Sciencemadness Discussion Board - New Sheriff in Town

New Sheriff in Town

Texium - 17-12-2015 at 17:45

Well, as you may have noticed, I have become a moderator. I thought it would be good to start a thread to get everyone on the same page and answer questions any of you might have.

As for my moderation style, I plan to take a page from bfesser's book in that I am a very active member and will likely spend a fair amount of time on minor prunes and mergers, though I will not involve myself in flame wars or take sides on controversial issues from here on out. I will try my best to act in the best interests of the community here, rather than promote my own agenda.

Before I do much of anything though, I'd like to get a feel for how my promotion has been received by all of you, and what it is that I can do to best serve you.

violet sin - 17-12-2015 at 18:16

cool beans man! glad to have ya, and good luck.

User123 - 17-12-2015 at 18:51

Bfesser pissed off just about every older member of this forum with his excessive pestering and getting up people's noses, so for the sake of peace and quiet I hope that you DON'T take ANY leaves out of his book. It's quite concerning that you see the disaster that he was as in some way 'inspirational'.

I can't say that this seems like a good move at all. You're a teenager, aren't you? Perhaps someone with more age and maturity, who doesn't seek to emulate bfesser would be better, or not another disaster in the making.

I don't mean to be negative, but you've given me reason to be.

[Edited on 18-12-2015 by User123]

Amos - 17-12-2015 at 18:54

Quote: Originally posted by User123

Are you an older user with a new account? If so, which one were you?

arkoma - 17-12-2015 at 18:54

Bfesser wasna so bad. Jeez. Leave him ALONE. zts, WELCOME.

User123 - 17-12-2015 at 18:55

Quote: Originally posted by Amos

Quote: Originally posted by User123

Are you an older user with a new account? If so, which one were you?

Yes. And... none of your business.

Tdep - 17-12-2015 at 18:56

Hey, he said he'll take a page out the book, not copy the whole manual.

I think you'll do great, i'm excited, congrats about the promotion. But yeah don't nitpick too much. From what i've read on old threads bfesser did seem to have thing for edits on original posts, changing things like subscripts and all that. Seemed a little too pedantic. You do need to remember to step back a little and realise if the message is getting across and we're all getting along then there's nothing that really needs fixing.

Amos - 17-12-2015 at 19:16

Quote: Originally posted by User123

Quote: Originally posted by Amos

Quote: Originally posted by User123

Are you an older user with a new account? If so, which one were you?

Yes. And... none of your business.

Cool. Carry on, you helpful, upstanding user, you.

Texium - 17-12-2015 at 19:18

Quote: Originally posted by Tdep

Hey, he said he'll take a page out the book, not copy the whole manual.

I think you'll do great, i'm excited, congrats about the promotion. But yeah don't nitpick too much. From what i've read on old threads bfesser did seem to have thing for edits on original posts, changing things like subscripts and all that. Seemed a little too pedantic. You do need to remember to step back a little and realise if the message is getting across and we're all getting along then there's nothing that really needs fixing.

Exactly, I can agree that bfesser had a tendency to cause conflicts and get caught up with unimportant issues. He took a lot of things personally and held fierce grudges. At the same time, he did also keep a lot of threads well organized and neat that otherwise would spiral out of control. See here, for instance: Climate Science for the Amateur. It started off as a legitimate, civil scientific discussion, but inevitably, it started going up in flames. You can see that bfesser did a good job of pruning the nonsense and leaving the science unaltered, however after he left the thread descended into chaos and meaningful discussion was buried under a pile of franklyn links.

VS, arkoma, Tdep, thanks for the support.

User123 - 17-12-2015 at 19:25

So you intend to actively piss off franklyn, whose posts and sceptical attitude many of us like?

Amos - 17-12-2015 at 19:28

Quote: Originally posted by User123

So you intend to actively piss off franklyn, whose posts and sceptical attitude many of us like?

So you plan to actively create strawman arguments and generate problems that weren't there to begin with?

User123 - 17-12-2015 at 19:31

He gave an example of what he views as a 'pile of nonsense'. No straw man involved.

BromicAcid - 17-12-2015 at 19:31

Remember, if a moderator is doing their job right then the target forum users will not notice your hard work and you'll get no thanks, and the worst forum users will think the world is coming to an end.

Good luck.

Volanschemia - 17-12-2015 at 20:45

As a pedantic person myself, I must say I'm very happy to see zts16 take up the mantle. There has already been a sizable amount of improvement here since I logged on this morning!

I'd like to applaud his dedication and courage in taking up such a demanding yet generally thankless job.

violet sin - 17-12-2015 at 23:38

personally, I quite liked bfesser. his desire to work his but off, to clean the cobwebs was admirable. Ive even tried to contact him a few times, to no avail sadly. I felt bad about the way things ended there. sure he got on some peoples nerves, but I'd welcome him again if he returned as a member. the good outweighed the nuisance, to me at least, and he would respond to U2U's if you had a question or concern. big fan of talking before you start gettn a chip on your shoulder 'bout something.

I think you will do a great job in your very own way zts16. you contribute to, as opposed to detract from, the substance here = already a good start

ya seem bright also, don't forget: age smage, I'm 37 going on 19. which isn't to say I'm immature, just the kid in me never died. age doesn't make you responsible, and youth doesn't make you a fool. the man makes himself regardless of number of days crossed off his calendar (to a point of course). I trust that some one set up into a position like this, was put there for a reason. respect is due, if not for the newly anointed, then for the ones higher up that approved it.

I've only been here since 2-9-12, so I am far from a long standing member. but I do check in daily, almost with out fail, and I have really enjoyed being a part of this forum. I don't think Id ever want the job my self, but I *SURELY* respect any member here, that is willing to put in the hours and set up a bull's eye on them self = a potential ass-hat's comment funnel straight to inbox ( hope it never comes to that)

so again I say to you, cool beans man! glad to have ya, and good luck.

-Violet Sin-

aga - 17-12-2015 at 23:57

Congratulations zts !

Pyro - 18-12-2015 at 03:44

Excuse me Mr. Sir,
Are you the cavalry or the Sheriff?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uec0fFOxtcs
(7:55)

Congratulations, I too have seen many improvements since last night.
Only thing I have to suggest is don't be anal.

hissingnoise - 18-12-2015 at 04:16

Best of luck zts, you'll likely need it ─ and that (unspoken?) question about herding cats ("how hard can it be, anyway?") is probably soon to be answered . . .

Big Boss - 18-12-2015 at 07:13

Congratulations zts, you better not go subscript nazi though!

Metacelsus - 18-12-2015 at 07:38

I met bfesser in person once (he lived about 10 miles away from me; I don't know if he still does), and he was a pretty nice guy. I think the problem that he had on Sciencemadness was that he tried to fix absolutely everything, realized it was impossible, and burned out. He made a lot of positive contributions before then, though. One thing that comes to mind is his topical compendium -- maybe you could try maintaining and updating it?

blogfast25 - 18-12-2015 at 07:46

Quote: Originally posted by User123

So you intend to actively piss off franklyn, whose posts and sceptical attitude many of us like?

Many? Tell me that's not true.

The guy's a certified fruitcake who buys into every conspiracy going, has issued death threats, had several of his threads closed when things got too bad and will sooner or later face a suspension.

And you're a fan???

[Edited on 18-12-2015 by blogfast25]

annaandherdad - 18-12-2015 at 08:19

Glad to see you as moderator, zts. Don't worry about any comparisons to bfesser, just do the job. It's a real contribution to the community, very much appreciated in this direction.

mayko - 18-12-2015 at 08:44

w00t! Herding cats indeed, you're braver than I.

aga - 18-12-2015 at 09:36

Experiment:

Flex your new-found Super Powers by randomly making something sticky for a while, then un-sticky it.

The reactions could be rather vigorous, depending on what you chose.

(there are many good reasons why i should never be a mod)

Bert - 18-12-2015 at 10:18

Glad to have some more hands on deck...

Here's your "challenge coin".

I keep the broom and dustpan behind the door to Energetic Materials, and the emergency bottle of brandy is under the sink.

woelen - 18-12-2015 at 11:30

Quote: Originally posted by User123

Bfesser pissed off just about every older member of this forum with his excessive pestering and getting up people's noses, so for the sake of peace and quiet I hope that you DON'T take ANY leaves out of his book. It's quite concerning that you see the disaster that he was as in some way 'inspirational'.

I can't say that this seems like a good move at all. You're a teenager, aren't you? Perhaps someone with more age and maturity, who doesn't seek to emulate bfesser would be better, or not another disaster in the making.

I don't mean to be negative, but you've given me reason to be.

[Edited on 18-12-2015 by User123]

With this attitude you do not even give him a chance!

zts, welcome to the crew!

aga - 18-12-2015 at 11:55

Quote: Originally posted by Bert

the emergency bottle of brandy is under the sink.

Erm, it Was.

Something got spilt whilst visiting the EM topic, so i went looking for the dustpan and brush.

Couldn't find them, so looked other places, including under the sink.

The rest is pistory.

arkoma - 18-12-2015 at 15:14

^^^beat me to the brandy damn it

phlogiston - 18-12-2015 at 16:10

zts16 this thread is an excellent start, thank you very much in advance for your time and effort in keeping this forum the great resource that it is. I really appreciate it.

User123 - 19-12-2015 at 07:42

Quote: Originally posted by woelen

Quote: Originally posted by User123

With this attitude you do not even give him a chance!

zts, welcome to the crew!

Well yeah, I might have been slightly harsh, but my intentions are good.

This is one of the few forums on the entire internet where intelligent discourse is found free from excessive interference from egotistical power-wielding moderators. I would hate to see that change, as it did very much so during bfesser's reign of terror.

Everyone has a different viewpoint, and perhaps you totally disagree with me. You were perhaps involved in promoting bfesser, and maybe you WANT a more heavy handed approach to moderation. All I say is that the current laid back style (the same style I have seen for over a decade on here), where people are free to express themselves, whether they are right or wrong, is what I find desirable about this forum.

Anyway...

[Edited on 19-12-2015 by User123]

Texium - 19-12-2015 at 07:47

Quote: Originally posted by User123

Quote: Originally posted by woelen

Quote: Originally posted by User123

With this attitude you do not even give him a chance!

zts, welcome to the crew!

Well sure, I understand your sentiments completely. I think where we disagree is about whether the sort of threads that franklyn starts can be considered to be intelligent discourse.

Pyro - 19-12-2015 at 07:49

They are generally not. but they are fun to read and it's better to stick to the devil you know.

User123 - 19-12-2015 at 07:54

I find some of his views a bit out there, but there is no physical limit to how many threads there can be. When people are forcibly silenced, or their views are censored from consumption, it breeds bad feeling, and provides a sort of infantile environment.

I have nothing against you, or your promotion -- frankly I have nothing against bfesser, as a person* -- but I'm just in favour of a light touch to moderation: as there has been historically on here.

*I believe he took amphetamine as an ADHD medication, which ENTIRELY explains his over the top editing, and making everything 'just so'!

[Edited on 19-12-2015 by User123]

blogfast25 - 19-12-2015 at 09:17

Quote: Originally posted by User123

I find some of his views a bit out there, but there is no physical limit to how many threads there can be. When people are forcibly silenced, or their views are censored from consumption, it breeds bad feeling, and provides a sort of infantile environment.

I have nothing against you, or your promotion -- frankly I have nothing against bfesser, as a person* -- but I'm just in favour of a light touch to moderation: as there has been historically on here.

*I believe he took amphetamine as an ADHD medication, which ENTIRELY explains his over the top editing, and making everything 'just so'!

[Edited on 19-12-2015 by User123]

bfesser's mistakes were:

1. a tendency to micromanage on his own. Setting decent standards only works if it's accepted by members and mostly self-policed.
2. making some really stupid statements, unbefitting to a moderator.

The 'light touch' you so love is partly responsible for the increasingly poor content of this site: endless duplicates, invasion of the 'kewls', half-truths, lies and other crap rules the roost here. It's also partly why some really good experimenters have left here.

'Letting it all hang out' is a path of least resistance and it leads to the garbage can. You only need to look at Teh Tinkersewers as a whole to understand that.

Well-moderated sites aren't a case of "excessive interference from egotistical power-wielding moderators" either. It's a case of setting good ground rules, rewarding good members and ticking off those who refuse to play by reasonable rules. That way you create good quality content that would be useful to those who find it.

Quote:

... or their views are censored from consumption, it breeds bad feeling, and provides a sort of infantile environment.

This is an infantile environment, because we let the kids run the asylum. If it was made clear political views were not allowed here, crapolas like franklyn and Rosco would take their bile elsewhere (where it belongs) and the rest of us wouldn't have to read their excrement.

Want to see a site that produces excellent content on Chemistry? Here's one:

http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/

Big Boss - 19-12-2015 at 09:33

Quote: Originally posted by User123

This is one of the few forums on the entire internet where intelligent discourse is found

Well, it was until franklyn showed up

aga - 19-12-2015 at 11:04

Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25

Want to see a site that produces excellent content on Chemistry? Here's one:

http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/

What ?

There are other chemistry websites ?

This can't be true.

KesterDraconis - 19-12-2015 at 11:28

Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25

Quote:

... or their views are censored from consumption, it breeds bad feeling, and provides a sort of infantile environment.

Its science"madness", what do you expect of it? This isn't the clean cut environment of a university or school, its like a meeting ground of crazy amateur science lovers from around the world. Naturally, some of us are a bit more nutty than others, and that must be controlled, but at least we all have this same interest. The art and science of amatuer experimentalism.

This forum allows us the freedom to discuss things many would be shocked by or just disapproving. Such as when I asked my chemistry teacher if he thought it would be easier to make silver nitrate than buy it (we were discussing the price and shipping). He told me that nitric acid was dangerous and I probably shouldn't mess with it.

Here, I don't have to worry about someone saying something like that, except in situations when it really is dangerous, and even then its more often than not just a kind word of warning.
_________________________________________________________________________________________

That said, I do appreciate the forum being as well kept as it can be, and generally in order without too much heavy handedness. I already see good signs form you ztz16, so I look forward to your future work.

As a word of advice, remember to be gentle and humble regarding your position. Too often, on other forums, I have seen moderators develop, shall I say "god complexes". (actually, one even told me, "On this forum I am basically god"). These forums fell apart within months (one was extremely long standing till a change in moderation took place).

Thanks for your devotion to the site to take up this task, and I wish you the best in doing so, it can be frustrating and stressful.

[Edited on 19-12-2015 by KesterDraconis]

aga - 19-12-2015 at 12:36

All things in good measure.

Being elevated to Super Mod is a kind of imbalance.

So, with Super Mod Powers zts16 now needs to get drunk and then do some drunkmodding to regain some balance.

Merge the wrong threads, add stuff randomly to people's posts, just change a word or letter here or there, laugh like a madman at how funny it looks and then the next day completely forget what you did, or even that you did it.

Yes, best i never gain (or assume !) super mod powers

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Bert - 19-12-2015 at 12:42

Quote: Originally posted by Big Boss

Quote: Originally posted by User123

This is one of the few forums on the entire internet where intelligent discourse is found

Well, it was until franklyn showed up

He's been here hella longer than you have- Unless that's a sock puppet name you're posting under.

Can we drop the ad hominem now, everyone? At least insofar as franklyn, bfesser, etc. are concerned. Just slang me if you need to vent some spleen.

aga - 19-12-2015 at 12:54

That Bert guy ! Can you believe him ? The Gall !

He's, he's .... aw crap, he's Great.

bfesser also did some very good things.
franklyn confines his rants to Whimsey, which is respectful.
Yttrium2 may one day do a chemical reaction that amazes everyone.
aga might share lizard alien technology.

As with all threads on this board, people can ignore them, so moaning about another user just because their rants are more popular than your own is just whining.

Against a background of 'Nike Shoes' even blogfast25's QM/OC thread got moaned at because Scrolling Down was required to go past it on a list.

(c'mon zts - Detritus your own thread !)

User123 - 19-12-2015 at 13:54

Bert: bfesser took it upon himself to delete vast swathes of posts going back years; to edit other people's work according to his whim (damaging much in the process; including breaking long-standing links to images); and finally deleting huge amounts of material (including the entirety of his topical compendium -- which was later recovered, thanks to someone's personal back-up) before leaving completely.

And you say that no one should attack him for that?! That I'm somehow being unfair to the chap! An uncalled for ad-hominem? Really.

Sorry mate, but you're wrong. He was a complete nuisance from start to finish.

Some of us use this forum as a real-world resource of practical experimental chemistry, and search and reference it in our own work extensively. The damage wrought by bfesser is a matter of historical fact. It is not simply a personal dislike of the fellow that I express, it is a dislike for his presumptiousness that it is his privilege to abuse his position to recast the forum in his own image, irreparably damaging many useful resources for ever more.

It seems clear to me that you are either completely, or in part unaware of this fact. You seem to think that this is nothing more than 'flaming'. It is not. it is a matter of genuine concern that a new moderator expresses his desire to emulate bfesser's practice of editing and 'pruning' what they consider to be 'irrelevent' information from threads -- especially so since bfesser set a precedent of editing HISTORICAL threads according to his whim. It is also concerning that there are calls from younger members to silence these concerned voices; interpreting them simply in a personal way -- an attack on their online friend, holding no merit aside from the fact that we 'need' to be silenced. It is a childish attitude and a telling one: that the dynamics of the forum have shifted strongly to the facile and immature; seeking no debate, only shallow approval for ANY action that they perceive to favour their 'friend'. Calls for open and frank discussion to be closed or sent to detritus are hallmarks of immature minds, unaccustomed to constructive dialogue.

I invite you to peruse some of bfesser's edits of threads going back YEARS before he was made a moderator. The damage that he wrought is REAL.

Perhaps you do not see this forum in the same way as I -- as a resource of practical experimental information -- and instead view it as a social club for chemistry related chatter, as the likes of aga and some of the younger members clearly do. It would certainly explain your incongruity to ANY reaction to giving such power to someone of so little age, knowledge and experience, and especially someone who expresses admiration for the thoughtless 'pruning' done by a former moderator, who was so decisive not simply because of his personality, but because of his actions.

If these genuine concerns are continued to be construed as nothing but personal attacks, trolling, or flaming, then perhaps the dynamic of the forum has already changed irreparably, and the more mature members -- of which there were once a majority -- have simply abandoned it to its fate.

[Edited on 20-12-2015 by User123]

blogfast25 - 19-12-2015 at 14:04

Quote: Originally posted by Bert

Can we drop the ad hominem now, everyone? At least insofar as franklyn, bfesser, etc. are concerned. Just slang me if you need to vent some spleen.

Yeah, let's not insult the chickenhawks like franklyn and Bovine, while they insult an entire religion and more.

So franklyn's part of the furniture, so what?

You want any attacks on these c*nts to stop, you'll have to prize them from my dead cold fingers.

And why would I slang you, ferfucksake?

Entire threads here are nothing but stench-trenches, Bert: it's a bit late in the day to start showing concern, you know?

Now you've appointed a teenager for 'super moderator'. Well, good luck with that too!

[Edited on 19-12-2015 by blogfast25]

Amos - 19-12-2015 at 14:18

zts16, you might have to poetically close your own thread due to flaming. Such is SM these days.

aga - 19-12-2015 at 14:24

Quote: Originally posted by User123

He was a complete nuisance from start to finish.

You must have been here longer than i (~2 years).

Please revert to your original username so noobs like me could know you're a longer-timer.

Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25

Now you've appointed a teenager for 'super moderator'. Well, good luck with that too!

The age of zts16 is irrelevant.

zts16 seems to have some Common Sense which is in scarce supply these days, so will probably work out pretty well as a moderator.

Time will tell.

[Edited on 19-12-2015 by aga]

blogfast25 - 19-12-2015 at 14:27

And here's another thing, Bert, since as you want me to vent spleen.

You seem to have no idea how deep discontent runs here among many.

When bfesser over-stepped the mark several times there was a mutiny in the making via U2U. I was contacted about it and agreed to take part if need be. He resigned before we had to do anything.

But this is the ONLY forum I know where so many are unhappy with the rot that has set in many moons ago, that they're willing to do something like that.

Don't care? Ok, whatever...

aga - 19-12-2015 at 14:30

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What rot ?

Has that co-incidentally started after i arrived ?

[Edited on 19-12-2015 by aga]

[Edited on 19-12-2015 by aga]

User123 - 19-12-2015 at 19:38

What is the point in you, aga?

j_sum1 - 19-12-2015 at 20:04

Well, I wasn't expecting this to get derailed.

Firstly, thanks zts for taking this on. A well-moderated board is a good thing and I appreciate the efforts of all who have contributed to this board's undoubted worth. I am confident you will do a good job.

On Bfesser -- for those of us who arrived after he relinquished his role, I appreciate your not giving details. It's poor form to defame someone in their absence and the discussion adds nothing to the present running of the site. If there is something that you believe zts16 should know then you should U2U him. If there is history that you feel needs discussion, open a thread that I can ignore.

@Blogfast, while I am inclined to agree with some of what you say on the posting styles of some, surely there is a better way of addressing this -- ie, not in the thread that welcomes zts into his new role.
chemistrystackexchange looks to much like yahoo answers for my liking. I doubt it will take the place of this site for me. But thanks for the link anyway.

@user123, interesting that you should hold such strong views but choose a new anonymous persona to present them. I am going to give your rants the weight I believe they deserve: none.

@aga, I appreciate your humour as usual. But I enjoy your chemistry explorations even more. Anything coming from shedworld soon?

Merry Christmas to all. Only five sleeps. (That is, if my kids let me sleep!)

Etaoin Shrdlu - 19-12-2015 at 20:04

Congratulations, zts. Sorry about the mess.

Texium - 19-12-2015 at 20:24

Thanks to all of those who have been supportive.

Despite the suggestions to close this thread, I don't think it's entirely bad to get all of this discussion out in the open. Though if it continues to carry on as it has been for too much longer I will likely lock it down.

deltaH - 19-12-2015 at 22:29

Congrats and good strength for a tough job!

hissingnoise - 20-12-2015 at 02:15

Quote:

Well, it was until franklyn showed up

He's been here hella longer than you have-

And that grants him some kind of tenure ─ special privileges ─ squatters rights ─ what?

Bert - 20-12-2015 at 10:13

No, I posted that as it seems odd a user name with 2 years of history should state that things went to hell when someone else joined many years before he arrived. Did he go back and read the forum in chronological order to determine that, or is he talking out of his ass. Or is he just another member playing at being a fucking troll using a sock puppet name because he doesn't have the balls to say whatever under his primary identity.

Look at the threads I have put in detritus... Am I being particularly lenient towards anyone, outside of whimsy? Just let me know, I don't have time to read EVERY post here. And if you object to something not specifically against site policy in whimsy? DONT LOOK AT IT.

Pretty much, I scan the titles, read those of interest and check on any that quickly pile up a lot of posts on the chance that there is a flame war starting. But there is a nice little button for you to use if you think the moderators have missed something not in compliance or objectionable.

aga - 20-12-2015 at 10:30

Quote: Originally posted by Bert

check on any that quickly pile up a lot of posts on the chance that there is a flame war starting.

I do that too, just on the chance ...

Is there any way to automatically put a little Flame icon against the thread title so we can zoom in on the juicy fun stuff real fast

JJay - 20-12-2015 at 15:03

Congratulations. I am sure you will figure out how to be an effective moderator someday.

aga - 20-12-2015 at 15:14

What does 'Thread Split' mean ?

Did something go somewhere without me seeing it ?

This is a bit like the Matrix.

Edit:

I see now.
Pointless posts got hoiked into another thread to be easily forgotten.

Well zts16, all i can say is that you're doing a great job so far !

Long may you continue the good work.

[Edited on 20-12-2015 by aga]

Zyklon-A - 21-12-2015 at 07:47

Kudos Zach!
Don't strain yourself though

The Volatile Chemist - 30-12-2015 at 17:20

Nice! Deserved post of action, zts16!

Quote:

aga might share lizard alien technology.

He Has!!! (cite:http://www.lisperati.com/lisplogo_fancy_256.png) (cite:http://www.lisperati.com/different.jpg) (I used citations!)
I was seeing what zts had done, and feeling bad, like "What have I done in this forum or in chemistry that's really profitable or unique?" I was truly getting depressed, like "why hasn't anyone given me one of those cool title things that go below your name?"...
And then I thought, "Naaaaaa, who else really does a good job?". It turns out, the only happy chemist likes chemistry for the bangs and stinks and stories, because I'll never make all the cool copper or barium compounds possible (I really have terrible OCD...).

Tdep's got it best.

confused - 31-12-2015 at 03:47

All the best, zts16!

aga - 3-1-2016 at 13:05

Makes no sense in English LG2.

Maybe better Not to clarify, seeing as this a thread devoted to zts16 ingraciament.

Little_Ghost_again - 9-1-2016 at 17:30

Quote: Originally posted by aga

Makes no sense in English LG2.

Maybe better Not to clarify, seeing as this a thread devoted to zts16 ingraciament.

Is that code for arse kissing?