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Combustion temperature for some pyro mix please ?

KonkreteRocketry - 12-2-2013 at 06:54

Yes,

Can someone please help me find the combustion temperature of those reactions please ?

Magnesium and Any nitrate. example KNO3

Aluminum and The same nitrate used for Magnesium, KNO3

Magnesium and any perchlorate, example KClO4

Aluminum and the same perchlorate, example KClO4


Also, can i have the Aluminum KNO3 reaction formula ? without sulfur.


Thanks soo much

Fantasma4500 - 12-2-2013 at 14:01

i think you need to look up some physic formulas for heat generated per oxygen molecule made into something else and molar mass
i dont know what those formulas would look like, tho but hopefully somebody else would be able to pinpoint to something more specific

anyways, why would you need the reaction temperatures? (:

Agecer - 12-2-2013 at 21:44

Quote: Originally posted by KonkreteRocketry  
Yes,

Can someone please help me find the combustion temperature of those reactions please ?

Magnesium and Any nitrate. example KNO3

Aluminum and The same nitrate used for Magnesium, KNO3

Magnesium and any perchlorate, car dvd players example KClO4

Aluminum and the same perchlorate, example KClO4


Also, can i have the Aluminum KNO3 reaction formula ? without sulfur.


Thanks soo much

You need to study for about reactions and then to try to implement it

[Edited on 13-2-2013 by Agecer]

bfesser - 13-2-2013 at 09:53

<strong>KonkreteRocketry</strong>, in the future, try posting your absurd questions in the correct forum: <em><a href="forumdisplay.php?fid=3">Energetic Materials</a></em>.

[Edited on 2/13/13 by bfesser]

Ral123 - 13-2-2013 at 11:40

Obviously the mixtures with aluminium are expected to give somewhere around the boiling point of Al2O3. As for mixtures with carbon/organics, I think that if you increase pressure and don't allow vaporisation, they can get pretty hot. NG doesn't have the specific energy of O2/C2H2 but it's temperature of detonation is much higher because it(self confined) doesn't give off gasses to cool itself.

blogfast25 - 13-2-2013 at 13:00

Quote: Originally posted by Ral123  
Obviously the mixtures with aluminium are expected to give somewhere around the boiling point of Al2O3.


Nonsense. What temperature is achieved depends enormously on conditions. Is the reaction heat contained (bomb reactor) or not? If it's not contained, how much of the reaction enthalpy will leak away per second (power loss) and in what form (light or heat)? How fast do the reactions proceed (granulometry of ingredients)? There is no set answer to these questions.

Stoichiometric mixtures of Al with chlorates, nitrates or sulphates with finely powered ingredients in 'open crucible' conditions, lead to molten alumina being formed, at least in my conditions. Boiling is another 500 C above that.



[Edited on 13-2-2013 by blogfast25]

Poppy - 16-2-2013 at 18:55

So there has been this question: as the gas expands it cools. Where does the heat goes to? So as if the gas expands to atmospheric pressure all the bombs power will ultimately sum up as simple heat. Think of the work the pressure inflicts in surrounding air as negligible, and the work of the contair as measurable.
I say that because in my country someone threw a homemade bomb in an attempt to murder a couple and the bomb's effect was mostly evidenced as burns even though they were close to the bomb detonation site (the couple were inside a car).
Furthermore the gas leaves the device not simply at higher pressurem, it is also hot.
Considering how fast things get vapourized and how much energy is released you can think of an absurd energy wavefront.