicals I do not own and never have done, I believe this to be the second package that is in the posession of the police.

I wont go into details as this may harm or influance any final desision by the police whilst they ponder what they do about the situation.

But I believe they are watching this guy, but as he fucks up orders and situations could/can arise from ordering from him, I HIGHLY RECOMEND YOU STAY WELL CLEAR OF THIS PERSON.

Being turfed out of your house for 4 days and being treated like a criminal is not fun MM

thats your feedback, make your own desision

[Edited on 15-6-2012 by mineralman]

Mixell - 15-6-2012 at 13:28

What guy from Lithuania?

anotheronebitesthedust - 15-6-2012 at 13:38

The police are just doing their job. If you pay taxes that is where your tax dollars go. Get over it.

If you're scared of getting a visit from the police you're probably doing something illegal. I've purchased both red phosphorus and iodine from redbestoffers.com and never had any problems.

mineralman - 15-6-2012 at 13:42

I dont remember his name off hand, and my bail conditions forbid me to engage in any activity surrounding chemicals.
Even though its not breaking them by looking into the situation, im not going to.
But the chems in question PHOTOGRAPHED NEXT TO A STERIO SPEAKER OR ON THE ARM OF SOME FURNITURE would ring alarm bells if my situation is anything to go by.
Im sure there are members who know who this guy is.
sorry I cant give more info, but this is a crazy situation and my solicitor has told me to stay zip. so ive allready said too much, but felt it right to let everyone know.
AFTER 9/11 & IN COMBINATION WITH "THE CRIMINAL INJUSTICE BILL", Being in police custady is not something I would want anyone to have to go through.
hope this helps in some way MM

Lambda-Eyde - 15-6-2012 at 13:56

You mean this guy? I've bought from him once and haven't had the police visiting me yet.

mineralman - 15-6-2012 at 14:09

Ill take your word for it, Im just giving you the facts of my situation.
count yourself lucky the police have better things to do with their time where you live. MM

OR MORE ACCURATLY, YOU DONT RECIEVE SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T ORDER IN THE FIRST PLACE AND GET RAIDED BY THE POLICE

[Edited on 15-6-2012 by mineralman]

peach - 15-6-2012 at 16:08

I'm curious about this as, over the years, I have bought chemicals from numerous different stores, lab suppliers & sellers.

I have ordered things through the same guy in Poland who had been unsuspectingly selling bomb making materials to Anders Breivik. The immediate searching and raids that resulted from Breivik's ideas on proving a point were not great from the perspective of those who feel he is not a superhero in a wetsuit but a dangerous mass murderer, people that simultaneously had their names alongside his on the order list.

Seeing this and casting my mind back, I have also ordered from the guys in Lithuania (does the name 'mik'etc sound familiar?). And the reference to the containers next to a speaker also makes sense to me; Chris.

Doing some searching just now, I discovered the Lithuanian guy I'd ordered from was also buying / selling litre scale kits for speed / meth, and was holding private auctions. Not great.

However;

Quote:

PHOTOGRAPHED NEXT TO A STERIO SPEAKER OR ON THE ARM OF SOME FURNITURE

That's Chris. Like Lambda, I have ordered from him before and I know a few other people have as well. But he is 100% not in Lithuania. He is actually a she, and the person doing the selling is her husband. But they are both in the UK and appeared to be clearing out some surplus stock from somewhere. Some of which was slightly odd, but not on a par with the Lithuanian guy I'm thinking of.

I have been arrested before having gotten into an argument with my brother. It's not that bad sitting around the cell for a while (the cells are extremely clean) but if I have to sit round a cell for breaking a window that I was planning to replace anyway, I do expect the doors to stay in place whilst I'm uploading photos to wikipedia for their science articles.

The Lithuanian guy also managed to get my order wrong, so what you said about him getting things wrong sounds right, but the speaker thing is a different seller.

What chemicals were you ordering, or accused of ordering?

[Edited on 16-6-2012 by peach]

mineralman - 15-6-2012 at 22:28

DING DING DING DING DING JACKPOT

Thanx peach, and apollogies to Chris and Significant other.

Thats the guy, and that would explain why the police arrested me and have preliminarily charged me with being involved in the manufacture of amphetamines (meth in particular) and/or componants for bomb making, pending analasys of a plethera of chemicals.
I have no idea as to the contents of the package the police intercepted it before it arrived, and a second package was delivered to my address the day after the police released me.
all I have to go on is a few phone calls from the post office department dealing with it, saying "could you please return the wrongly addressed package sent to you, as the intended recipiants of the package are desperate take delivery of it". Those were the exact words used by the postal service worker, when they informed me of the situation.
The second package was sodium bromide if that means anything to any chemists out there, felt like a solid metal ingot in a white cellophane encapsulated bubble wrap lined envalope. is that one drugs or bombs?
Best not answer that one, ive no interest in it anyway.

thats all I can say for now, I wait patiently to hear back from the police. MM

peach - 16-6-2012 at 07:03

Quote:

DING DING DING DING DING JACKPOT

Quote:

could you please return the wrongly addressed package sent to you, as the intended recipiants of the package are desperate take delivery of it

That's weird, genuinely. Because I've had a few parcels go missing as the sender / receiver and they've never really bothered with any of that, or even known where the things have gone. To get a phone call from the Post Office themselves, or Parcel Force, is odd. I suspect they already knew what was supposed to be in the parcels and that was actually the police wanting to see who'd been collecting them.

One of the things the guy in Lithuania was selling was Sodium Bromide. That isn't a major problem drug / bomb wise, but some of the other things he'd been selling / buying were. I can believe the idea he's managed to write the wrong address on some of those and sent them to you; for one reason, there's the large language barrier, secondly, he sold quite a few items over a short period of time.

I can actually find at least two people the Sodium Bromide was supposed to be going to. One of the guys is in Latvia, but another is in the UK; so he may have been doing the UK parcels and swapped your addresses round. The guy in the UK who bought the Bromide doesn't seem to have bought anything else from him, so any other mislabelled packets you got won't have been orders the Bromide guy was making.

I seriously doubt the police would be all that bothered about Sodium Bromide. It's more likely he's sent you one of the private auction items, and it's been something directly related to hundred gram / kilo scale drug production.

It's really down to guessing at the Sodium Bromide package and if he'd mixed that up with something else. You say it felt like an ingot of metal, well, two of the things he was selling at the same time as the Bromide was potassium and sodium metal. But those aren't usually shipped as bare ingots, they're shipped in containers covered with oil; which he mentioned as the method he'd be using. They were also only about 25 to 50g of metal (not particularly heavy) and again, there's no major problem with people buying those metals either.

This is the picture from the Bromide sale, so that may be the hard, heavy lump you felt inside the cellophane packet.

Again, I doubt the police are bothered about the sodium bromide or any lumps of sodium / potassium. Judging by what else he was selling, he's probably sent you a bottle or two of something rather more suspicious that was meant to be going elsewhere (which is likely the package the police stopped and/or the second one that turned up).

I would have thought it'd be somewhat mandatory for the police to disclose what was in the packages so you could provide an explanation for it's presence. If you ordered table salt and the guy's sent a kilo of meth precursor, there's no way you can explain that thinking they've stopped a pack of sodium chloride. Do you have any idea of the number of items you're dealing with, when you mentioned a plethera of chemicals. Is this from the packets? If they're busy checking through numerous containers from those packets, and have bothered to arrest you, that may be some form of 'kilo scale kit'.

You could really do with compiling a list of the chemicals you've received or been accused of ordering, then compare that the other items he was selling and see if you can spot who they were supposed to be going to, to demonstrate that he may have just mixed the addresses up.

If you don't want to say outright on the forum, you can always shoot me a PM and I can have a look.

mineralman - 17-6-2012 at 04:12

Im waiting to here back from my solicitor b4 I comment on that one peach.
This is like KMNO4.COM all over again, arrested for having my name on a list of customers.

How can this guy still be doing what hes doing? They spend millions on searching my 7 1/2 acre property, im talking mobile lab/hazmat team/bomb squad/army/fire brigade/ambulance/S.O.C.C.A/C.I.D & the police. and hes still selling these kits `n` stuff a free man???? It just emphasises the "INJUSTICE" in "THE CRIMINAL INJUSTICE BILL"

peach - 17-6-2012 at 15:02

The bomb squad and army, in Wales!?

Holy moly. Either they're overreacting or there must have been something fandabbydosy in those packets. The only explosions I usually hear in Wales come at dusk when the neighbouring tent dwellers, fuelled up on baked beans, begin drifting off to sleep.

As far as I can tell by the guy's auctions, he didn't sell things as a bundled kit himself, but people could have selected the components to form such based on some of the items he was selling. There are chemical companies who sell even more direct precursors to drugs and explosives, or the end products themselves, so him selling those things, a lot of the blame lies with those who then turn them into gigantic piles of drugs / explosives and endanger other people in the process; e.g. backfilling cylinders with inappropriate gases and then dumping them (charged) for someone else to bump into and have it burst etc on them.

I had another look through the items, I can't really see anything bomb related there. Doesn't even sell nitrate for making fireworks as far as the descriptions go. I'll be interested to hear how you get on, as that sounds heavy duty.

Lambda-Eyde - 17-6-2012 at 15:09

Speaking of "kits" - what the actual flying fuck is this?!

S.C. Wack - 17-6-2012 at 16:14

The DEA is working with other agencies?
Needless to say, some of those items can't be sent USPS period end of, international or otherwise. Love the vagueness:
survivorinjc
Item location: LUMBERTON, NC, United States
Free P&P Economy Delivery (USPS Parcel Post)
5 bottles Sodium Hydroxide
3 bottles Sulfuric Acid
2 bottles of Hydrogen Peroxide
Soda Ash
Magnesium Sulfate Anhydrous
Sodium Sulfate 100% purity
Glacial Acetic Acid
Methanol
Nitromethane Fuel
Methylene Chloride
Color lab stripes & Filter papers
Sassafras oil twelve ounces
Small Beakers
Magnetic Stirrer
Buchner Funnel & 1000ml Flask
Diaphragm Pump
Nitro Speedball Air tank
250ml Addition Funnel
500ml Seperatory Funnel
2 Distillation Kit Stands & Condenser
Submersible Fish Tank Pump (US outlet sufficient)
Sodium Cyanoborohydride 100g
Mercury, Mercuric ll Chloride 50g
Copper (Cupric) ll Chloride 60g
Ammonium Acetate 1000g
Potassium Hydroxide 16 oz
99% of the chemicals are unopened & still air-tight sealed!!

Not.

watson.fawkes - 17-6-2012 at 16:27

Quote: Originally posted by Lambda-Eyde

Speaking of "kits" - what the actual flying fuck is this?!

Note: "Sassafras oil twelve ounces". Not exactly analytical grade reagent, that.

Fossil - 17-6-2012 at 18:31

Pardon my ignorance, but what would that ebay listing of chemicals/equipment be used for, manufacture of MDMA?

mineralman - 18-6-2012 at 01:40

OFF TOPIC. i WOULDN'T MIND ONE OF THOSE MOBILE LABS THEY BRAUGHT DOWN, FUCKING BEAUTIFULL.

off to sighn bail l8r

nullandvoid - 18-6-2012 at 05:56

Good grief! I ordered some sodium bromide from mik* a month ago and I still haven't received it.
Given that he sold 4 packs and 2 of them have returned positive feedback there is a 50% chance that the bromide may have been meant for me.

peach - 18-6-2012 at 07:56

Quote:

Speaking of "kits" - what the actual flying fuck is this?!

I saw that as well!

I was going to offer them $21 for a laugh.

Quote:

what would that ebay listing of chemicals/equipment be used for, manufacture of MDMA?

Yep.

It may be the DEA themselves listing it, although I don't know how entrapment laws work in the US so I'm not sure.

watson.fawkes - 18-6-2012 at 08:51

Quote: Originally posted by peach

It may be the DEA themselves listing it, although I don't know how entrapment laws work in the US so I'm not sure.

I doubt it. It's a USA-sourced sale into the UK. There's no List I chemicals in package. Because these require export license, it would be illegal under USA law to have them. They're skirting the edge of this law by including sassafras oil, since safrole and isosafrole are List I chemicals. There's no scheduled chemicals in the package either. Therefore insofar as the diversion law goes, the seller is OK.

The main reason to sell internationally is to rely on the relatively thin cooperation between domestic agencies. If they were selling within the USA, the DEA and FBI would be two agencies with jurisdiction. In the present case, there's no particular credit that a UK enforcement agency could take for a USA bust; this is just small potatoes. Arguably they could be prosecuted on a conspiracy charge, but the standard of proof for that is relatively high, and generally requires actual communications, which is unlikely to happen.

The one thing they're doing wrong is violating shipping regulations. I don't think that's a felony, though, and so the risk they're taking seems to be relatively modest.

If it were a sting, it would be one to nab UK residents, since that's where the buyers would be. Perhaps there's international cooperation to do this; don't know.

mineralman - 18-6-2012 at 08:55

I think the problem is differant laws in differant countrys, it may be legal to sell it in one country, but illegal to posess in another. even though you can buy it.
As for entrapment, if it leads to a significant result, im sure any evidense of it would vaporise into the either.
Im begining to question our human rights and the way there being exploited by sub laws, or under the envalope of another law, its becoming crazy out there. MM

DAMN MY SLOW TYPING SKILLS

[Edited on 18-6-2012 by mineralman]

woelen - 18-6-2012 at 12:20

Quote: Originally posted by Mixell

Just bought the following chemicals from him:
[...]
DIBUTYL TIN OXIDE - Purity 99.98%
[...]

What interesting experiments can be done with this chemical? It sounds interesting, but when I read the MSDS it looks like a rather inert chemical, which is insoluble in water.

ItsAChitzen - 18-6-2012 at 13:45

LOL at that kit. For 2100 dollars no less...

Mixell - 18-6-2012 at 13:55

Well, it might be soluble in acetone/hexane/chloroform.
I just bought it because it wasn't expensive and I were buying a large assortment of chemicals anyway.

Lambda-Eyde - 18-6-2012 at 14:00

Quote: Originally posted by ItsAChitzen

LOL at that kit. For 2100 dollars no less...

Well, it isn't that extreme. In my neck of the woods, the cyanoborohydride runs for almost 1000 USD alone. Add to that all the other chemicals plus a lot of equipment, and the price isn't that much off.

S.C. Wack - 18-6-2012 at 14:08

Quote: Originally posted by watson.fawkes

Nononononono...there is nothing UK specific about the auction. It happens to also be listed on the UK ebay because international is offered, that doesn't mean they (LE) would have to go through with it. Maybe they would, I don't know UK laws. Safrole-rich oils including real sassafras oil are very much DEA List 1. Obviously sassafras oil can be anything, it doesn't mean it has safrole in it. Lots of safrole-free sassafras oil on the internet...pretty much all of it.

However, even if the sassafras oil does not actually exist, receiving packages you believed (in the eyes of judge/jury) contained all this is a guaranteed conviction for intent to manufacture in any jurisdiction in the USA.

Kind of surprised cyanoborohydride is not on the USPS banned list, borohydrides are. And mercuric chloride.

It violates ebay policies, shipping hazmat's without mentioning hazmat shipping for one; there is no way it would still be up if it wasn't LE. Ebay's impenetrable layers of rules (in several different locations of their site, so you can't see how many there really are) are matched only by their ultraaggressive, never-wrong-no-matter-how-wrong-they-are, all-complaints-are-always-valid nannies.

EDIT: and it could be said that listing all this would be a smart move by LE, not just because it guarantees conviction, but because the listing shows up from many different search terms.

EDIT2: the copy of TS2 was NOT in the listing yesterday, see my copy/paste above. Instructions are the (in this case unnecessary, with everything else) coup de grace in the courts. Would it be paranoid to suspect referer urls and IP's are being watched?

[Edited on 19-6-2012 by S.C. Wack]

mr.crow - 18-6-2012 at 14:33

What a shitty ebay auction!!! There is even a druggie book (total synthesis II) included if you click on the link. That's a disgrace to legitimate chemistry.

ItsAChitzen - 18-6-2012 at 15:37

Quote: Originally posted by mr.crow

What a shitty ebay auction!!! There is even a druggie book (total synthesis II) included if you click on the link. That's a disgrace to legitimate chemistry.

It's a disgrace to the ingenuity of our fine police forces.

mineralman - 18-6-2012 at 15:48

Is this the same guy the sodium bromide came from?, I havn't looked at anything the police could twist into something out of nothing on advice from my solicitor, but agree, thats a total disgrace. MM

watson.fawkes - 18-6-2012 at 22:12

Quote: Originally posted by S.C. Wack

I didn't even think to check if it also appeared in the US listings. It does.

I just looked up on the USDOJ site. Sassafras oil is indeed considered the same as safrole for List I purposes. That wasn't in the summary list on their site I looked at before my first post, but it's there is some of the others and in the commentary there.

So, never mind.

P.S. The same seller had a previous auction for only some of the chemicals for less money; it didn't sell. The account itself is well aged, with at least one transaction back to 2005. I'm wondering if it's a sting or just somebody clueless who stumbled on this lot as a whole, say, as part of a storage unit disposal auction.

Also, I looked into reporting it, but there's no category I could see in their reporting forms for "drug precursors". They've also removed the comment field in reports, apparently. It seems possible that if they knew what it was, they'd yank it immediately, but that they've made themselves deaf to being informed. If you don't know any chemistry, it looks on the surface like just anything else chemical.

[Edited on 19-6-2012 by watson.fawkes]

ItsAChitzen - 19-6-2012 at 04:29

Quote: Originally posted by Lambda-Eyde

Quote: Originally posted by ItsAChitzen

LOL at that kit. For 2100 dollars no less...

You can get that much here for ~350 US, brah. It might not be Sigma 99.999999999999999 trace metal analysis, but I'm willing to bet that this stuff isn't either.

watson.fawkes - 19-6-2012 at 05:08

I was asked in U2U for the USA Department of Justice site references.

The overall site is for the DEA Office of Diversion Control. They not only deal with List I and II, but also scheduled drugs. The overview page for List I and List II Chemicals. The actual lists are in 21 CFR Section 1310.02 Substances covered.

Easiest way to find other relevant documents is to use the Google search term "site:usdoj.gov" or "site:deadiversion.usdoj.gov".

Lambda-Eyde - 19-6-2012 at 11:18

Quote: Originally posted by ItsAChitzen

You can get that much here for ~350 US, brah. It might not be Sigma 99.999999999999999 trace metal analysis, but I'm willing to bet that this stuff isn't either.

If you had bothered to look at the pictures for the auction, you'd see that it's actually two 50 gram bottles of sodium cyanoborohydride in sealed tins from - you guessed it - Aldrich.

The prices I looked up were from a different company, I think it was Acros. The prices I gave were including VAT (25%), and you also have to take into account the high price levels where I live.