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New (Proposed) Element Names Revealed

careysub - 9-6-2016 at 06:59


Nihonium and symbol Nh, for the element 113,
Moscovium and symbol Mc, for the element 115,
Tennessine and symbol Ts, for the element 117, and
Oganesson and symbol Og, for the element 118.

http://iupac.org/elements.html

There was a thread recently discussing possible new names, and I think someone suggested "Nihonium", but I cannot bring the thread up on Google.

In fact Google is returning really cr@ppy results for Sciencemadness today. I hope this is not a permanent problem.

crystal grower - 9-6-2016 at 07:09

That are great news careysub!
Did u mean this thread?
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=64899

Quote: Originally posted by phlogiston  
'Nihon' is also commonly used in Japan, so maybe Nihonium with Nh for the symbol

By the way, congrats phlogiston ;).

phlogiston - 9-6-2016 at 10:33

Thanks, careysub was probably right when he noted:
Quote: Originally posted by careysub  
My next guess for what the Japanese might propose is Nipponium, but there aren't many good choices for abbreviations - N, Ni, Np, and No are all out, so Nu? Nm? Nn?


Had there not been this a problem with finding a symbol for it, Nipponium would have been very likely.

Yuri Oganessian is very fortunate. A noble prize is nothing compared to having an element named after you, as there are likely only very few elements left to be named in the foreseeable future.

nezza - 9-6-2016 at 23:15

How about unobtainium ?.

j_sum1 - 9-6-2016 at 23:25

Quote: Originally posted by nezza  
How about unobtainium ?.
Fun fact learned today:
Dysprosium means hard to obtain.
http://www.compoundchem.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/The-P...

But I think unobtanium is a bit of a cliche.
I am with Andy Brunning on some of the names decided -- they are a bit uncreative.
Quote:
it is perhaps a shame that there wasn’t a little more creativity in their suggestions. After all, there’s still the possibility of more subtly hinting at the origin of the work; take one of the suggestions for element 117, quercine. This derives from the Latin quercus for the oak genus, and hints at the Oak Ridge National laboratory where some of the work to discover the element was done.

careysub - 10-6-2016 at 07:04

Although I appreciate the decision to add the nation of Japan to the element name list (along with such recent nationalistic/regionalistic names like Americium, Berkelium, Californium, Moscovium, Dubnium and now Tennessine) I am disappointed that they did not honor Japan's great physicist Yukawa. Honoring scientists in naming transuranics is a stronger tradition than honoring places (with the new names that is a 15 to 8 ratio).

I note that they name "Russium" has not been used (and thank god we were spared "Sovietium" or "Leninium").

Eddygp - 10-6-2016 at 07:27

Tennessine(I) hydroxide :(

careysub - 10-6-2016 at 10:48

Ethyl tennessine? Seeing is how it is from the hills of Appalachia.

[Edited on 10-6-2016 by careysub]

j_sum1 - 10-6-2016 at 13:06

We have ruthenium. We don't need russium.

(Although that never stopped the yttrrium/ytterbium/terbium fiasco.)


There was oppertunity to pick something from Japanese mythology too. A shame that was overlooked.

aga - 10-6-2016 at 13:12

Perhaps there is a counter-faction calling them, respectively
NoItsNotium, Whatium, Um

careysub - 10-6-2016 at 13:56

Quote: Originally posted by j_sum1  
We have ruthenium. We don't need russium.

(Although that never stopped the yttrrium/ytterbium/terbium fiasco.)



But we have gallium and francium - same place. This is parallel to ruthenium and russium.
Quote:

There was oppertunity to pick something from Japanese mythology too. A shame that was overlooked.


Kodamium?

[Edited on 10-6-2016 by careysub]

Chem Rage - 10-6-2016 at 16:00

I look forwrd to tennessine sulphate heptahydrate being added to the Sigma Aldrich catalogue in the not too distant future. ;) I wonder how much they'll charge for 500 grams?

myristicinaldehyde - 10-6-2016 at 16:04

Quote: Originally posted by aga  
Perhaps there is a counter-faction calling them, respectively
NoItsNotium, Whatium, Um


Um would be a brilliant name. It could also be the first element that has the same name AND symbol!

careysub - 10-6-2016 at 16:08

Quote: Originally posted by Chem Rage  
I look forwrd to tennessine sulphate heptahydrate being added to the Sigma Aldrich catalogue in the not too distant future. ;) I wonder how much they'll charge for 500 grams?


Apart from the instant exploding due to decay heat thing, is that even a possible compound. Tennesine is a halogen. (That tripped me up in my first attempt at a fake Tennesine compound, I forgot to check what it would be like).

j_sum1 - 10-6-2016 at 18:40

Tenneside sounds lie the demise of raquet sports.

Just a thought.

ave369 - 14-6-2016 at 01:06

Quote: Originally posted by Eddygp  
Tennessine(I) hydroxide :(


Isn't it hypotennessous acid? Tennessine is a halogen. Of course, it's an even weaker halogen than astatine, so this compound might be amphoteric.
Quote: Originally posted by careysub  


Apart from the instant exploding due to decay heat thing, is that even a possible compound.


I think it might be, surprise surprise, more stable than astatine. We currently have no way of getting and investigating the most stable isotopes of 11x elements, since our methods only allow us to create the lighter and less stable ones.

[Edited on 14-6-2016 by ave369]

woelen - 14-6-2016 at 01:46

If tennessine is a halogen, then I expect it to be more metallic than non-metallic. The more you go down the columns of the periodic table, the more metallic the elements are. Tennessine is the 6th element in the halogen column and hence it must be like a metal mostly (maybe as metallic as bismuth or even as metallic as lead).

But all of the above is just theoretic. The half-life of tennessine probably is so short that true chemistry hardly makes sense for this element.

Eddygp - 14-6-2016 at 05:42

Tennessine(I) hydroxide was a reference to TsOH, no longer exclusively tosylic acid :(

chornedsnorkack - 14-6-2016 at 11:37

Pr already is praseodymium and propyl.
Is tennessine more metallic or less metallic than polonium?