TeACN

To err is human.
yes. I filtered the solution. How to obtain the TeACN from its water solution?

According to dictionary.com итс ватер солутион means in english "its the ring spinning frame of solution" So how to obtain the TACN from its the ring spinning frame of solution?...must be a bad translator. Im going to intrepret this as how to obtain the TACN from the solution. First filter your mixture after doing what you said in your first post. What stays in the filter is NOT your TACN. What is in the filter is copper hydroxide. Your TACN is in the liquid that passed through the filter. To isolate it just evaporate.
Also, call it TACN not TeACN, you get better search results this way.

Edit. YAY, I intrepreted it right

[Edited on 19-6-2004 by rogue chemist]

TACN

I made TACN thus: I liquified about 170g NH4NO3 in 320ml 25% ammonia, and then I dumped to it 250 g well puloverized CuSO4.5H2O. I waited about 5 hours and then I filtered it. I didnt poured to it any other liuids. I put it (it was like violet gel) on the "filtering" paper, in paper-lined paper box and placed it on radiator in bathroom. (Before it I left it outside because it smelled terribly..ammonia...and after about two days I placed it tu our bathroom... and all the first day I hed our ventilator turned on....) After 5 days on radiator I had lumpy, but dry violet "powder". I grinded it in mortar to "real" powder...after it it was really fine violet powder. I hope that I helped you.

[Edited on 12-5-2005 by Unipetrol]

[Edited on 12-5-2005 by Unipetrol]

Sorry that this thread is bumped again, but I think this is the best place for my little words...

I have questions about the previous synthesis. Although you indeed will get a tetrammine copper compound, how does it assure that the nitrate is obtained and not the sulfate? I think that a mix of both is obtained at best.

I have my own method:
Take CuO (from a ceramics supplier)
Dissolve this in as little as possible HNO3. Assure that a small amount of CuO remains undissolved. Heat a little to dissolve as much as possible of the CuO. This assures that no (or only a very small amount of) free HNO3 remains in the solution of copper nitrate.
Decant the blue liquid from the solid CuO.
Pour cold NH3 (25%) in the blue liquid. This causes formation of a light blue precipitate, but if more NH3 is added, the precipitate becomes deep blue/purple. The solution also becomes deep blue.
Now, a dark paste is obtained, with a deep blue liquid above it. There must be a strong smell of ammonia.
Let the dark blue precipitate get soaked with ammonia. This can be done by allowing the mix to stand for one or two days and occasionally stirring the paste and liquid.
Decant the liquid from the paste and spread the paste on a large glass surface. Do not use filter paper. It tends to dissolve the paper!
Let stuff dry for several days in a warm and dry room.
Do the final drying by blowing hot air over the powder (using a fohn, assuring that not all powder is blown away ).

In this way I prepared approximately 2.5 grams of TACN. Here is a picture of approximately 1.5 grams I saved.

Now I have a few questions:
Is this how it should look like?
I can light it with difficulty. If I put a flame of a torch on it, then it first melts and then I get kind of 'poof' with a small cloud of black smoke. It does not really explode, it is more like nitrated cotton-wool, but with a less visible flame. Is this normal for TACN, or should it really explode?

Edit(woelen): Made link working again

[Edited on 10-3-19 by woelen]

I'll say thats practically the same as my experiance with it. I've never found a definate answer, but the problem (from an energetic aspect) is going to be hydration. For more amusement try looking for complexes not prone to hydration, theres a more established thread here: http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=1778

Right now I'm thinking Diaminesilver (I) bromate, Ag(NH₃₂BrO₃, should be anhydrous, and quite insoluble, so should precipitate from AgNO3/NH4OH + NaBrO3. Though likely light sensitive sensitive

Oh, and if your nitrated cotton burns like that, it has serious issues

[Edited on 7-10-2005 by Axt]

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Oh, and if your nitrated cotton burns like that, it has serious issues

I think that my comparison with nitrated cotton wool was not very clear . The only thing I was comparing is the flame and the kind of noise produced. Luckily I only need a propane torch to ignite the cotton wool .

Since they are both likely clear/white. Take some, walk out into the sun and see if it explodes Thats what I'd expect. I dont think you will have a problem distinguishing them!

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I think that my comparison with nitrated cotton wool was not very clear .

heh.. yes. Someones gota work on their analogies

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"Well maybe it's a useless comment but isnt TACN just a pointless pursuit. It has no practical use what so ever."

I have to disagree. TACN is easily dehydrated in dry acetone, forming a stable dull-violett powder. This is the only useful form of TACN. The hydrated form cannot be stored because it readily draws CO2 from air. It is also very insensitive and weak. I observed the same effect with TACP: The hydrated form is useless. It can hardly be ignited with a match and is very insensitive to impact. Remove the water of crystalization and you get a much more sensitive and powerfull substance. Of course these materials must be stored in a well stoppered bottle to exclude moisture. Thats probably the reason none of these substances ever saw commercial application as primaries.

"It got a very little "poof sound" and some smoke came.
Is this TACN? If so, it didn't impressed me!"

Yes but its the hydrated form. From that you will hardly get anything more impressive than a pop sound and some smoke. Plus it decomposes in air. So you need to dehydrate it. Put the crystals in a beaker with dry acetone, crush them carefully then decant and press dry between filter paper. Let them dry in warm air until all acetone has evaporated. Then do a final drying over CaCl2.

During the acetone wash you will notice the chunky crystals change color from deep blue to a light violet and turn into a fine powder. This powder is stable in air and quite powerful. Its quite sensitive too - smack with a hammer and it goes boom.

"Can somewhone give me a recipe with CuO and one with Cu to make TACN?"

Both will work. NH4NO3 can oxidize copper metal, forming ammonium nitrite, ammonia and water. The nitrite is unstable @RT and decomposes to water and nitrogen:

Cu + 3NH4NO3 > Cu(NO3)2 + 2NH3 + 3H2O + N2

Only 2 moles of NH3 are formed per copper atom. Four NH3 will coordinate to Cu(II) forming the tetrammine complex:

Cu+2 + 4NH3 > [Cu(NH3)4]2+

The nitrate [Cu(NH3)4](NO3)2 can be precipated because it has a much lower solubility than copper nitrate.

As you can see, oxidation of Cu with NH4NO3 will only give 50% theoretical yield because too little NH3 is formed. You can remedy the situation by boiling Cu metal in NH4NO3 solution, then add ammonia. Work with hot concentrated solution, if possible use dry NH3 gas and lead into the still hot solution. Upon cooling you should get a nice crop of TACN.

Of course CuO works better because copper is already oxidized. No waste of the precious nitrate ion here. Put copper metal into ammoniacal NH4NO3 solution and bubble air through it. Copper is oxidized on contact with air, the oxide dissolving in water:

2Cu + O2 > 2CuO
CuO + H2O > Cu(OH)2

"It's a bitch to dry, i made it under absolute alcohol with dried gass and every possible way i could think of to eliminate water still the damn stuff remains wet, which ruins it's properties if it has any."

It cannot be made in anhydrous form, unless you have access to anhydrous copper nitrate This stuff is not easily available and quite impossible to make at home.
If you start from CuO or copper metal, the reactions forming the complex will always produce water so theres no point in using ethanol as medium.

Fuck I wasted my time on u retard. U dont know shit about chemistry but ask questions on how to make explosives. FU

Are kidding me?
How do you dry stuff over KCl, its not like that hygrospopic.
Wow and btw that would be an awsome way to make HNO3

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Damn I hate flaming like this. But I dont want to make myself look stupid. No if course its not possible to make nitric acid that way... OMG. Please go play with lego or something.

There you see

I have got some calciumchloride to dehydrate my TACN. How long does this take?
It has stood for three days, however, nothing has happened. Another person from another forum has let it sit for over a week and the TACN has turned brownish? He has not yet testet it, though.

Laboratory of Liptakov developed a easy preparation TACN.

This converter is patent protected by March 12, 2014. The owner of patent rights: Laboratory of Liptákov. You do not ask me any permission. Asking for permission to be in the industrial and commercial use.

TACN the hemihydrate. OB -6.3. Reagents for the portion of the base:
NH4NO3 clean 100 g
Cu wire diameter 1.5 mm 40 g
NH3 25% in aq. 140 g
Glass is placed 350 ml clean grease-free Cu wire according to the diagram. The cap hole with a diameter of 12mm. AN embankment and pour NH3.
Glass coated foam insert into a suitable mixing apparatus. For example, a ball mill. Set the speed to 60 to 120rpm. The reaction takes 2-4 hours. According to the ambient temperature. Last hour to dissolve all the copper and glass full of raw TACN about 1-2 mm grain size. Caution: the reaction is exothermic. Reaction temperature 30-40 ° C. Do not exceed. After the reaction cooled to 5 ° C. Crystals TACN put into the separator. That is the figure. Vent domestic vacuum cleaner. Dry at 40 ° C. Yield: 120-140 grams of dry hemihydrate. For the production of explosives not need recrystallization. Recrystallization: from 8% aqueous solution of NH3.
LL...........



[Edited on 8-9-2014 by Laboratory of Liptakov]

TeACP

For TeACP procedure is almost the same as for TeACN. In the clip, the only difference in the ratios. The clip is also an attempt to what can be cut only with youtube editor. But this is off topic EM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDPa0Od3jws
...Dr.Liptakov...

Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov

This converter is patent protected by March 12, 2014. The owner of patent rights: Laboratory of Liptákov. You do not ask me any permission. Asking for permission to be in the industrial and commercial use. [Edited on 8-9-2014 by Laboratory of Liptakov]

Water was determined by mass analysis. Weight ratios. Decomposition TACN to CuO. Water (tied) in TACN is not a problem. VoD is high, 3600 m / s. With aluminum 5% over 4000 m / s.
......LL

Quote: Originally posted by Elemental Phosphorus

Can't TACN also be made from copper nitrate and ammonia? I tried this recently and got a dark blue solution, but no precipitate. The solutions used were not very concentrated and hopefully that accounts for the lack of precipitate. Is it safe to just boil the solution?

TACN

Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov

VoD is high, 3600 m / s. With aluminum 5% over 4000 m / s. ......LL

Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov

Ideal density for TACN was tested. At 1,4 g /cc has lower brisance than at density 1,2 - 1,25. With aluminium or without.

I am afraid that this mixture will not works at this high density at all. Because TACN + 5% Al provide best brizantion at density 1,25g/cc. At density 1.41 his brizantion fall on half. At diameter 25 mm. For described mixture I reccomend diameter 70 mm. With booster 5g HE. Only my opinion....