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Picric-A - 26-7-2008 at 04:33

yep i have used it, quite a bit actually when i was into pyro and all...
package is quite bad ( only packed in plastic bags :mad

prices arnt all that bad but expect to spend a lot on delivery, especially if you intend to purchase large quantities of materials.
Picric-A

kclo4 - 26-7-2008 at 09:04

Thats an interesting name for a place that sells chemical and pyrotechnic materials, doesn't inoxia mean; without prickles; harmless - http://www.backyardgardener.com/gardendictionary/inoxia.html

Haha or perhaps it is the opposite? Consider Datura Inoxia, which has prickles and is very far from harmless.

Picric-A - 26-7-2008 at 14:45

i agree werid name, dont think they thought up the name of the site well but oh well

i wonder how they advertised it? with a name like 'inoxia' it doesnt have anythign to do with chemicals so a search enging woudnt work... hmmm
Picric-A

grndpndr - 22-8-2008 at 06:41

Give janitorial supply in the yellow pages a try.Im not aware of everything they have thats useful to the chemistry hobbyist
but one of our 'local' Jan. supply Co.(180 miles round trip)sells 68% HNO3 2.5L @ $36 walk in or delivered if your on thier delivery route. considering hazmat/shipping? free deliverys

DNA - 26-8-2008 at 01:16

I read in the other topic that cellulose thinner is toluene, is this pure toluene or is it mixed with other compounds and if so what would be the purity approx?
Pure DCM is sold at DIY stores as paintbrush-dehardener.

[Edited on 26-8-2008 by DNA]

johnnybobonny - 9-10-2008 at 11:48

Allstarlab.com has formaldehyde, although I havent bought formaldehyde from them, I have bought other chemicals. They seem legitimate

jarynth - 9-10-2008 at 13:03

Legitimate!? They only sell 1,4-butanediol, formaldehyde and toluene. Butanediol has its own category, separated from the other two 'chemicals'. Quite a restricted selection of precursors, though.

Jor - 27-10-2008 at 17:54

AFAIK 1,4-butanediol is quite restricted. It has about the same effects as GHB in humans, as it is metabolized to GHB in the human body.

hope none of this is redundant

Globey - 13-2-2009 at 22:03

Calcium Propionate: $89.99/5o lbs.

http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/calciumpropionatepowder.asp...

Sodium Benzoate: $34.83/5 lbs. http://www.cidermillsupplies.com/cart/cat_chemicals.php

Sodium Nitrite (food grade, >98%) is available in 50 lb boxes for under $100 from various meat supply companies.
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All sorts of aminos, vitamines, etc.: http://purebulk.com/ & http://www.beyond-a-century.com/
Both companies are price leaders and run by friends.
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JWH-018: 75E/G http://buythemg.com/shop/10-jwh-018.html

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Also, many reagents are for sale on Ebay, and uncontrolled API's (legend) have even been sold there as well.
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Nitrous Oxide/token SO2 admixture sold at some auto shops.

2-nitropropane (50% admixture), AET, ne1?: http://www.mxsouth.com/klotz/klotz-high-octane-race-gas-gas-...
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In general, there used to be more things, before they were Removed off the shelves (especially beauty supply and health food stores).
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Strong Ammonium Hydroxide ?>10% (aq) is available @ Ace Hardware.
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Many compounds are or have been available through a pharmacist (HNO3, Hg, I2)...at least pre 9-11 (before all those terrorists crashed into buildings with bottles of corrosive iodine ya know)
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You can still buy original scent Irish Spring soap, and if you were really desperate, separate out the single component fragrance.

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BTW, anyone know where individuals can buy small amounts of uncontrolled API's (like hydroxylazine, tramadol, phenytoin, etc)?

[Edited on 14-2-2009 by Globey]

Globey - 21-2-2009 at 19:37

2-nitropropane-diole seems to be main ingredient in many formaldehyde free septic deodorizers. Same chemical is found, but only in small quantities, in some commercial shower gels, and in Costco brand baby wipes. EeeeeK!

cigano - 5-4-2009 at 07:07

Has anyone used this website before:

chemassociates.com

??

They don't require registration nor credentials from a company/lab and so I assume they will sell pretty much everything for personal use.

What do you think?

[Edited on 5-4-2009 by cigano]

[Edited on 5-4-2009 by cigano]

watson.fawkes - 25-4-2009 at 10:38

I was surprised to find that unmixed heptane is available as "Bestine Solvent and Thinner". It's listed on the can as "Heptane Formula". The MSDS indicates that's all there is.

UnintentionalChaos - 21-6-2009 at 09:41

Quote: Originally posted by watson.fawkes

I was surprised to find that unmixed heptane is available as "Bestine Solvent and Thinner". It's listed on the can as "Heptane Formula". The MSDS indicates that's all there is.

you shoulda' asked! I found this out years ago. It's not exactly cheap, but I happened to work at a store that sold it, so employee discount + coupons saved me a lot.

http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/2935174-AA.shtml

-citric acid
-sodium hexametaphosphate (water softener)
-sodium thiosulfate (bleach-stop)
-thiourea dioxide (Dharma Color Remover)

Less than useful:
-sodium carbonate
-sodium sulfate
-aluminum sulfate

[Edited on 6-21-09 by UnintentionalChaos]

ammonium isocyanate - 17-7-2009 at 14:36

I don't know if this has been mentioned here before, but AFAIK United Nuclear no longer sells uranium dioxide or uranium acetate (I've looked many times but can't find it on their website.)

Jor - 4-8-2009 at 13:55

For those of you in Europe, who are unable to buy dichloromethane via chemical suppliers, it is time to buy a lot of paint stripper! :

http://www.hktdc.com/info/vp/a/ghsw/en/1/5/1/1X06056F/Gifts-...

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?language=EN&am...

worldspawn - 23-10-2009 at 15:26

JD Photochem Canada is no longer operational.

If you're looking for DCM Nymoc in Toronto is your alternative.

devongrrl - 4-11-2009 at 10:44

Quote: Originally posted by chemoleo

Has anyone heard of this company?

http://www.inoxia.co.uk/content/info/about.aspx

It seems to be aimed at the pyro user largely...lots of metal oxides and such.

Steve from Inoxia is well known over on the UK Pyro forums.

From what I know he is either a Chemistry PhD or a doctoral student reading his PhD.

devongrrl - 4-11-2009 at 10:49

One place to avoid in obtaining reagents is a guy from Poland called Lukasz. He runs the keten.org.pl website.

Whilst he has a wide selection of reagents he is very slow and some times almost slap dash about posting orders out.

He is also damned expensive, avoid if at all possible.

plastics - 6-11-2009 at 07:39

Quote: Originally posted by devongrrl

One place to avoid in obtaining reagents is a guy from Poland called Lukasz. He runs the keten.org.pl website.

Whilst he has a wide selection of reagents he is very slow and some times almost slap dash about posting orders out.

He is also damned expensive, avoid if at all possible.

Quite agree - still waiting for an order placed 5 weeks ago. Just about to lodge a dispute with paypal.

Rarely replies to emails and when he does always has an excuse

He does however have some interesting and slightly exotic chems

aonomus - 21-11-2009 at 18:35

So I stumbled across a potential source for strontium chloride, aqueous solution from an aquarium supplier.

http://www.mops.ca/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/ushop/Strontium-Addi...

One of them also has molybdenum

Sedit - 21-11-2009 at 18:50

That is pretty cool. And it appears to be pretty pure stuff as well.

Quote:

Avoid huh? LMAO what gave it away the fact that it appears to be a blantant sting or scam site or his poor service? Its name is Keten.org for christ sake. Keten is widely known to produce acetic anhydride which is used to make heroin from morphine. And low and behold the back ground to the reagents page is what? A morphine molecule. You should have been able to avoid dealing with him with ease.

aonomus - 21-11-2009 at 20:16

Sedit:

The molybdenum mix page said this:
Contents: Deionized water; strontium, magnesium, potassium and molybdenum salts.

So unless there is a way to precipitate molybdenum and strontium selectively, not much use for us?

Strontium pages don't have any ingredients listed, but it doesn't cost that much for a bottle anyway. I might put in an order with this company for diatomaceous earth and plumbing parts anyway.

Any potassium or sodium would swamp out the characteristic red of strontium in a flame test right?

Edit: strontium carbonate is available by the pound on ebay, no point in boiling down this for the chloride...

[Edited on 22-11-2009 by aonomus]

Sedit - 21-11-2009 at 21:16

The strontium one where as it does not note the other materials seems to suggest that there are non. It will not add bicarbonates and what not to your fish tank and just seems to suggest its nothing more then a strontium salt. I would think they would list the extras if there where any like they did for the molybdenum one.

grndpndr - 21-12-2009 at 22:41

ebay is listing some very inexpensive (IME) nitrates particularly KNO3/NaNO3 delivery was a bit slow but 6lbs KNO3 99% fine crystaline powder $21, included $11 shipping.
NaNO3 10lbs $28 shipping included.Both vary in package size
from 500gr on up to 25lbs.Some other chemicals I cannot comment as far as price PB nitrate 30gr $5.95+s etc (Dowless
Dist 123)FWIW

devongrrl - 25-12-2009 at 08:27

Has anyone had any dealing with this site before ?
http://www.acuchem.co.uk/

His site is apparently undergoing refurbishment but if it is genuine might be something to watch.

DJF90 - 2-1-2010 at 12:14

Devongrrl: they sell stuff on ebay, generally at extortionate prices. If I remember correctly one product of theirs is benzyl alcohol, 50ml, and they want about £10 for it!! Outrageous!

devongrrl - 4-1-2010 at 09:08

What a ripoff ! I could buy a litre for £18.27 inc P&P

mlp - 13-3-2010 at 16:52

Quote: Originally posted by chloric1

Found a Website with Froogle this morning. Bio-World. There prices are high and they say antibiotics are forbiden to individuals.

Their prices are a little on the high side, but their customer service and delivery are excellent. I've ordered tryptone, bovine serum albumin, Tris, and other bio lab reagents from them, and have been happy every time. For a recent demo we needed lysozyme overnighted on short notice, and they got it delivered with no difficulty.

quicksilver - 4-6-2010 at 09:26

Speaking of Bio-World, Spectrum, etc - I have always had a simple test. Silver Nitrate. If they are asking for close to $10 a gram, the place is too expensive & often looking for university contracts rather than sales to individuals or small firms.

Since these places are almost always selling 500gr bottles of AgNO3 for $465-$529, a gallon of HNO3 and a few ounces of silver could make a serious profit on eBay.

mr.crow - 4-6-2010 at 09:42

Here is my secret, I found potassium nitrate and ammonium carbonate at a Chinese grocery store. You need to recrystallize the nitrate though.

franklyn - 4-6-2010 at 10:09

Ethnic businesses often have a cultural bias and prefer products
in a pure or crude state. A local Chinese hardware store here
stocks liter plastic bottles of strong Sulfuric acid ( drain cleaner )
and granular Sodium Hydroxide in plastic jars like red devil.

.

bbartlog - 4-6-2010 at 10:37

The Chinese grocery store in my area also stocks pure granular NaOH in 500g plastic jars (as drain cleaner). Haven't looked to see whether they have ammonium carbonate or saltpeter.

mr.crow - 4-6-2010 at 12:03

Cool, I'm going to hit up China Town again

hissingnoise - 7-6-2010 at 09:17

This might interest someone. . .

http://www.readyreagents.co.uk/epages/es115347.sf/secZaN81QZ...

quicksilver - 8-6-2010 at 05:23

Quote: Originally posted by hissingnoise

This might interest someone. . .

http://www.readyreagents.co.uk/epages/es115347.sf/secZaN81QZ...

Pretty expensive (being close to a one US Dollar per gram).... but I do happen to know that production-runs of picric acid are not continuous. That is, the chemical company will mfg a certain unit weight and stop (perhaps 10Kg) - selling off what they have.
I would bet that the production run is well noted on the containers. Even though it's water saturated, the company most likely get's visits & stipulations.

hissingnoise - 8-6-2010 at 07:13

Quote:

Pretty expensive (being close to a one US Dollar per gram)....

Well, they do seem to have something of a monopoly in the "High Explosives Online" business. . .
I actually briefly considered placing an order before coming to my senses.
And, unless I'm misreading the page, they seem supply it in the dry state as well as in aqueous and alcoholic solution. . .
Gram staining, anyone?

quicksilver - 8-6-2010 at 10:07

But if you're in the US (like me) - you'll pay out even more in shipping!

One time I really made an effort to compare the highest quality picric acid I could synthesize to commercial picric acid. I had a friend at the university in town and he really had access to the lab, free and clear. We had a damn good MP machine, electron microscopes, comparative microscopes, most anything a fine university lab would have. I can say with confidence that if you really work at it, you can produce a product that is reagent-grade & as high quality as a Fisher, Spectrum, or Merck product.
The only advantage I could see - is actually HAVING a production quality sample to compare with. But I feel VERY confident that many hobbyist chemists with a degree of care could come damn close to a great deal of reagent grade materials.

The one thing I wish is that I could find samples of commercial styphnic acid; as I have a collection of notes from several years back & the styphnic acid I made, I was quite proud of. I would have loved to compare that to a real commercial sample.
I really don't think it's smart to keep a lot of materials about but a collection of slides and a sealed gram-level sample of the best lab one has put together IS worth keeping - if only to see if you nailed it right on the money.

[Edited on 8-6-2010 by quicksilver]

hissingnoise - 8-6-2010 at 11:47

Delivery within the UK itself is pricey, but with PA, it's the possibility of unwelcome attention that's offputting; I did though (and will again), buy 35% H2O2 from them through their eBay outlet.

mr.crow - 10-6-2010 at 18:19

I went to the Chinese hardware store again and got some beautiful crystal clear H2SO4!

SeaDonkey - 20-6-2010 at 13:23

Quote: Originally posted by bbartlog

The Chinese grocery store in my area also stocks pure granular NaOH in 500g plastic jars (as drain cleaner). Haven't looked to see whether they have ammonium carbonate or saltpeter.

Soap making shops sell pure NaOH and KOH by the kilo. KOH is used to make the liquid hand soap.

quicksilver - 27-6-2010 at 10:02

I could be wrong of course but the guys in the UK have a tougher time with OTC chemicals. .....Most likely due to a hold-over from the troubles in N. Ireland & the cowardly 7th July attack.

Picric-A - 27-6-2010 at 13:34

I have no problems obtaining OTC chemicals especially lots of pyro chems... but i guess that could just be my location in the UK...

bbartlog - 31-7-2010 at 18:43

A thought on iodine: it appears that ethylene diamine diiodide (aka EDDI) is sold as an animal feed supplement, and at rather good prices (in terms of cost per unit of iodine). For example, one online source lists 400g of the supplement for sale for $7.32. I'm pretty sure that acidification and oxidation (H2SO4, or HCl+H2O2) would yield free iodine. You can also buy KI from United Nuclear, but that's $8 for two ounces; not as good a deal. Tinctures and such have very little iodine and are not economical sources.
On the other hand the supplement may not be 100% EDDI (may have filler). Still seems like a reasonable source though.

MolecularConcept - 18-9-2010 at 16:17

I am interested in finding a source for bulk anhydrous AlCl3i dont really feel like making my own.... sigma has some 95% pure 2.5 kg ~$148.00 not bad at all.. but its sigma...

i have accounts with Bio-world and a few other chem suppliers and all went well, Why is sigmaaldrich such a no no?

redfox87 - 22-10-2010 at 21:59

If someone with an account could buy something like the AlCl3 and resell it to our community that would be desirable. Is this very frowned upon here?

Stasis - 25-11-2010 at 12:52

For CO2, two very easy sources are:

- 10oz canisters for sodastream machines
- compressed for paintball guns, 9oz and 12oz sizes as a rule

Zinc - 13-12-2010 at 07:57

I don't understand how can someone buy picric acid online, perhaps you need some "explosives license" to buy? I somehow doubt they would sell it to anyone.

hissingnoise - 14-12-2010 at 05:50

I've seen picric acid advertised online as a bio-stain . . .
An explosives license seems superfluous if you're working on bacteria!

cyanureeves - 14-12-2010 at 18:13

Quote: Originally posted by Stasis

For CO2, two very easy sources are:

- 10oz canisters for sodastream machines
- compressed for paintball guns, 9oz and 12oz sizes as a rule

Stasis i have b.b. gun cartridges and have been wanting to make the carbonate from my kOH. any ideas on what kind of slow release gadget i could use to bubble C02 into the KOH solution?

gnitseretni - 15-12-2010 at 07:32

They have valves for these little CO2 cartridges (threaded ones) for inflating bicycle tires. You screw the valve on to puncture the cartridge and then unscrew it (a little - not all the way) to release the gas. If you just unscrew it the teeny tiniest bit the gas MAY come out slowly enough for your application? Dunno, guess you'd have to try it.

sbillinghurst - 15-12-2010 at 11:07

I hope I am not doing something frowned upon. Please allow me to change it if it doesn't meet the guidelines. On the subject of Reagents and Apparatus Acquisition, I need to put down the words sourcing meth code 1234, and then I am going to try to Google it. If it returns this post, the experiment was successful.

When you get here, go to the first post in this thread for a given list (I can't say if it's a good list. I don't think it covers sources in the US).

The whole idea is to replace objectionable speech with a code standing for that speech, so that the speech is in fact expressed and not suppressed or self-suppressed.

This is language and we are human beings. I believe that we should distinguish between a description of something and its condemnation or recommendation.

I am getting the infuriating cursor jump with every character, maybe as a result of a long post in 'quick reply'.

Yeah, we're human beings. Language was invented some time ago to make it possible to discuss rather than to perform an act. I just don't see anything on the internet that is other than information. No chemicals are forthcoming out of a computer, just words.

Magpie - 15-12-2010 at 15:41

Your whole process is frowned upon as far as I'm concerned. You've taken a labor of love from "I am a fish" and made it the bait for those who need meth supplies.

Thinking through something is a rehersal for action. Don't give us that crap about words not being important.

sbillinghurst - 15-12-2010 at 17:41

Magpie wrote
Your whole process is frowned upon as far as I'm concerned. You've taken a labor of love from "I am a fish" and made it the bait for those who need meth supplies.

Fine, that's what I asked. Now on to the act itself. To prove I did no such thing, let us ask, Cui bono? That means, "Who gains from it?" I maintain that I gain nothing. I'm not "fishing" using "bait" for meth makers. Since I have nothing to gain from that, I encourage readers to treat this statement with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Because there are intentions, and there are consequences beside the intended consequence, a lot of times people like you are cruel "for a reason" when, admit it, your whole intent is to be cruel. You used Fish as a pawn in your personal attack on me.

The experiment worked just fine, BTW, as of now. It takes half a day for Google to index the post, and I can search 'sourcing meth code 1234' and return this site high in the results. I don't care what you do now. Take it down if you want. Let's see how the search engine handles that.

Every action starts with a thought, sure, but not every thought comes out as action. That's just silly.

You have been gratuitously cruel, while justifying yourself. You thought you were kind. You were defending someone. Aww, does he need you to do that? But, cruelty often starts that way. That's the road you are on, brother.

I guess there's nothing that penetrates to the core on you guys, which is surprising given the dedication to a life of science. They're holding Wikileaks' founder now. I guess you side with the State on that one. Don't you wonder what else hackers can do, like, when they cover secrets instead of expose them? You are home laboratory operators, and exactly those people have been persecuted in this "hunt" for drug makers. Is it worth it? I mean, look at it as them getting destroyed today, and tomorrow, why, turn around and find it is you. Because, it stems from freedom. You don't get it. By its nature, no-one has the right to give it to you. Freedom is something you give yourself. :cool:

Oh, it says that is "cool". That must be frowned upon here, too. Y'all call us "kewls". Uh huh. But jeez, who are you guys? pix please. kthxbai

My "process". Well, my man, if I never said words were not important (I said they were not chemicals), and you said I said that, does your mind change one iota being wrong about that? I don't think so, and that's sad. You must have a strange and cruel, not to say logical, agenda. You just have to, and it is not based on something I said here today, but rather something of a long-standing hatred, and I do not deserve to walk into a fusillade of abuse.

What are the words? That---language---allows us to think before (or instead of) acting, among other things, which is good. That's what it is there for. It's very important, it's everything, and I never said words were not important. You did, with a little metaphor, "crap", a little fiction, and managing to twist what I said by 180 degrees.

Don't laugh. I'm on the high moral ground here.

Magpie - 15-12-2010 at 19:11

Whoa Nellie! I write 4 sentences and all that vitriol is unleashed. I'll bet you could write a set of encyclopedias based on the 2500 plus posts I have made.

[Edited on 16-12-2010 by Magpie]

sbillinghurst - 16-12-2010 at 09:44

Exactly. Why would we just go back and forth and not talk about chemistry? It's just impossible! I was drunk and I panicked, but the "vitriol", it was not like that. When I saw your four miserable lines, it set off another challenge, I had the adrenaline pumping. I felt fear. Let's give that out and consider how more reaction can necessarily derive from the insult, not how many words are put into it. We aren't weighing the words to say they are evenly matched. Fuck, I'm doing it again.

If I say I am interested in how the big boys get away with it, you won't think I am trying to traffic in drugs. See, that is what usually happens. You have to separate someone bringing up the subject from someone putting a plan into action.

I'm sorry if I was recruited for the drug trade here in San Diego. That was a long time ago. My experience and yours might be different because of the demand. I don't see how you can have a home lab and keep paying for experiments.

It wasn't vitriol. Votriol is sulfuric acid. You were speaking in code again.

Now, how do the drug cartel hackers break into computers and have tons of raw materials shipped? Or, is the biz still conducted in secret by willing participants, the shadowy figures?

Can the time be far off when drugs are made anonymously and automatically, and the human only enters the equation as a user?

When the petroleum starts running out, civilization will fold up like a circus, and all the science won't stop that catastrophe.

The medico-legal complex is an offshoot of the old theocracy, that's why the rights, responsibilities, mind, brain, insanity, suicide, and so forth is important, because there is no God and it is all wrong.

You guys are thinkers. What would be the proper experiment design whose purpose is to probe the weak points in the supply chain?

As long as everybody's rich, poor people don't need to be junkies, but all that luxury is contained in a pill, so is it a viable alternative to creating a huge carbon footprint to have fun and live the good life?

I know, it is bad to be high on drugs,. They have String Theory now, so they are saying stuff like, "There are five other worlds besides this one." Okay, so let's visit them. Otherwise, theories just seem like a sign that society is getting further and further from reality and, not that it will fail, so much as that it's overdue for becoming annhilated due to just cause.

I was telling myself, "Now, Steve, don't go on these web sites and talk sourcing", and I wonder, "Well, if mankind survives, it's because somewhere along the line ppl had the courage to call a spade a spade."

Constructing labs is a necessary but insufficient part of answering the right questions. We may observe opposing views calling different things science.

We are not so far apart, Mr. Pie, you and I. Actually, you took my line: "Gee, you really are harrassing me, just like a magpie." But, I am going to look at some of those 2500 posts. I want to see if you are the guy with the fine lab pix, the "tour my lab" guy. Oh yeah, you are. I checked. My commendations, sir, on an excellent set-up. You aren't just here running security. That thing has been sitting in your house for years? So, what is the rate of use on that? Like I say, it would cost a fortune to keep full of experiments.

I worked as a chemist, but at the same time, I was just a person trying to support a family, so, there's nothing to be proud of. It is improper to expect compensation for doing your hobby. I'm not Paul McCartney. He can afford to downplay his career.

The USA is big. I'm down here thisclose to Mexico, and the word is that "unspeakable horror" is just across the border, 30,000 killed since Calderon took office in 2006. There was $200 million found in the house of Ye Gon, and he was a pseudoephedrine supplier to Mexico. That means the role of methamphetamine in all this is unprecedented, and they used to say that speed could not suport a huge network infrastructure like heroin. They were dead wrong.

We had the formula here. I was willing to have it go there. There were too many dwellings being ruined in the course of, now how can we change the appalling loss of life? Wars do not end with the forces causing them still in place. We will soon have a completely failed state next door. That's because methamphetamine is long-term. The corruption has forever to chip away until the society heads inexorably for a stable state, anarchy.

Sorry to get verbose. Hope you didn't have anywhere to be. Ah, to be forty again! Naw, it is time to put a lot of cops in jail, and for that we need a pretty convincing manifesto.

chochu3 - 17-12-2010 at 03:51

why not just PM all this to each other?

Jon_Swars - 18-5-2011 at 07:07

A source of Urea can be had at truck stops where it is sold in a 33% water solution for going into trucks.

Jon

Neil - 18-5-2011 at 20:26

Quote: Originally posted by sbillinghurst

"Well, if mankind survives, it's because somewhere along the line ppl had the courage to call a spade a spade."

WTF? No one calls a spade a spade, if you ever hear someone call a spade a spade tell them straight up that "No, it is a shovel" cause if someone is going around calling spades spades, they're up to something.

On the note of readily available chemicals, I've been tramping all over but it seems all local pharmacies have all dropped Saltpeter (I feel like this is the end of an era). I have a pharmacy bottle of KNO3, S and a few other things that I bought only a few years ago. Now relics of another time.... a time when chemical wasn't just a scary word....

They've also stopped carrying Boric acid in all but a few places where they sell it to people who want it for killing ants. I think it's USP it's sold as a wound disinfectant. It cost as much for 125g as I then paid for 4Kgs of borax. Some people really spoil their ants.

They clearly don't sell sulfur and all those other nice little things that they still did just a few years back.

And last but not least I gave up on trying to find KNO3 and so I searched for cold packs with ammonium nitrate, they've all suddenly switched to urea.

I couldn't even find distilled water... whats wrong with this place?!

digitalemu - 25-5-2011 at 04:51

JD Photochem has not existed since 2006... Updae your lists.....

digitalemu - 25-5-2011 at 05:08

Quote: Originally posted by Neil

Quote: Originally posted by sbillinghurst

They've also stopped carrying Boric acid in all but a few places where they sell it to people who want it for killing ants. I think it's USP it's sold as a wound disinfectant. It cost as much for 125g as I then paid for 4Kgs of borax. Some people really spoil their ants.

It's commercialism..... Why would they make a $3 container of Boric acid available when they can sell some bottle filled with who knows what for $15. Better yet for the manufacturer if they take that same borax and boric acid, put it in a bottle with a pretty label with cartoon ants, and then make a massive profit on that bottle of the same raw ingredients you used to be able to buy on their own. That 25 cents of raw material can be sold for $15 or more! I still see Borax around at the occasional grocery store, but even that is becomming rare especially at the large grocery store chains. They would rather make the big profits from a laundry detergent that tells you its got superior cleaning power(Probably because they put Borax in it) than sell you a 3$ box of Borax which can boost the cleaning power or a cheapo box of noname detergent. Cold packs and ammonium nitrate? Mostly all gone now as they think some terrorist will buy a whole bunch of em and do something bad. Potassium Nitrate, same thing... These days if you want raw materials, you really have to dig....

overload - 2-10-2011 at 10:15

Quote: Originally posted by sbillinghurst

Exactly. Why would we just go back and forth and not talk about chemistry? It's just impossible! I was drunk and I panicked, but the "vitriol", it was not like that. When I.....

I would hate to be stuck in the same room as this guy..

Amazon.com for chemicals

manofsteele - 6-3-2012 at 15:07

Hello everyone. I hope I am not repeating a question that has already been answered.

I was looking around on Amazon.com recently and I discovered that they sell chemicals.

Has anyone bought chemicals off of Amazon.com? If so, how was your experience and do they ship to a home address?

DieForelle - 1-4-2012 at 21:13

Well, since it's come up, I'll say I have ordered from an Amazon reseller. Further details not to be disclosed. Nothing you can't buy at a hardware store, but I wanted a safe-to-consume (in very small quantities!) for a food/dietary supplement formulation experiment I was doing. (and no, it isn't psychoactive...) My interests are different from most people here. I've done the igniting cool stuff gig when I was teenager - not to imply anybody is immature for wanting to do it as an adult. But it's out of my system, however I completely respect what should be the right of people to do this kind of hobby if they so desire. But I almost wish the tip about amazon wasn't posted here. Why? It seems like "people willing to sell certain chemicals to individuals" go through a kind of cycle: it starts with wanting to make money that way, being willing to take on the risks, and to widely varying degrees (i.e., 0 to 100, not 15 to 75) having cognizance of the possible diversion of their product to whatever illicit activities. For example, not to besmirch him if I'm wrong, but my general understanding is the Science Alliance guy in TX was knowingly selling organics that had little use other than as not-yet-watched-by-DEA precursors. Eventually, one of several things happen: they either get big enough that they decide just to deal with "legit" business, they majorly f--- up in some way and get shut down or punished, or they just go out of business. Because it seems to be a low margin business, really. And there's always the risk Amazon's lawyers just start freaking out and tell their sellers they can't resell anything requiring a HAZMAT or ORM-D shipment. Easy to imagine: some misguided 14 year old lurker here orders some acid "from Amazon", burns himself because he doesn't know how to safely handle it, suddenly, REAL bad publicity problem for amazon.

I have found ways to get most things I want, but it's been a real PITA. I have a reseller for a couple of the major lab chem. suppliers that I buy from, but I'm not going to say who it is. For all I know, they only deal with me now because I gave them a fairly big order back in the early 2000s, I think if you just called them up and asked "do you sell to individuals" they would probably say no. I wish Aldrich were easier to order from, but they don't seem to be interested in having a reseller network, a few members of whom can bend "the rules", versus the other companies. And I worry how long the other companies will be interested in the latter business model. We'll see. For Spectrum it was probably a necessity; when I worked in a corporate research lab in the 90s, Spectrum was kind of considered a joke whose chemicals were only suitable for making cleaning solutions. They do have a nice variety, and I'd rather trust a USP grade chemical I might ingest to them than to some random ebay seller, even if I have to pay 5X as much.

See my post under "graingers for supply" for further thoughts on this.

[Edited on 2-4-2012 by DieForelle]

[Edited on 2-4-2012 by DieForelle]

Digital Hepatitis - 20-5-2012 at 18:16

It's generally a good idea to dry/purify all of these as much as possible, but look at what you can easily get in pure form.

And just so you fellas don't think I'm just being a tease, I'll more or less give these out. The bottom line is that I don't think a lot of people on the forum are looking hard enough... I mean, if you wanna distill ethyl acetate from fingernail polish remover or whatever that's fine, but that's something that is very easily procurable with absolutely no suspicion at all.

Heptane -- "adhesion promoter 42" and "ef accelerator 58"
Cyclohexane -- "zeroing fluid"
Nitroethane -- "cyanoacrylate remover". Also 50-100% of some European nail removers.
Nitromethane -- "debonder solvent"
N-methyl-2-pyrrolidine -- "spray foam equipment cleaner"
DCM -- "acrylic adhesive 125" and 'equipment flushing solvent 11'. Also 100% of at least one toy/model glue not that long ago.
THF -- "conformal coating remover"
Anhydrous IPA -- from electronics stores

Really, there's almost no solvent (except for maybe diethyl ether and dimethylformamide) that you can't procure completely innocuously (and even those two are not at all impossible to get.) True, there's been a few changes in the last decade or so (my local photo shop doesn't carry glacial acetic acid anymore, for instance) but it's probably easier than ever to get basic reagents.

ItsAChitzen - 30-7-2012 at 13:46

sbillinghurst, I feel like you have clearly spent too much time with your own chemicals.

SM2 - 13-9-2012 at 06:53

well, methylacrylate co-polymer is no longer available as those water beads/diaper absorber prills. it's now some sodium acrylate blende with poly acrylic acid

Another good one

Digital Hepatitis - 11-11-2012 at 15:34

"super glue cyanoacrylate debonder remover" that is 100% dimethylformamide.

tetrahedron - 11-11-2012 at 16:01

very nice find Digital Hepatitis (although pricey at $10 for 100mL). msds

Glucose Oxidase - 2-1-2013 at 02:07

Potassium Sulphite

Formula: Na2SO3
Synonyms: –

Suppliers

• Some alternative photographic suppliers sell it.

Photographers' Formulary (USA)

the formula is wrong please correct it

declined - 4-3-2013 at 22:09

Quote: Originally posted by Zinc

I don't understand how can someone buy picric acid online, perhaps you need some "explosives license" to buy? I somehow doubt they would sell it to anyone.

I bought a pretty gigantic jar from Sigma last year, and had it shipped to my university .

palico - 1-10-2013 at 09:55

For european customers I advice one website for glassware apparatus:

http://www.spaziani.com/

They have typical apparatus and on request they build special for you.

And for chemicals:

http://www.farmaciavernile.it/

Zephyr - 9-12-2013 at 22:57

4-Aminobenzoic acid is sold at pharmacies for weight loss.

roXefeller - 26-12-2013 at 20:52

Noticed at Meijer today that the instant cold compresses they sell are labeled as ammonium nitrate on the box, but urea on the bag. Inside they are definitely urea.

Calcium Hydroxide

Artemus Gordon - 10-1-2014 at 18:53

I just bought 3.25 oz. of food grade Ca(OH)₂ for $1.99. I am in SF Bay Area (California, USA).
It was at a mexican supermarket called Mi Pueblo. The Mexican term for it is "Cal" and it can be found in the spices aisle.
I confirmed it is real hydroxide and not carbonate (garden "lime" is often carbonate) by making lime water and confirming that it gets cloudy when CO₂ is bubbled through it.

Mesa - 1-2-2014 at 15:52

A potential Australian online shop I found a few weeks ago:

http://www.auschems.com

It seems too good to be true and I have a suspicion that this may just be the case. The website is registered to an address that doesn't exist in the postcode specified(possibly a typo though.)

On the other hand, the email address is also registered to a user on a UK Pyro's forum, and the sheer variety of chemicals listed that are generally unavailable to the public makes me tempted to try a test order.

Gearhead_Shem_Tov - 1-2-2014 at 19:06

I've used them for years. No worries, mate.

-Bobby

Quote: Originally posted by Mesa

A potential Australian online shop I found a few weeks ago:

http://www.auschems.com

It seems too good to be true and I have a suspicion that this may just be the case. The website is registered to an address that doesn't exist in the postcode specified(possibly a typo though.)
...

The Volatile Chemist - 30-3-2014 at 04:34

Do you have "home science tools" on the list yet? Their target group is homeschoolers, so they sell a lot of small amounts of things:
I apologize if you already had it in the list.
homesciencetools.com

Little_Ghost_again - 24-9-2014 at 07:39

Quote: Originally posted by Gearhead_Shem_Tov

I've used them for years. No worries, mate.

-Bobby

Quote: Originally posted by Mesa

This is the whois look up
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: GEORGE WALLACE
Registrant Organization: AUSCHEMS
Registrant Street: 46 GEORGE ST
Registrant City: SYDNEY
Registrant State/Province: NEW SOUTH WALES
Registrant Postal Code: 2000
Registrant Country: AUSTRALIA
Registrant Phone: +1.8017659400
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: SMITHY540@HOTMAIL.COM
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: GEORGE WALLACE
Admin Organization: AUSCHEMS
Admin Street: 46 GEORGE ST
Admin City: SYDNEY
Admin State/Province: NEW SOUTH WALES
Admin Postal Code: 2000
Admin Country: AUSTRALIA
Admin Phone: +1.8017659400
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax:
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: SMITHY540@HOTMAIL.COM
Registry Tech ID:

Edit sorry I misread the OK already given

[Edited on 24-9-2014 by Little_Ghost_again]

medicine - 14-11-2014 at 20:17

I need some reagent grade anhydrous acetone and I live near NYC.

What's the best way to look up local chemical suppliers? Google Maps?

[Edited on 15-11-2014 by medicine]

j_sum1 - 14-11-2014 at 21:45

I have ordered from auschem befor. no problems. slightly limited range but good prices.

Mesa - 14-11-2014 at 22:07

Quote: Originally posted by Little_Ghost_again

Quote: Originally posted by Gearhead_Shem_Tov

I've used them for years. No worries, mate.

-Bobby

Quote: Originally posted by Mesa

[Edited on 24-9-2014 by Little_Ghost_again]

Yeah I think the owners were transferring to a new host or something like that. At the time of my post the /whois lookup had extremely minimal/bogus data. Regardless, I've placed 2 orders with them since then and had items arrive quickly and without fuss so it's much of a muchness.

g1ng3rbr34d_m4n - 4-1-2015 at 12:21

Elemental Scientific Huge selection, low prices.
Bruce Scientific
Carolina Biological Supply Huge selection, good prices.
Pellet Labs No chemicals.
Allied Electronics
Indigo Labs
Seattle Pottery Supply
Cynmar Science & Equipment Huge selection, good prices.
GalliumSource Metals
Metallium Exotic Metals Metals
LaBoy Glass Good quality glassware, excellent prices, shipping takes forever, though. (each item I bought from these guys took about a month to arrive.)
GardenDirect
Artcraft Chemicals
Photographer's Formulary

[Edited on 1.4.2015 by g1ng3rbr34d_m4n]

[Edited on 1.4.2015 by g1ng3rbr34d_m4n]

Loptr - 4-1-2015 at 12:35

Hi-Valley Chemical, Inc.
http://www.hvchemical.com

They have quite a few hard to find chems, like perchloric acid, hydrofluoric acid (70% IIRC), benzene, THF, Sodium Borohydride, etc.

AND THEY SELL TO HOBBYISTS!

[Edited on 5-1-2015 by Loptr]

g1ng3rbr34d_m4n - 4-1-2015 at 12:41

Oh yeah...

Torco Racing Fuels 100% nitromethane by the gallon (hazmat fee: $50)

careysub - 4-1-2015 at 15:40

Carolina Biological Supply won't sell chemicals to you - not even sodium chloride, but they have good high-school lab level lab supplies and prices (for a non-Chinese outfit). I comment on them especially because I have done business with them off and on for a long time.

There are other pottery places also. Seattle has an excellent raw material selection, but some others fill in with additional items, and other price point choices:
Aardvark Clay & Supplies (local to me)
Axner Pottery Supplies
U.S. Pigment

Firefox Enterprises has some good stuff. Phosphorus pentoxide for example.

popi - 5-1-2015 at 00:22

Thanks Fish.great update. I hope spock aka len nimoy is still orbiting Pluto.Best ignore the children like Nimoy.

medicine - 21-1-2015 at 08:25

Quote: Originally posted by g1ng3rbr34d_m4n

Cynmar Science & Equipment Huge selection, good prices.

Note: As of January 2005, we no longer sell chemicals to individuals.

http://www.cynmar.com/shipping-and-returns

adk - 18-2-2015 at 22:45

Hello all,

After many years of struggling to purchase or obtain chemicals and apparatus in Australia, I have decided to start my own business (Argent Scientific) and help others in the same boat.

My main interests are organic, photographic and pyrotechnic materials but I am a student of chemistry (Macquarie University, Sydney) and have a reasonably good knowledge of many other areas.
I have been selling various glassware and apparatus on eBay for the last few months (analogphotoau) to test the water and I have been surprised by the number of people buying for the purposes of home brew beer/wine, kombucha making and so on.

I am curious to know what materials or apparatus people are interested in buying.

Any suggestions or ideas are highly appreciated.

Feel free to send me an e-mail via sales@argentscientific.com or post something here

I have a registered business (ABN: 81 548 161 010) and I am a member of the Royal Australian Chemical Institute, Royal Society of Chemistry and American Chemical Society.

Thanks in advance,

Andrew

maleic - 26-2-2015 at 00:00

It's not easy that a post can survive for so long.

Ramium - 6-3-2015 at 15:48

http://www.crescendo.co.nz/Default.aspx

This company sell lab gear to individuals

I dont think they sell chemicals to individuals though

[Edited on 7-3-2015 by Ramium]

Ordering

reidy2015 - 15-3-2015 at 15:45

Interesting processed from http://www.auschems.com merchant Jaded smith store owner. I haven't Got my order finalised yet still pending beeen 5 days since order. Have they got a phone number or Only email. They have no reply.

reidy2015 - 15-3-2015 at 20:05

Mesa, I think auschems.com they have a website called rareitems on eBay they have ripped me off .TIME TO RING office of fare trading I'm putting a complaint in . :mad:

stop me from doing my chemistry experiments so pissed off http/:auschems.com :mad:

j_sum1 - 16-3-2015 at 01:29

I have had a couple of orders from auschems. Good experience both times. adk who is starting up a new chem supply business spoke favourably about them also. Give them a call and find out what the glitch is.

reidy2015 - 16-3-2015 at 06:14

Very true I contact him on his ebay account. Been a busy week running a science lab during the day and sends at night. He his posting tomorrow I'll take his word for this.

reidy2015 - 16-3-2015 at 20:39

J_Sum1 auschems.com member on here what you said about does he work at Argent scientific Australia .

j_sum1 - 16-3-2015 at 20:53

Quote: Originally posted by reidy2015

J_Sum1 auschems.com member on here what you said about does he work at Argent scientific Australia .

Not quite sure what your question actually is here, but I will try and answer.
I have dealt with auschems. Good experience.
adk is based in a different city. He has been selling photographic equipment for a while and is currently expanding and receiving a lot of positive comments from SM members. His business goes under the handle of Argent scientific.
I don't have an affiliation with either of them.

I hope that answers your question.

reidy2015 - 16-3-2015 at 22:12

Thanks. :cool:

reidy2015 - 18-3-2015 at 06:14

adk how's my order going mate.

reidy2015 - 22-3-2015 at 23:50

Thanks got my order mate.

famerise - 1-6-2015 at 13:36

For fire brick suppliers, add http://www.refractory-brick.com. They have very good prices, and they also stock offer industrial ceramics and ceramic fiber products. The only thing that sucks is you have to send your RFQ by email.

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