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Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane (CL-20)

Quince - 17-2-2005 at 08:16

Has anyone here attempted the synthesis? The only thing I found is Megalomania's article, but it's not clear that all the reagents can be acquired without a license. And what is that HBIW listed as a reagent? I didn't find anything on that.

By the way, I'm having a lot of trouble finding any table comparing the power of various energetic materials. Trying to compile one from different sources sucks, as for example the VoD numbers differ or are given as ranges, etc. For example, it's not clear to me how much more powerful these new explosives are than, say, NG.

IPN - 17-2-2005 at 09:33

HBIW stands for 2,4,6,8,10,12-Hexabenzyl-2,4,6,8,10,12-hexaaza-tetracyclo[5.5.0.0.0]dodekan
according to the Project-X vs. Detonator page ( http://pxd.zde.cz/ ) where a synthesis is also given. It basicly is just a condensation of glyoxal and benzylamine. Though making HNIW from HBIW seems very difficult requiring palladium catalyst and NOBF4 & NO2BF4 for the nitration. Some other methods are available as noted in a thread at roguesci ( http://www.roguesci.org/theforum/showthread.php?t=4559 ).

Quince - 17-2-2005 at 14:41

The roguesci link, now that looks doable at home. Maybe if I find some source of glyoxal I may try it at some point. As for the other link, I can't read Czech (I was born Bulgarian...), and I doubt my Czech buddy can translate technical terms.

BASF - 17-2-2005 at 17:31

There are numerous patents on its synth.....you will need a lot of expensive equipment and forbidden precursors :P

I think it is so expensive (P2O5, palladium on charcoal-catalyst, very specific glass-equipment,acetonitrile solvent, and and and.....)and time-consuming it would most likely be a very frustating project.......

[Edited on 18-2-2005 by BASF]

Quince - 17-2-2005 at 18:40

BASF, do you mean this about glyoxal or HNIW? You don't think that the simple synthesis proposed at roguesci would work?

The_Davster - 17-2-2005 at 20:05

The method on roguesci if it works will be nearly OTC :D. Glyoxal can be made like formaldehyde or acetaldehyde by passing ethylene glycol over a hot copper wire, and NBK has seen sulphamic acid at home depot, as has a friend of mine. Only reagent not OTC is the concentrated fuming nitric acid that is needed

[Edited on 18-2-2005 by rogue chemist]

chemoleo - 17-2-2005 at 20:09

I honestly'd like to see a decent ref. on making glyoxal, that doesn't involve gasses and careful regulation of oxygen etc. I read up on this once, it's hard to prevent further oxidation, how do you suppose it'd easilywork with a Cu-catalysed reaction?

Honestly, I am interested.

[Edited on 18-2-2005 by chemoleo]

The_Davster - 17-2-2005 at 21:19

From Ullmann(version on FTP)
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Among the numerous processes for producing glyoxal, only those using acetaldehyde [75-07-0] and ethylene glycol [107-21-1] as starting materials have been developed commercially.
From Acetaldehyde. Oxidation with nitric acid was examined by LJUBOWIN as early as 1875 and patented in 1942 [19]. Reaction takes place at ca. 40 °C and is carried out industrially as a continuous process. Maximum yield is ca. 70 %; selectivity is a function of the relative concentrations of reagents. After the removal of excess acetaldehyde, the glyoxal formed, which is contaminated with acetic, formic, and glyoxylic acids, is purified by passage of the aqueous solution through an ion-exchange resin. The solution is then concentrated to a glyoxal content of about 40 %.
Selenium oxide [7446-08-4] is more selective than nitric acid, and the yield is ca. 84 %; the selenium can be recycled by oxidation with hydrogen peroxide [20]. This process has not been carried out on an industrial scale.
From Ethylene Glycol. The gas-phase oxidation of ethylene glycol by atmospheric oxygen in the presence of dehydrogenation catalysts (metallic copper or silver) represents the basis of the Laporte process [21] and has been used in several industrial production processes. Reaction occurs between 400 and 600 °C; the yield is 70 – 80 %. The main impurity is formaldehyde [50-00-0] , whose subsequent separation is difficult. This reaction has also been carried out in the liquid phase and under irradiation.
Other Processes . Ethylene can be oxidized by aqueous nitric acid in the presence of palladium [22] , by atmospheric oxygen, or by selenium oxide deposited on silica [23]. Glyoxal may also be formed by oxidation of acetylene [24] or benzene [25] with ozone. Ethylene oxide has been proposed as a substrate for oxidation. Although oxalic acid and its derivatives can be reduced to glyoxal, these processes have not been developed further.


[19] I. G. Farbenindustrie AG, BF 885 931 (1942).
[20] Air Liquide, FR 2 038 575, 1969 (J. P. Zumbrunn).
[21] Laporte Chemicals, GB 1 272 592, 1963 (B. K. Howe, F. R. Hary, D. A. Clarke).
[22] BASF, DE 1 166 173, 1962 (R. Platz, W. Fuchs); DE 1 231 230, 1964 (R. Platz, H. Nohe).
[23] E. Costa Novella, Ann. Quim. 68 (1972) no. 3, 325 – 332;Chem. Abstr., 77, 113 760 f.
[24] Imperial Chemical Industries, GB 1 071 902, 1965 (R. A. Rennie).
[25] Inmont Corp., US 3 637 860, 1968 (W. P. Keaveney, J. J. Pappas).
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I have no idea how easily this work, ideally it would be as easy as formaldehyde for methanol but now you bring up the issue of over oxidaton, which I was unaware of. When I posted that I had not done any indepth research, just what I found in Ullmann's. Well this weekend I will be doing some looking into of the references cited. Hopefully there is something feasible. Are the references above any of the same ones you have loked into? Oxidation of acetylene with ozone seems...well...interesting:o

[Edited on 18-2-2005 by rogue chemist]

Quince - 17-2-2005 at 23:51

Is it possible to purchase it instead, without any special license? I don't see it on any restricted lists.

Microtek - 18-2-2005 at 01:33

I didn't have any trouble buying glyoxal through a chemical supplier ( they only sell to companies, but I think most of us know someone who owns a small one-man company ).
Regarding the HBIW --> HNIW route if you choose to go that way; the difficult part is the debenzylation of the isowurtzitane skeleton, not nitration. It is true that in the original China Lake method they used NOBF4 and NO2BF4, but within the last 3-4 years a number of processes involving only HNO3 and optionally H2SO4 have been developed.
They have been published both in the form of patents and in peer reviewed journals such as Propellants, Explosives and Pyrotechnics.

Edit: Let me just clarify: Most of these new methods concern the nitration of debenzylated precursors such as TAIW ( tetraacetylisowurtzitane ) or TADB ( tetraacetyldibenzylIW ). The only places I have seen a method that didn't need Pd-catalysis for preparing the nitration substrate are those mentioned in my thread on roguesci.

[Edited on 18-2-2005 by Microtek]

deiki - 8-8-2006 at 10:41

Does anyone know if the Ebele process with glyoxal instead of paraformaldehyde ( ammonium nitrate + glyoxal + Ac2O ) and some pressure has been discussed or attempted :D ? If it doesn't yield HNIW, maybe it could form another interesting structure or ... nothing :(

franklyn - 3-12-2007 at 18:43

2 stage synth of Cl-20 from a primary amine
( Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane )
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7279572.html

Related download posted by kmno4
Methods of synthesis and properties of hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?action=att...

The original patent _
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5693794.html

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Nixie - 20-12-2007 at 05:53

I'm surprised at the lack of posting here. No hobbyist tried to DIY this yet?

Ritter - 23-7-2008 at 08:01

Quote:
Originally posted by franklyn
2 stage synth of Cl-20 from a primary amine
( Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane )
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7279572.html


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Here is a ChemDraw outline of the SNPE reaction sequence. They use a variety of different amines but the nitration examples are both based on the allylamine condensation product with 40% aqeous glyoxal followed by conventional mixed acid nitration. They state a 40% yield for the N-allyl intermediate but I could not find anything on the yield in the nitration step.

[Edited on 23-7-2008 by Ritter]

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Ritter - 25-7-2008 at 06:39

Here's a ChemDraw summary of the process worked out by Thiokol & later Cordant. See the following US patents:

5723604
5739325
6147209
7129348

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Ritter - 26-7-2008 at 07:37

Here is a variation of the CL-20/HNIW process disclosed in US6391130 (see http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat6391130.pdf). In this vasriation HBIW is converted to TADB which is then converted to TADH which is then nitrated with mixed acids to give the explosive.

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Ritter - 26-7-2008 at 13:26

Just a thought on this thread: anyone planning to duplicate any of this chemistry should check the original patent & other literature references before starting. There are a number of patents describing variations of the different process steps & the amateur experimentalist should first convince himself that he has a complete & clear picture of the chemistry prior to proceeding. While creating the ChemDraw graphiocs files was fun & practice for me, they should not be used as primary references.

Ritter - 26-7-2008 at 13:31

Quote:
Originally posted by BASF
There are numerous patents on its synth.....you will need a lot of expensive equipment and forbidden precursors


I believe Ac2O is on the forbidden list. It is an amphetamine precursor.

Quote:
I think it is so expensive (P2O5, palladium on charcoal-catalyst, very specific glass-equipment,acetonitrile solvent, and and and.....)and time-consuming it would most likely be a very frustating project.......

[Edited on 18-2-2005 by BASF]


I would reccomend a fully equipped lab for this chemistry. Plus a lot of skill.

[Edited on 26-7-2008 by Ritter]

Sauron - 27-7-2008 at 02:49

Actually there are quite a few threads on this substance around.

Some even show what it really looks like structurally.

The drawings above are correct but manage to be correct in a way that conveys little information. The molecule is not flat. The C-C cond between the two 5-membered rings is not ridiculously long.

As you can see from the sketch attached, the piperazine ring is in an inverted boat conformation and the two 5-membered rings parallel each other.

Sometimes the patent drawings are inferior. There is no need to be slavishly devoted to them when more intelligent and informative representations are available.

[Edited on 27-7-2008 by Sauron]

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Ritter - 27-7-2008 at 08:05

The (perceived) aesthetic differences between 2 different extended structural representations of the same fused ring system misses the point of my posts. I was intending to convey the materials flow & reaction chemistry with a number of variations between patents.

As a further indication of the difficulty involved in this synthesis, attached is the lab-scale setup for this synthesis.

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Sauron - 27-7-2008 at 08:30

Ac2O is not on any "forbidden list" whatever that is. It is not a DEA scheduled controlled substance and is in no way a precursor to amphetamine(s).

It may be one of one of the DEA lists of chemicals they watch, mostly because of its role in the production of heroin from morphine (main alkaloid in opium). However this is primarily a problem in heroin producing regions. The US is not a heroin producer but a consumer.

Acetic anhydride is widely used in industry and in research.

Ritter - 27-7-2008 at 08:51

Quote:
Originally posted by Sauron
Ac2O is not on any "forbidden list" whatever that is. It is not a DEA scheduled controlled substance and is in no way a precursor to amphetamine(s).

It may be one of one of the DEA lists of chemicals they watch, mostly because of its role in the production of heroin from morphine (main alkaloid in opium). However this is primarily a problem in heroin producing regions. The US is not a heroin producer but a consumer.

Acetic anhydride is widely used in industry and in research.


I suggest we start another thread as this is OT here.

Ac2O is used, for example, in the Ube phenylacetone synthesis outlined in JP59152342. No English equivalent issued but I have the English abstract from the EPO.

Sauron - 27-7-2008 at 09:40

Starting yet another worthless thread is your answere to everything, Ritter.

Where's the "forbidden list"?

Tracked chemicals are by definition NOT forbidden.

If they were forbidden there would be no sales to track.

Ritter - 27-7-2008 at 11:22

Quote:
Originally posted by Sauron
Starting yet another worthless thread is your answere to everything, Ritter.

Where's the "forbidden list"?

Tracked chemicals are by definition NOT forbidden.

If they were forbidden there would be no sales to track.


You are off topic again.

Sauron - 27-7-2008 at 11:44

Why not just admit you were wrong?

Because you were. Telling you so is not off topic, much as you would like to deem it so.

Engager - 22-8-2008 at 01:39

I've tried to condense potassium sulfamate with glyoxal, in many different conditions, no hexasulfamatoisowurzitane was formed or the yield is neglible, instead tetrahydroxodisulfamatopyperazine is obtained in almost quantative yeild.

I got new idea about how CL-20 can be made. Book "Organic Chemistry of Explosives" at page 278 mentiones that TNGU is easily hydrolised to tetranitraminoethane. That can be good precursor to HNIW, idea is to condense tetrahydroxodisulfamatopyperazine with tetranitraminoethane, this should result in formation of isowurzitane cage with 4 nitrogroups already placed, with 2 sulfamate reminants witch can be easily nitrated to HNIW.

Scheme of reactions, i propose is shown below:


[Edited on 22-8-2008 by Engager]

Axt - 31-8-2008 at 03:16

Heres an abstract, though they dont give much away.

Synthesis and analysis of N,N',N'',N'''-tetranitro-1,1,2,2-ethanetetramine and energetic salts thereof. Lee, YiewWanq; Goede, Patrick; Latypov, Nikolaj; Oestmark, Henric. DSO National Laboratories, Singapore, Singapore. International Annual Conference of ICT (2005), 36th(Energetic Materials), 124/1-124/9. Publisher: Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Chemische Technologie, CODEN: IACIEQ ISSN: 0722-4087. Journal written in English. CAN 144:372481 AN 2005:824848 CAPLUS

Abstract

Conference proceedings. One of the most interesting energetic mols. developed in recent years is the highly energetic polycyclic nitramine, 2,4,6,8,10,12-hexanitro-2,4,6,8,10,12-hexaazaisowurtzitane (CL-20). Due to difficulty in synthesis, the price of this material is very high. Hence, there is a need for an improved method of prepn. The crucial cage formation was envisioned to proceed by condensation of N,N',N'',N'''-tetranitro-1,1,2,2-ethanetetramine (TNAE) with 1,4-diformyl-2,3,5,6-tetrahydroxypiperazine followed by nitration to produce CL-20. In this work, TNAE was prepd. by hydrolysis of tetranitroglycoluril and isolated as the free base. TNAE was converted to the corresponding tetra salts with ammonium (ATNAE), potassium (KTNAE) or guanidinium (GTNAE) as counter ions. TNAE and its salts were characterized and found to be highly energetic with reasonable to low sensitivity which makes them interesting as new energetic ingredients.

Engager - 31-8-2008 at 04:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Axt
Heres an abstract, though they dont give much away.

Synthesis and analysis of N,N',N'',N'''-tetranitro-1,1,2,2-ethanetetramine and energetic salts thereof. Lee, YiewWanq; Goede, Patrick; Latypov, Nikolaj; Oestmark, Henric. DSO National Laboratories, Singapore, Singapore. International Annual Conference of ICT (2005), 36th(Energetic Materials), 124/1-124/9. Publisher: Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Chemische Technologie, CODEN: IACIEQ ISSN: 0722-4087. Journal written in English. CAN 144:372481 AN 2005:824848 CAPLUS

Abstract

Conference proceedings. One of the most interesting energetic mols. developed in recent years is the highly energetic polycyclic nitramine, 2,4,6,8,10,12-hexanitro-2,4,6,8,10,12-hexaazaisowurtzitane (CL-20). Due to difficulty in synthesis, the price of this material is very high. Hence, there is a need for an improved method of prepn. The crucial cage formation was envisioned to proceed by condensation of N,N',N'',N'''-tetranitro-1,1,2,2-ethanetetramine (TNAE) with 1,4-diformyl-2,3,5,6-tetrahydroxypiperazine followed by nitration to produce CL-20. In this work, TNAE was prepd. by hydrolysis of tetranitroglycoluril and isolated as the free base. TNAE was converted to the corresponding tetra salts with ammonium (ATNAE), potassium (KTNAE) or guanidinium (GTNAE) as counter ions. TNAE and its salts were characterized and found to be highly energetic with reasonable to low sensitivity which makes them interesting as new energetic ingredients.


Can you get this reference? I have both 1,4-diformyl-2,3,5,6-tetrahydroxypiperazine and TNAE prepared, witch are conditions for mentioned condensation?

Axt - 31-8-2008 at 10:58

No I dont have access to the article, though i suspect that it doesn't give the conditions of the condensation. The fact that it wasn't mentioned in the title/abstract either suggests that it was a failure or a just preliminary investigation of the precursor TNAE.

I may be wrong or it may hold other leads to the reaction, if your desperate enough it is for sale online:
http://www.ict.fraunhofer.de/EN/VuM/Proceedings/index.jsp

For the prep of TNAE, is it as simple as reacting 1 mol TNGU with 4 mol NaOH and precipitating with HCl?

Engager - 1-9-2008 at 01:47

Quote:
Originally posted by Axt
No I dont have access to the article, though i suspect that it doesn't give the conditions of the condensation. The fact that it wasn't mentioned in the title/abstract either suggests that it was a failure or a just preliminary investigation of the precursor TNAE.

I may be wrong or it may hold other leads to the reaction, if your desperate enough it is for sale online:
http://www.ict.fraunhofer.de/EN/VuM/Proceedings/index.jsp

For the prep of TNAE, is it as simple as reacting 1 mol TNGU with 4 mol NaOH and precipitating with HCl?


Yes, but TNAE is soluble and not precipitates as easy as you writen, TNGU hydrolizes in alkali envouriment almost permanently (like sodium carbonate with acid), in neutral conditions conversion cal also be completed but takes longer time.

Peroxid - 1-12-2010 at 04:28

Hi!

Have somebody success with synth of TADB ( from HBIW (the usual way to reductive debenzylating)?
I did many experiments to synth TADB, but i haven't succes with it, i always got a brown oil :/
Any idea? Thanks in advance!

ksj_6808 - 6-8-2012 at 16:19

40% Glyoxal can be bought at www.elementalscientific.net.
And you dont have to be a company, anyone can buy there!!

caterpillar - 18-8-2012 at 01:15

Quote: Originally posted by Engager  
I've tried to condense potassium sulfamate with glyoxal, in many different conditions, no hexasulfamatoisowurzitane was formed or the yield is neglible, instead tetrahydroxodisulfamatopyperazine is obtained in almost quantative yeild.


here is the link: http://www.pirotek.info/VV/HNIW_CL20_.html . If you have problems reading russian text, I translate it. 9.71г sulphamic acid mixed with 5 gr H2O. Slowly added 5.6 gr KOH dissolved in 6 gr H2O , cooling this mixture, than added few drops of solution of KOH to make pH slightly basic. Some additional water to dissolve all kalium sulphamate, then a little bit of sulphamic acid to make pH= 3-5 . Then added 4.84 gr 40% solution of glyoxal during 60 min. Stirred mixture for 3 ours, than waited for 40 ours (may be you wanted to get desirable compound too quickly?). Filtered precipitate weigh 6.2 gr. Then nitration- 3ml 98% HNO3 + 0.5 ml 96% H2SO4. Stirred for 2 ours cooling mixture by means of ice bath, then 4 ours at room temperature. Then put all into crushed ice.

caterpillar - 18-8-2012 at 01:20

Sorry, small correction. Then nitration- NOT ALL AMOUNT, OBTAINED AT THE PREVIOUS STAGE BUT ONLY 0.8 GR OF IT is to be placed into mixed acid- 3ml 98% HNO3 + 0.5 ml 96% H2SO4. Stirred for 2 ours cooling mixture by means of ice bath, then 4 ours at room temperature.

detonator - 31-8-2012 at 06:32

I think that the most troublesome is the hydrogenolysis step.

I've always wanted to seek a way to omit this step.

caterpillar - 17-10-2012 at 16:47

I found some info about condensation of potassium sulfamate with glyoxal. One russian book, here is the reaction's scheme:

There are three sorts of explosives, which can be obtained in that way. Bad news is that the most interesting compound (92) has very small yield. (90) is the well-known TEX, (91) is the powerful explosive (not as powerful, as CL-20), but interesting too.

Adas - 19-10-2012 at 04:19

I think that TNGU is very very powerful itself :D

AndersHoveland - 1-11-2012 at 11:51

Here is some information about Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane, which is sometimes referred to using the acronym HNIW, or by the code-name Cl-20:

Heat of formation (observed): +228 cal/g
Detonation Velocity: 9.38 km/sec
Density: 1.98 g/cm3
Calculated detonation pressure: 428 kbar

The alpha crystal structure consists of rhombic prisms, while the beta consists of either colorless needles or chunky prisms.

Impact sensitivity: using 2.5 kg "hammer" to measure the drop height required to produce a 50% probability of detonation, the alpha form gave an average value of 17cm, while the beta form gave a value of 21cm. Compare this with a value between 23 and 25 cm for HMX.

A plasticized composition of 90% HNIW and a 10% mix of HTPB (used as solid rocket binder) and PL1 (plasticizer which is a 1:1 ratio copolymer of poly(3-butyl-co-3,4-dibutylthiophene and 3-butyl and 3,4-dibutyl thiophene) is recommended since Cl-20 is somewhat more sensitive than HMX. This composition has measured VOD of 7.83 km/s, with calculated pressure of 330 kbar. So while HNIW seems to be powerful in its pure form, this pure compound is not very practical. The safer and easier to handle plasticized/castable composition of HNIW does not have extremely impressive performance. There are several other highly energetic and more insensitive compounds that require less plasticizer and binder to be both tolerably resistant to impact and have desirable moldable/castable properties. Another thing to consider is that HNIW in compositions is significantly less dense (1.82 g/cm3) than the pure compound, whereas the other nitramines do not lose as much density when formed into compositions.


Synthesis of the Precursor:

HBIW is one of the precursors to HNIW, and basically has the same molecular shape and structure of HNIW except that the 6 nitro groups are all replaced by benzyl groups (basically just toluene molecules connected on their methyl groups).

The procedure for making HBIW (2,4,6,8,10,12-Hexabenzyl-2 ,4,6,8,10,12-hexaaza-tetracyklo [5.5.0.0.0] dodecane) stems from J. Org.Chem. (1990), 55, 1459. (1990), 55, 1459th.
To verify only a slight adjustment of preparation was made.

O=CH-CH=O ...... formic acid, CH3CN
........................... ---------------------------> HBIW
C6H5-CH2-NH2


A. From left to right in the picture: formic acid of 80-90% concentration, acetonitrile as solvent, 40% aqueous solution of glyoxal, and bezylamine:
HNIW-01.jpg - 34kB


B. The two-liter Erlenmeyer flask will present one liter of acetonitrile, 100 ml, 120 ml of benzylamine (117.9 g, 1.1 mol) and 4.8 ml 80-90% formic acid (5.76 g, 0.11 mol). Flask placed in a bath of ice and water and stir (preferably with a magnetic stirrer). Wait until the temperature drops below 15 ° C.
(picture on the right below)

C. To the solution slowly, stirring constantly, add Glyoxal 40% (72.5 g, 57 ml, 0.5 mol). The whole procedure should take about an hour. Adding either through a dropping funnel or better using a peristaltic pump. The temperature should not exceed 20°C. Shortly after beginning the addition of glyoxal in a solution of the product begins to appear as a white crystalline cavities, (as shown in the picture on the left). When introduced into all the glyoxal reaction, remove the cooling bath and the solution for about 30 minutes stir.
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D, then remove the stirrer, cover the top of the flask with aluminum foil, and place it in a dark place. Leave it at room temperature for 24 hours. During this time, will slowly change color from white to a mixture of yellow and orange:
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E. Finally, crystals of the product are filtered and twice rinsed with acetonitrile. The filtrate can strip aqueous acetonitrile and use it for the next reaction. In this case, has distilled all the liquid, but only 80-90% of the volume.
The solvent thus obtained can be used for further condensation, it only add acetonitrile to volume of 1100 ml. Do not add water.
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F. The product can be obtained by being recrystallized in acetonitrile, and can then be used without any purification for the next reaction. The product from this procedure should be around 90 g (0.12 mol, 76%) of HBIW, you can see the final picture below. HBIW is a slightly yellowish white solid with a melting point of 155-157 °C.
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[Edited on 1-11-2012 by AndersHoveland]

Recrystalization of CL-20

SyphonNexus - 18-1-2013 at 21:53

Here is another possible recrytalization method that yields a more impact insensitive HNIW. More insensitive then RDX and HMX. Though it only hints at it in in the pdf as I see it, but I'm inexperienced and still learning maybe y'all can make better use of this info.

www.wydawnictwa.ipo.waw.pl/cejem/Cejem-8-3.../Elbeih.pdf

EDIT: Copy and paste link to a search engine. The PDF file should be the first result.

[Edited on 19-1-2013 by SyphonNexus]

franklyn - 19-1-2013 at 02:28

Crystallization & Characterization of RDX HMX & CL-20
www.researchgate.net/publication/231229915_Crystallization_and_Characterization_of_RDX_HMX_and_CL-20/file/79e4150b73a605f438.pdf

CL-20 Sensitivity Round Robin
www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a415096.pdf

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SyphonNexus - 19-1-2013 at 10:51

Does the geometry of the crystals also play a part in its shock sensitivity? I know the structure of the chemical it-self plays a dominate role.

EDIT: Never mind I found my answer in the "Crystallization & Characterization of RDX HMX & CL-20" PDF.

[Edited on 19-1-2013 by SyphonNexus]

AndersHoveland - 21-1-2013 at 16:50

Researchers recently made a cocrystalline form of HNIW with HMX. It has the same sensitivity as HMX but has a detonation velocity 100 m/s higher. The crystal consists of HNIW and HMX in a 2 to 1 molar ratio, respectively.
"High Power Explosive with Good Sensitivity: A 2:1 Cocrystal of CL-20:HMX" Cryst. Growth Des., 2012, 12 (9), pp 4311–4314

Seems like a practical incremental improvement.

[Edited on 22-1-2013 by AndersHoveland]

SyphonNexus - 21-1-2013 at 17:23

Isn't the power of an energetic material the square of its VoD? If so isn't 100 m/s a nice improvement?

AndersHoveland - 21-1-2013 at 19:30

Quote: Originally posted by SyphonNexus  
Isn't the power of an energetic material the square of its VoD? If so isn't 100 m/s a nice improvement?

Yes, a small increase in velocity does represent a greater increase in explosive force, especially for velocities that are already high. But this 100 m/s increase actually only represents a 2.2% increase in explosive power here.

Not a big ammount, but the extra expense for this small improvement in explosive performance can still be economically justified in a military weapons delivery system with a high cost, as the price of the explosive charge may only represent a tiny fraction of the overall cost of the weapon. During the Gulf War, one American military advisor described it this way: "We are using a 1.2 million dollar cruise missile to carry what basically ammounts to just a hand grenade. Whoever ordered that attack should be court marshalled."

Also to mention, the strategy of cocrystallization is never going to lead to any huge breakthroughs, as crystallization is more of a physical phenomena, and the molecar composition is by far a much greater factor.

[Edited on 22-1-2013 by AndersHoveland]

AndersHoveland - 30-9-2013 at 23:28

attached is information comparing sensitivity of pure Cl-20 to its lower sensitivity co-crystal with HMX.

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