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Solid Nitric Acid ?

sankalpmittal - 1-2-2013 at 22:49

I've heard from a teacher that although ionic compounds in their solid crystalline state do not conduct electricity, solid nitric acid is an exception.

In its solid state, it undergoes following reversible reaction :

HNO3---------> H+ + NO3-
HNO3 + H+ ------------>H2NO3+

Is it correct that solid nitric acid conducts electricity? Or is it just the vice versa?

[Edited on 2-2-2013 by sankalpmittal]

Nicodem - 2-2-2013 at 02:25

You know the person who told you this, so why do you ask us? Ask your teacher for the reference.

vmelkon - 2-2-2013 at 07:51

How do those reactions lead to electricity conduction?

Solid state conductors are metals, semiconductors, certain special polymers, certain materials (tin-indium oxide).

Whatever the material is, there needs to be a charge carrier.

sankalpmittal - 2-2-2013 at 09:17

Quote: Originally posted by Nicodem  
You know the person who told you this, so why do you ask us? Ask your teacher for the reference.


Sorry, that teacher was just a stranger. I have no acquaintance with him. Now can you help me clarify this problem ?

@vmelkon

Are you sure ?

DraconicAcid - 4-2-2013 at 13:12

Quote: Originally posted by vmelkon  
How do those reactions lead to electricity conduction?

Solid state conductors are metals, semiconductors, certain special polymers, certain materials (tin-indium oxide).

Whatever the material is, there needs to be a charge carrier.

I don't know if nitric acid will conduct electricity (my Google-Fu is weak, as I haven't found any statements one way or the other), but if those equations represent solid-state reactions, then it is plausible that the substance would conduct, as hydrogen ions could be passed from one nitric acid molecule to another, resulting in net movement of positive charge along the sample.

morganism - 4-2-2013 at 14:58

I am studying this right now, and it appears that a materials "edge" effect can conduct, depending on it's design.

Graphene in "armchair" configuration , molybdenum, and unhooked benzene rings all conduct (apparently) phonons without using a carrier, and actually by moving down the asymmetrical chain, produce current that can be harvested.

not a lot of info being released, as the researchers are chasing thermoelectric applications.

Lots of interesting research going on right now... and most of it does show increases when hydrogen is present, even from bacterial sources. lots of papers released this week on nanogold and iron with hydrogen supplied from archea and other primitive bacterias are fun.

ScienceSquirrel - 4-2-2013 at 18:10


Same question and debate elsewhere;

http://www.chemicalforums.com/index.php?topic=62571.0

I doubt that solid 100% nitric acid can conduct.
If there was some water there so it formed a solid solution I think it might conduct.

AndersHoveland - 4-2-2013 at 21:40

I have never read anything specifically about solid nitric acid being a conductor, but it would not completely surprise me if it were indeed true. A small number of ionic solids can conduct ions. Lithium nitride, for example, can conduct lithium ions through the crystal lattice. Solid bismuth oxide can conduct oxygen ions at elevated temperatures. Rubidium silver iodide conducts silver ions at room temperature. I wonder if some sort of transistor is possible utilizing P- and N-type solid ion conductors.

Pyro - 7-2-2013 at 13:23

a little off topic, but still sort of relevant: you should never blindly trust your teacher, you should her all the shit my chem teacher crams out! CCl4=chloroform, stomach acid is mainly HNO3,...!

elementcollector1 - 7-2-2013 at 15:52

Quote: Originally posted by Pyro  
a little off topic, but still sort of relevant: you should never blindly trust your teacher, you should her all the shit my chem teacher crams out! CCl4=chloroform, stomach acid is mainly HNO3,...!

What the derp?

hyfalcon - 7-2-2013 at 18:33

Try HCl not HNO3.

DraconicAcid - 8-2-2013 at 09:15

Quote: Originally posted by hyfalcon  
Try HCl not HNO3.

I get the feeling that Pyro knows that, but his so-called chem teacher doesn't.

sankalpmittal - 16-2-2013 at 23:44

I guess that no one is sure whether solid nitric acid does conduct electricity or not. I think that majority says that it does not. Thanks..

Any more comments are welcomed

sankalpmittal - 3-3-2013 at 22:49

Re-solid nitric acid


Hiii,

I found these references:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23090634
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=69...
https://www.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/Articles/Others...

Can anyone tell what these references say and derive the conclusion??

Vargouille - 4-3-2013 at 01:59

First paper: Solid nitric acid will protonate the carbonyl groups without water present. Not particularly useful for what you're trying to find out except that it indicates a significant acidic character in solid nitric acid.

Second paper: A way to find conductivity in solids was found using acoustics (sound). Could be more useful if you could recreate the apparatus and test the nitric acid yourself.

Third paper: Page not found.