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Storing sodium

neutrino - 14-5-2006 at 18:47

I finally got my hands on a few dozen grams of Na-metal and I want to know how best to store it for future use.

Ideally I would store this stuff under a vacuum in a sealed ampoule. Not having a strong vacuum pump or a sufficiently large ampoule, this is not an option for me.

The method I’ve seen most is storing it under mineral oil. I tried that but it always develops a pesky oxide layer after a week or two. Some oxygen will always dissolve in the oil and get to the Na, eventually forming a white crust of sodium (hydr)oxide.

I tried storing it under paraffin wax but this didn’t work out so well. When the wax solidifies (after I add the Na) it always contracts and pulls away from the side of the container. This allows air to come very close to the sodium and gives it a short path to travel before it hits the metal and, once again, oxidizes it.

Would Vaseline work any better? I know that it doesn’t pull away from container walls when contracting during solidification. It’s not a liquid, so oxygen shouldn’t diffuse into it as quickly. Right?

The_Davster - 14-5-2006 at 21:26

I have seen very very old alkalis in various storage mediums thanks to a new contact of mine.

When I got my sodium, it had been in a lab occasionally used for 11 years maximum. It was under parafin oil (not wax), a liquid less viscous than mineral oil. I transfered it to a jar of mineral oil a while ago, the oxidation layer does not seem much thicker if at all, but only time can tell.

I also attempted to get some lithium, but the bottle was ancient and over time the parafin oil had evaporated(cap was leaky) leaving the top 4 cm of the lithium sticks exposed. An entire 100g bottle of lithium rods was mostly lithium hydroxide with perhaps 5g of lithium metal left.
(sorry ChrisTG, I tried)

I have seen sodium stored under benzene, big brick sized lumps of sodium with an oxide layer which looks really thick. Oxygen must dissolve in benzene apreciably.

I attempted obtaining potassium as well, however the can available was really, really old, most of the K must have reacted making KOH which was eating away at the can. It looked like it had tumors. Due to potential superoxide formation I left this can alone.

I would say that tightly sealed containers of alkalis under mineral oil are the best, any oxygen in the container will react with the sodium making the oxide layer, with a tightly sealed container hopefully no more oxygen can get into react. Just keep the container closed and minimize how much you play with the contents;).

I would only go with vaccuum ampoules if you want to keep it shiny. Interestingly enough, my lab job has taught me how to make vaccuum ampoules by use of 2 sizes of glass tube, oxy hydrogen torch and a vaccuum pump. Learning to work with glass takes a lot of patience (and burns)

[Edited on 15-5-2006 by rogue chemist]

garage chemist - 15-5-2006 at 04:36

I have some 2 years old sodium which is still fresh and with minimal oxide layer (less than a mm thick).
It is stored under low- viscosity paraffin oil, in a glass bottle with screw cap.
The trick is to fill the container nearly completely full with the oil, so that only a very small airspace is in there.
That way only a small amount of oxygen can get into it each time the container is opened, and it keeps much better that way.

We have some sodium in school, in a halfway- oilfilled bottle and it has turned mostly into oxide.
Filling the container completely with oil is most important!
Also, the cap must seal tightly.

If those precautions are met, sodium can be stored for many years with minimal loss, even with frequent use.

Fleaker - 15-5-2006 at 16:48

Just keep it under kerosene or mineral oil in a tightly sealed bottle, just as everyone else has recommended. I've seen pounds of it stored in the stock room that's over 40 years old, and it's still in good condition. So don't worry about it oxidizing to dust. A couple months ago, I opened a 22 year old 100g can of it (rusted completely) to find a white brick :) After inspection with a large, flat-bladed spatula, I realized that the oxide was only 1/4" thick, underneath that was the whitish/gold sodium. Despite how soft it was, it was still a pain to cut. Once you warm some up in your gloved hand, it's kind of like cold butter.

IrC - 15-5-2006 at 20:46

Could you post a detailed example of using the 2 size glass tubes to seal an ampoule?

The_Davster - 15-5-2006 at 21:26

1)get 2 small diameter glass tubes, these will be the neck of the ampoule, choose size accordingly. Also get a larger diameter glass tube for the main ampoule body
2) Using a graphite rod for manipulation and a very hot torch(I use oxy-hydrogen) and wearing special goggles, glass gets white hot, play the hot ends of the small diameter glass tubes into flared ends. Symetry good here.
3) Insert flared small glas tube into larger diameter glass tube. Heat large glass tube on edge and using the graphite rod while rotating the tube assembly push the heated outer glass onto the inner flare.
4) While rotating the tube with the flame on the joint gently pull the tubes in oposite directions. Play the glass with graphite rod if you gotta fill little holes. 3 hands would be nice here, I usually rotate with my left hand, steady other side and pull with right pinky while holding the graphite with the first 3 fingers of my right hand.
5) Repeat for other small flared tube and oposite side of large tube.
6) once satisfied that you have no holes(vaccuum pump makes funny sounds later if they arent sealed) heat the centre of the tube while rotating. Draw out glass when soft. Use graphite to get nice ends on ampoule bottoms.
7) Ampoules get filled, attached to the vaccuum line, evacuated for 30 min, and under vaccuum the neck of the ampoule is heated while rotating(otherwise vaccuum sucks glass in and can pop the tube there) and carefully drawn out/sealed.

Wear gloves when beginning! Worst part is flaring the small tubes, heat goes through tube and out other end, right where your gloved hand is. With non-dry tubes steam comes out which gets painful.

And a paint diagram:

making ampoules.JPG - 40kB

mick - 18-5-2006 at 12:56

To store the sodium, you could pre-treat the mineral oil like clarifing butter. Warm it up slowly to get rid of any water and air.

mick

neutrino - 18-5-2006 at 16:25

I pre-treated it by adding a little sodium beforehand. The oil was very clean and reacted little with the metal.

neutrino - 15-6-2006 at 18:15

Update: I checked on the metal today. There was still no air present in the bottle and the sodium was still relatively shiny.

This storage method is definitely working but it has some drawbacks. To get small amounts of Na out, you must cast it as small globules before putting it in the bottle. This is long, tedious, and exposes a huge surface for oxidation. You can only really get the pieces in and out if you use a wide-mouthed bottle and large tweezers.

To close the bottle, you need to top off the oil, screw the lid on, and hope there’s no air bubble in the bottle. This always causes some oil to spill, making this process messy and a general pain. Don't even think about putting labels on these bottles because they will get oily fast.

I have a new idea, but I'm not sure if it's worth the extra effort.

First, start with a suitably sized syringe. Add some mineral oil and remove the air bubbles. Then, simply suck up your sodium into the syringe. When you’re done, plug the end.

This way, oxygen has only two ways to get to the sodium. The first is between the rubber septum and the plastic wall of the syringe. This is supposed to be a tight fit, so I doubt much diffusion will happen here. Just to be safe, you could fill the air space between the septum and the plastic wall (a ring of air, several mL) with vaseline. This would harden on cooling, impeding air molecules. (Wax wouldn’t work because it contracts too much on cooling. Plain mineral oil might also do the job.)

The second way in is through the exit point of the syringe. This is only a couple of mm<sup>2</sup> and can easily be plugged.

This would have its own ritual to extract the sodium, of course. First the whole mess would need to be melted with a steam bath or maybe a blow dryer. The tip would be plugged to keep air out and the piston would be allowed to move freely to accommodate the volume changes that occur from melting. Next, the desired amount of liquid metal could be squeezed out, the tip replugged, and the whole thing be allowed to cool down. This way oxidation is kept to an absolute minimum without an inert atmosphere. :D

The main problem here is the rubber in the septum. I don’t know what these are usually made of. Some rubbers (e.g. neoprene) contain chlorine, others sulfur, but I have no idea what kind they use in syringes. Does anyone know?

12AX7 - 15-6-2006 at 19:55

I've got to imagine any rubber would be permeable, although, certain rubbers are used for vacuum apparatus, so there must be suitable ones.

I'm having bad images of a tube of silicone caulk that I discovered the other week. I cut open the end and gave the gun a squeeze, nothing. What the heck. I cut the casing open, turns out the remaining product was a white cylinder of rubber! The very center was still a little gooey, though useless.

Tim

Jdurg - 18-6-2006 at 07:53

Storing alkali metals is a royal pain in the ass. With Cesium and Rubidium, at least you have but one option and that's sealing the metals inside a glass ampoule. (My Rb and Cs are still bright and shiney to this day. :D ). But for Li, Na, and K you just need to accept "some" loss due to oxidation.

Lithium, in particular, is the most difficult because of the fact that it not only reacts with oxygen, but with nitrogen as well at room temperature. Therefore, it will react with 90+ percent of the composition of the atmosphere. In addition, it is so incredibly not dense that it will float in typical mineral oil.

What I've done to store my alkali metals is a multi-step process. The first thing I did was purchase some jars with a screw-top cap that could be vacuum sealed if one wanted to. (I just don't have the apparatus needed to seal the jars). The jars were thoroughly cleaned and some Teflon Tape was wrapped around the threads of the jars to ensure a tight fit was made. I then went and heated the mineral oil that I had until no more gas bubbles were forming and escaping. The oil was quickly placed into a bottle and the top put on it to prevent any gases from seeping back in.

At this point in time I took the alkali metals I had and scraped off some oxidation to leave one side bright and shiney and the rest quite oxidized. (As a way to show the oxidation of the metals). The sodium was just a bunch of chunks because I bought two ounces of it and they came in tiny little lumps. Some of it was cut, but most of it was just put right in. The jars were filled half-way with my still warm mineral oil. Then the metals were placed in there and the jars topped off with mineral oil. The tops were screwed on VERY tightly, then more Teflon Tape was wrapped around the outside sealing the area where the cap met the jar. I then wrapped some electrical tape on top of the Teflon Tape to provide yet another seal.

All of this was done about 5 or 6 months ago and the bright surfaces are as bright as they've ever been. On the potassium, however, something odd has begun to happen. I had excised some possible peroxide contamination on a freshly cut surface leaving a few areas that were pure metal; no oxidation. There areas where pure metal was showing have taken on a metallic, blood red color. The sheen is VERY metallic, but the color is a deep, dark red. This does not appear to be any type of peroxide/superoxide on the surface as those are generally yellow in color. I think what's happening is that any peroxide/superoxide on the crust of the potassium has begun to decay due to the lack of oxygen in the surrounding oil. This oxygen is then slowly reacting with the exposed metal surface forming an anondized layer of potassium oxide on the fresh metal surface. As K2O is far more stable than K2O2 or KO2, this layer will remain stable for a long, long time. Looking at all parts of this potassium chunk, I see little red dots in the pits of the oxide crust. I truly think this is being caused by slow decomposition of the peroxides/superoxides on the metal surface. It's actually really neat to see. I'm tempted to open up the jar and cut off some more fresh metal surface then re-seal again, but it's a lot of work to seal it up like I have it now. :D

12AX7 - 18-6-2006 at 08:18

Hmm interesting. Is it turning other colors in other spots? Red sounds like an interference color to me (K2O is white, right?).

Tim

woelen - 18-6-2006 at 10:22

Jdurg, could you make some macro pictures of this and post them here? It sounds very interesting. It reminds me of the niobium experiment I did, which could obtain blue and yellow colors, due to anodizing.

Jdurg - 18-6-2006 at 14:17

@woelen: I'll definitely do that. Just give me a bit of time to go and get a good setup.

@12AX7: The only color there is the blood red color. K2O is indeed a bright white, though initially it is a purplish color. Once I get the images up you'll see what I'm talking about.

Jdurg - 18-6-2006 at 14:29

Okay, below is as big a macro as I can get right now. The battery on my camera is just about to die so it has a good deal of trouble trying to zoom in. Hopefully there will be enough detail. My apologies for the poor quality of the photo. It's currently 6:30 at night and the sun is at a level which pretty much ruins any photography attempt while increasing the temperature in my abode by a great deal. (My Ga sample is liquid right now, so it's pretty warm in here).

I can see some brownish discoloration on areas of the potassium, and that appears to be some minor peroxide/superoxide formation. However it's not enough to cause me any concern. In reality, the amount is slowly going away which seems to confirm my initial belief that the unstable oxides are decomposing and a very thin oxide layer is forming on the bare metal spots.



Nerro - 18-6-2006 at 15:39

I've looked it up and KO2 is a yellow solid, not bloodred like this.

Might it be some sub-oxide? I knwo that suboxides of Cs exist. Maybe this also goes for K...

12AX7 - 18-6-2006 at 15:57

Oooh, that's *weird*!

Any chance it's something in the oil? Doubt it, but...

Tim

Jdurg - 18-6-2006 at 17:03

I'm pretty certain that it's not the oil. I've had this lump of potassium for quite some time now. I originally got it and had it in some cheap, unboiled mineral oil and the side of the lump that is shown in the photo above was freshly cut. All around the rest of the lump was an oxide crust which had the occasional spot of yellow/orange on it. I kept it in a simple screw-top jar with mineral oil in there, but no Teflon tape seal. Over time, it slowly oxidized and the bright metal finish took on the classic purple haze of potassium oxidation.

I didn't pay much attention to it until I noticed spots of yellow and orange discoloration on the corners of the cut. Any part where there was a sharp corner was starting to get this peroxide/superoxide coating on it. Believing at the time that all peroxides were super dangerous (something which I've later learned is a bit exaggerated. Most peroxide/superoxide accidents happened while the potassium was cut under highly flammable liquids like kerosense or ligroin, etc), I wanted to cut off the peroxides. I saw the bulk of it on the corners of the lump, so I cut them off exposing a fresh surface. That is when I put the lump into the container above. (And disposed of the cutoff in a nice puddle. Beautiful lilac fire resulted).

For the longest of time the fresh metal surface remained. Slowly, however, it began to take on a reddish hue. I was puzzled by this, because at the same time the yellow spots began to shrink and little "pits" formed on the oxide crust. All the while, the red colors deepened. I had/have no clue what that is. I do not know of ANY potassium compounds that are that color of red. (Or red at all for that matter). Noticing the little pin-hole sized pits developing, and the disappearance of the peroxide/superoxide, I began to think that perhaps it was a normal potassium oxide formation, but of the VERY thinnest of amounts. If the jar is air-tight, then no further oxidation from atmospheric oxygen could happen. (And based on my sodium/lithium sample that may be the case). After seeing numerous different anondized metals, I thought that maybe a similar action was happening here with my potassium.

The_Davster - 18-8-2006 at 20:51

Today I cut a piece of sodium off a larger block in the lab I work(ed) at. The only oil I could find was some parrafin oil which was opened 30 years ago, and the bottle had not been used or moved in 10 years. I put the chunk of sodium in there, and it is the best damn oil I have ever used to store sodium. The sodium is still as shiny as when it was first cut. Must be all the air in the oil left the oil during the extended storage time without being disturbed.

I had never bothered to pretreat my mineral oil with sodium before, so I was amazed how much difference this makes.

Magpie - 19-8-2006 at 18:39

Is mineral oil the best cover oil for sodium? I don't have any but see it on the shelves at the pharmacies. I have some odorless BBQ starter fluid which I believe is essentially kerosene. This seems like it would be easier to blot off the sodium when you want to use it. Or does it make any difference?

I don't have any sodium but plan to make it soon. :)

not_important - 19-8-2006 at 19:08

It is traditional to store Na and K under rock oil, kerosine, or some similar high boiling cut; before using the freshly cut pieces would be quickly blotted and then rinsed with toluol or xylol, and perhaps finally with petroleum ether.


Mineral oil has the advantage that it is very difficult to ignite. In some cases you don't need to do a real thorough cleaning job, it's boiling range is above many if not most substances being synthesised and so would be left behind during distillation.

ordenblitz - 19-8-2006 at 19:32

Does anyone happen to know how much the hydroxide layer that forms on the surface of sodium, will slow down the further conversion of the metal? If one had say a 5" diameter log of Na with a 1/8 hydroxide sealing layer. How long could one expect the piece to last? Just looking for opinions since stumbling on a great deal for 6.6 pounds of the stuff in two big logs. I have sealed them in several PE bags and placed each in a new paint can.

I have been thinking about what to do for the long term since this should last me my lifetime if taken care of properly. Maybe getting some 1 qt paint cans and hacking off smaller ~1 lb pieces, flushing with argon and soldering the tops on. But possibly that is overkill if these logs just develop a good 1/4” to1/2” thick surface layer and stop there.

Hmm what to do.

Fleaker - 20-8-2006 at 10:23

@ordenblitz: I know that I found a 3" diameter by 2" inch 118g piece of sodium in the stockroom (making Na methoxide) that was at least 25 years old and had never been opened. Upon opening it (in a metal can, with a screwdriver) I found that it was completely covered in its oxide and probably its carbonate as well. The thick white layer was about 1 cm or 3/8" thick. So, for unprotected sodium that is decades old it seems it does not oxidize to a severe extent.

I think there is a threshold where it will not progress any further into the metal. Upon cutting the rod in half, I could clearly see how thick the layer was since the rose-colored sodium is in stark contrast with the snow-white oxide. If you want to clean yours up, you can melt the sodium under mineral oil in a metal can or steel pipe and skim off the oxide and then 'cast' the sodium into cold oil. It will quickly solidify into shiny irregular lumps.

Since you have pounds of sodium, would you be inclined to sell any or trade any? I know you're a fan of stockpiling reagents, but c'mon :P Anyway, I'll u2u.

neutrino - 20-8-2006 at 12:22

What about melting the sodium under oil and pouring it into a suitably sized wine bottle? If the bottle is filled up to the neck only a small area can be attacked by oxygen, as opposed to the huge area present on the original lump. This seems like it would be much more suitable for long term storage.

woelen - 20-8-2006 at 13:10

I also have some sodium (no, not pounds, just a few tens of grams ;) ), and now I store it under colorless and clear paraffin oil. I wonder, can I store it under ligroin or petroleum ether? The fact, that it is stored under oil keeps me off from experimenting with it. It is a real mess to get out some of the Na-metal. It would be much more convenient to store it under a volatile liquid. When a piece is cut off, simply dab it with some cotton and then let the liquid evaporate. Nice and clean.

What is the reason that nobody does this?

chromium - 20-8-2006 at 13:42

IIRC xylene can be used to store sodium.

Edit: Do not know about petroleum ether but problem with many solvents is that oxygen and water are somewhat soluble in them. Not much is needed to eat all your sodium away with month or two.

[Edited on 20-8-2006 by chromium]

The_Davster - 20-8-2006 at 14:30

I think it is not more commonly stored under lower boiling liquids because it could evaporate during storage. In the lab I worked at the majority of air reactive metals(alkali, alkali earth, rare earth, actinides) were stored in bulk under oil and small ammounts were stored separatly under hexane.

samdar - 20-8-2006 at 20:54

very danerious to store under ether because most ether and other solvents are not dry when you by them and may ignite with the sodium. Stick to the mineral oil. You can drive the oxygen out of the oil by bubbling nitrogen through it.

Fleaker - 21-8-2006 at 19:31

It can be kept under pet ether, it's just a mixture of fractions. As a matter of fact, one of the bottles in the lab has bottled sodium sitting under pet ether.


I like neutrino's method of just melting it, it's not hard to do with a warm oil bath and not particularly dangerous. Still, it would be incovenient for anything but long term storage.


Anyone thought of vacuum packing it?

The_Davster - 15-10-2006 at 14:43

I figured I would make a few little sodium ampoules today. I melted sodium under parafin oil/mineral oil and sucked it up in a pipet which I then sealed with a torch. Some turned out nicer than others. Melting was simply done over an alcohol burner, and the shinier samples I think are a result of the temp of the molten Na.

sodium ampoules.JPG - 36kB

Eclectic - 15-10-2006 at 14:55

I have some sodium bricks I was thinking in wraping in fiberglass cloth then dipping in melted microcrystaline wax for long term storage, sort of like storing cheese. So far, they seem to be holding up just fine wet with heavy mineral oil and double ziplock baged with all the air pressed out (3 years or so).

Fleaker - 15-10-2006 at 17:51

As long as the bag is sealed shut perfectly (and we discount diffusion through the plastic :P) with say melting, the sodium will remove all of the CO2 and O2 out of the atmosphere of the bag. I store cut pieces of sodium under mineral oil, but that's only because they have a higher surface area and I want to keep them clean. The larger logs I keep in a large bag that I've melted shut, then put in another bag and melted shut again. The sodium creates a partial vacuum in the first bag because it reacts to form NaOH, Na2CO3, and Na2O. The oxidized portion is a very thin crust (maybe less than a fraction of a milimeter).

labi - 15-10-2006 at 20:36

youcan best store it in kerosene or liquid paraffin that is how i was storing about 100gm in my lab from a year

prole - 7-11-2006 at 12:51

Hello all,

I've suddenly found myself in possession of a little sodium. I hastily threw a storage system together because the block was covered with oxides and I didn't want raw sodium sitting around. I tried a small chunk in mineral oil, and immediately hundreds of tiny bubbles, presumably hydrogen, evolved. I then threw another small chunk in some kerosene, and got the same bubbles. No fizzing, hissing, popping, exploding... Just a gentle, smooth bubbling, which subsided within about 20 minutes. I put the main chunks in a metal paint can, and covered all with kerosene to the top of the can, to limit air exposure. I went with kerosene because I feel that it will be easier to rinse off than mineral oil. Now, with the bubbles, I'm slightly concerned about pressure building up in the can and blowing the top off. Should I be worried? I'm gonna burp the can later to see if any pressure built up. Is the can, which is lined with some corrosion resistant material, a safe place to store sodium? I was gonna use a mason jar, but the chunk wouldn't fit through the hole, and I didn't want to cut it all up. I'm also thinking about sealing the lid with rubber cement, or similar to further keep out air and moisture. I feel it's safe at the moment, but any input from y'all would be greatly appreciated. I'm after SAFETY FIRST and then preserving as much of the beautiful metal as possible.

S.C. Wack - 7-11-2006 at 14:56

Mineral oil contains measurable water unless it has been dehydrated. You've dehydrated yours.

Fleaker - 1-1-2007 at 23:42

Here is a picture of that sodium metal from the can mentioned up above for reference. This was rather dirty sodium, but at least you all can see how soft it is. I am cutting it up on aluminum foil, like an idiot, but it was a spur of the moment thing. I could actually hear the hydroxide hissing and popping as it reacted with the aluminum. This was for reaction with anhydrous methanol to produce Na methoxide. The scrap trimmings went into a stockpot and were disposed of :) Apologies for the large photo.





[Edited on 2-1-2007 by Fleaker]

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YT2095 - 2-1-2007 at 02:42

I`ve got mine stored in a food jar (airtight) under pharmacutical grade white parafin, it`s been there for over 5 years and beyond a little surface tarnish, it`s still perfectly fine and viable.

The Davster, I really like what you`ve done there! I stofe most of my elements in such ampuoles (also home made), I just havent gotten around to doing the Na yet, thnx for the Idea/Method :)

Zinc - 12-1-2007 at 16:22

I store my sodium in a tightly sealed bottle under parafin oil.
Holds up just fine!

The_Davster - 12-1-2007 at 17:21

OK weird...remember Jdurg's red potassium? Well my homemade sodium ampoules turned blue.:o. Only the shiniest sample did not turn blue.

(pics tomorrow or day after, camera borrowed)

Jdurg - 13-1-2007 at 11:01

Quote:
Originally posted by The_Davster
OK weird...remember Jdurg's red potassium? Well my homemade sodium ampoules turned blue.:o. Only the shiniest sample did not turn blue.

(pics tomorrow or day after, camera borrowed)


Wow! I'm pretty sure that my potassium is an ozonide compound, but I'm still not sure about that. This blue color on the potassium also takes me by surprise. I wonder what the hell is going on here to create these odd colored ionic compounds, and what they heck they are. (As an update to my potassium, there is now a huge covering of metallic-red ionic substance over the surface of it. Yet, in other areas parts that used to be covered by a white oxide are now completely metallic and oxide free. I really wish I could donate this sample to a research lab and find out what the heck is going on.

woelen - 14-1-2007 at 09:41

A similar thing I noticed with cerium, stored under mineral oil. First, the sample was shiny, like this (I scratched away some of the blue layer):



Lateron it turns blue again:



So, this effect seems to be quite common and there are multiple metals, which are affected by it.

[Edited on 14-1-07 by woelen]

Jdurg - 14-1-2007 at 10:14

Nice sample woelen. I know that cerium forms a green oxide compound when stored over time in a non-inert atmosphere. I would think that blue coloring would be possible as well due to the similarity between green and blue. (One little change in the wavelength and you get green as opposed to blue. Layer interference could cause that as well). It will be interesting to see the blue color on his sodium sample though.

The_Davster - 14-1-2007 at 10:33

Here is the pic, some of the blue washed out though. It is important to note that blue 'stuff' formed on the areas of sodium where upon making the ampoules there was only a very thin layer of oxide on the sodium. Areas where there was absolutly no oxide layer were unaffected, and an amopule where an end was broken off allowing oxygen slowly in, did not show a blue color as it oxidized. The 3 leftmost are lighter blue than the second from the right, some colour washed out in the picture. Far right is the one open to the air, and has no blue whatsoever.

So far, what seems to happen is that the blue stuff forms on a thin oxide layer between sodium metal and glass when no more oxygen is allowed to get to it. Leading me to think it is some sort of suboxide. It could be some sort of reaction with glass as well, but Jdurg's sample is not in contact with glass. Could also be some sort of solid solution of sodium in sodium oxide that reflects light differently.

I have had the opportunity to work with the first 4 lanthanides by the kilo (they made the summer student(me) hacksaw the pieces into smaller pieces:P), so I saw all of them in their various oxidized states. When lumps of each are only exposed to the air for a few hours, usually a deep blue oxide layer forms on La, Ce, and to a lesser extent, Pr and Nd, Pr and Nd are still rather shiny after such time. After a few days on small pieces of the metal, they are simply a white powder. Never expierenced this with the ingots,these were too precious to leave out.

I kept the filings from such work, and in a sealed vial they were storing nicely, untill the humidity in my basement changed and I was left with vials of oxide:mad::mad::mad:. The showed the same colour changes from shiny to blue to black to white, as the degree of oxidation increased.

blue sodium.JPG - 19kB

Nerro - 14-1-2007 at 10:34

Just out of curiosity, Might it be worthwile to store the Na metal under mineral oil with some kind of oxygen scavenger? Something (better than sodium as far as scavenging oxygen is concerned) might be applied with an adhesive to the glass under Ar atmosphere. This would protect the metal from being oxidized by left over oxygen after sealing.

The_Davster - 14-1-2007 at 10:39

Cerium.

Dark piece cut this last summer, grenish piece(brownish in the pic) old stock from the 80s, it was stored under some funky liquid with a strong smell. I removed it and put it with this piece in mineral oil.

EDIT: I know I have said it before but rare earth ingots + bandsaw...YEEHAW:P

[Edited on 14-1-2007 by The_Davster]

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The_Davster - 14-1-2007 at 10:43

Blueish lanthanum, it is very air reactive compared to the other lanthanides, even under mineral oil(actually I think its ~50/50 mineral oil/hexane) some whitish oxide can be seen falling off.

LANTHANUM.JPG - 23kB

Jdurg - 16-1-2007 at 18:16

My lanthanum has a beautiful dark blue oxide coating to it, and it's stored in a vial filled to the brim with boiled mineral oil and tightly sealed with teflon. The cerium and praseodymium have developed a dark, hunter-green type coating to them while my neodymium has become nearly black. The really weird thing is, the small areas on my neodymium which have oxidized into a powder turned into a light pink powder. It's really neat seeing the contrast between the dark black surface and the occasional pink powder spot.

Now when I first saw the photo of the sodium with the blue coating, I immediately was reminded of the time that I saw sodium metal dissolved in anhydrous ammonia. I now wonder if perhaps the outer electrons in your sealed sodium have become solvated in the ionic lattice of the incredibly thin oxide layer, the glass, and the sodium metal? Could the blue colore be due to free electrons? Hmmmmmmm........

jamit - 29-8-2014 at 11:03

Most have suggested that sodium can be cleaned with xylene or toluene... But can it also be stored in these solvents.... Is it not stored under toluene because of the risk of fire? I stored a small amount of sodium under toluene for about two weeks and the metal is really shiny... Beautiful to see!:(


nezza - 31-8-2014 at 00:06

I have a small cylinder of welders argon which I use to flush containers with mineral oil in for storage of potassium and sodium. Before use I boiled and cooled the mineral oil and left some small pieces of sodium in it to dry it completely. The freshly cut or melted metal is put in and the container flushed with argon. I have potassium that looks pretty clean after months of storage. The lump of lanthanum is about 1cm by 2cm and has been stored under argon. It looks bluer than in the picture.

Potassium.jpg - 53kB Sodium.jpg - 179kB Lump of lanthanum.jpg - 76kB

careysub - 31-8-2014 at 05:09

Quote: Originally posted by nezza  
I have a small cylinder of welders argon which I use to flush containers with mineral oil in for storage of potassium and sodium.


For those of us who want to do a little occasional flushing, and don't want to invest in a 15 lb cylinder, the Bloxygen Finish Preserver looks good ($12.50 shipped):
http://www.hartvilletool.com/product/2323/miscellaneous-fini...

It appears to be pure argon:
http://complyplus.grainger.com/grainger/msds.asp?sheetid=376...

Each can contains 12 g of argon - which is 6.7 liters. It advertises "75 squirts". A "squirt" (90 mL) may be a reasonable amount for nearly full container flush.

You can also fill a bottle of your choosing for your element collection.

[Edited on 31-8-2014 by careysub]

Steve s - 19-5-2020 at 01:47

Anyone looked into or tried storing Na or K under turpentine or brake fluid (mineral or silicon based) ?

I know it's an old thread but it seemed like the best one to tag on the end of..

Refinery - 5-7-2020 at 09:46

I found a bottle of Na stored under paraffin which I thought was lost over 5 years ago and it was still in mint condition. It appears that if you don't let temperature fluctuate, it will hold well.