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Propositioned by U2U

PirateDocBrown - 11-12-2016 at 00:49

I am a new member, and have been recently propositioned to synthesize a material for another user.

It's not an illegal substance, but it strikes me as rather shady.

Does this happen a lot here?

Is there a reporting mechanism for this behavior?

aga - 11-12-2016 at 00:58

The same thing just arrived in my inbox too.

This is very unusual, but it's a public forum, so anything can happen.

My view is that it's a wind-up : nobody in their right mind would ask an amateur to synthesise a drug.

Sulaiman - 11-12-2016 at 00:58

it just happened to me ... first time.

Bert - 11-12-2016 at 01:30

Yay. A new fucktardery.

I ask that any such request from a person not previously well known to a member/verifiably a "real" person and ESPECIALLY for anything patented, scheduled or in any way even remotely conceivable as inapropriate, a patent violation or otherwise illegal in a member's local be posted to this thread.



Jstuyfzand - 11-12-2016 at 01:42

May I ask what the substance was?

aga - 11-12-2016 at 01:58

Quote: Originally posted by Jstuyfzand  
May I ask what the substance was?
hydroxynorketamine

crystal grower - 11-12-2016 at 02:30

I have just received similiar U2U, it was from user loststar0. I think it's time to ban him.

Cryolite. - 11-12-2016 at 02:50

Aww why didn't I get one of those shady U2Us? I wanted to feel like a cool kid too.... :(

crystal grower - 11-12-2016 at 02:52

It will come one day. Or I can send you one if you want lol :D.

Bert - 11-12-2016 at 03:08

loststar0- His U2U is now turned off.

Please post THE FULL TEXT and headers of any such U2U, I am not able to look at your U2U messages in this system, and you probably do not want me to be able to do so.

crystal grower - 11-12-2016 at 03:21

Ok, I'll post printscreen next time.

Tdep - 11-12-2016 at 03:29

nice

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PirateDocBrown - 11-12-2016 at 04:12


Subject: Re: no subject
From: loststar0
To: PirateDocBrown
Folder: Inbox
Sent: 12/11/16 at 02:37
Quote:
Quote:
Ok, I lied. It would be for me.

Quote:
What use in a lab setting do you propose?
It might not itself be a controlled substance, but producing it for human trials would be in violation of a wide range of human testing regulations.

Indeed, it might easily be construed as practicing medicine without a license.

The synthesis route literature has already been posted, if you wish to try it, proceed from there.

Quote:
So it's come up that hydroxynorketamine is an excellent and safe antidepressant.

It's a metabolite of ketamine.

Can you make me a trial amount, for use in a lab setting? I'm interested, for starters, of probably 50-100 mg.

Then a whole lot more if it helps.

I'm interested in doing it cheaply of course.

Thanks,

Robert Cayne

PirateDocBrown - 11-12-2016 at 04:15

My response:

"You do realize it is not psychoactive, save for its possible use as an anti depressant? It won't get you high.

If you have untreated mental depression, I suggest a commercially available drug, prescribed for you by a real psychiatrist, and not something whipped up for you by a stranger on a lab forum."

crystal grower - 11-12-2016 at 04:56

I don't think responding to this type of u2u's is worth anything. He's just a troll/spammer/idiot/.... With no actual interest in chemistry.

Metacelsus - 11-12-2016 at 07:27

Yep, got the same U2U.

Interestingly, the US Government has put out a contract for the synthesis of hydoxynorketamine analogs:
https://govtribe.com/project/custom-syntheses-of-methylated-...

It's far beyond the reach of any amateur, however.

[Edited on 12-11-2016 by Metacelsus]

aga - 11-12-2016 at 09:02

Damn ! I missed the chance.

Should have said "Sure. $20k. $10k non-refundable deposit then $10k on completion".

I'd not even know where to start, so no chance of completion :)

macckone - 11-12-2016 at 10:16

I got one as well I forwarded it to zts16 for action but if bert is on the case.

Ozone - 11-12-2016 at 13:09

That proposal from the Gov. Might be why Mrmario has been asking about it, too. There appears to have been some reasonable discussion in his thread, so maybe a simple reference to the thread would suffice?

I don't like the idea of capitalizing off the membership, here (unless some compensation or donation to the forum can be arranged), but these things do occasionally lead to stimulating discussion. So, maybe let them (all who come seeking hydroxynorketamine) all work it out together, if they can?

O3

diddi - 11-12-2016 at 13:29

I got one too. passed on to mods.

Bert - 11-12-2016 at 17:02

Hnk55 and loststar0 are banned from posting and U2U.

If any similar activities occur, please report, forward a complete copy or screen shot if it is done via U2U.

diddi - 11-12-2016 at 17:04

just ban them full stop.

Bert - 11-12-2016 at 17:54

How much more effectively banned can they get. Yes, user accounts still exists in those names. But he/she/they can't DO anything under them, except read the forum.

It is possible that this is a person who should REALLY be talking with student health services, rather than trying to arrange for self medication. And who knows. Perhaps after getting back on an even keel? Could even get un banned.

Or it could be one of our more perverse and nihilistic members having fun with a sock puppet account, that last batch of **** was so good they just couldn't resist screwing around.

Or it could be some fuckstick in law enforcement, trolling for a stupid or greedy hobby chemist, trying to groom/manufacture a drug criminal for a bust. USA law enforcement certainly has a loooooooong history of soliciting for activities like this, for everything from recreational drug manufacture to terrorism and murder for hire. It is far safer and more predictable than actually FINDING an existing criminal or terrorist and getting enough on them to get a conviction.

Regardless- They will need to make another account to continue annoying other members, same as if I erased their history.

So, anyone dumb enough to want to become a moderator and take over trying to parse this kind of activity?

Ozone - 11-12-2016 at 20:32

Sadly, Bert, probably this (which is why I thought to isolate them to one group), "law enforcement, trolling for a stupid or greedy hobby chemist, trying to groom/manufacture a drug criminal for a bust. USA law enforcement certainly has a loooooooong history of soliciting for activities like this, for everything from recreational drug manufacture to terrorism and murder for hire."

O3

Bert - 11-12-2016 at 21:03

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

It is stranger than we CAN know.

[Edited on 12-12-2016 by Bert]

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aga - 12-12-2016 at 01:56

Quote: Originally posted by Bert  
... could be some fuckstick in law enforcement ...

Reminds me of 'the Bureau of Sabotage' (Frank Herbert novel).

Basically Government gets really fast and efficient at doing stupid things, so the Official Saboteurs have the job of slowing everything down by unplugging photocopiers, putting salt in the sugar bowl etc.

Bert - 12-12-2016 at 06:42
Quote:

You can say things which cannot be done. This is elementary. The trick is to keep attention focused on what is said and not on what can be done.
–BuSab Manual


Apparently a goodly % of our politicians have read the BuSab manual.

The Volatile Chemist - 12-12-2016 at 13:19

The U2U message you all are talking about I never received, but I did see in my email spam box the same message, sent to ~20 emails (?). Bastard won't give up I see.
Also, as a small business, getting a chem contract from the government would be a great opportunity...

aga - 12-12-2016 at 13:48

Quote: Originally posted by The Volatile Chemist  

Also, as a small business, getting a chem contract from the government would be a great opportunity...

... or trap.

For a small business, Government contracts can be a Blessing and a Curse at the same time.

For example: payment 2 years After you spent all your time and money, only If you can afford to actually claim the money.

Always check the small print before signing anything. Even then, employ a team of lawyers to see how many Other traps in there.

Basic Premise: Big business does not deal nicely, ever.

aga - 12-12-2016 at 14:03

As for the personalites regularly making new accounts and basically spamming this board, i did try to make a 'thing' of it, even so far as doing a lot of statistical programming to detect which usernames were basically the same real person.

In the end, it does not matter at all.

Chances are that they Need this outlet/interaction, so further hunting would be cruel.

Pursuing it would be like carrying on hunting a wounded Deer, wanting to get a head-shot just so a photo could be put on ikilldeer.com

An utterly Pointless excercise once i got my own ego out of the way.

The Repeat character(s) is(are) pretty much Obvious in any case - no need for any 'second sight' of any nature, if the posts are read, and remembered.

arkoma - 12-12-2016 at 15:45

I got email. Quote:

robert cayne <magis213@gmail.com>

Dec 10 (2 days ago)

to chemcamtv, chem_alchemist, alexander.birra, andynguyenandy, me, rocool4, adam.hlavaty
Hi all,


Can you make me some hydroxynorketamine for use in a laboratory setting? I'm interested, for starters, of probably 50-100 mg.

I'm interested in doing it cheaply of course.

Cheapest offer from credible, trustworthy and capable person wins.

Thanks,

Robert Cayne


Told him I am a felon and I stay away from ANYTHING even SLIGHTLY dodgy.

Further fuckwittery

aga - 13-12-2016 at 06:14

A new piece of Kak arrived via U2U

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Subject: An easy DMT synthesis ?
From: underground
To: aga
Folder: Inbox
Sent: 13-12-2016 at 13:13
Message: it looks from your posts that you know a really good chemistry, so i would like to ask you if there is any way to make DMT from tryptophan with household materials, or materials easy do buy.
I found some info but they use toxic chemicals like sodium cyanoborohydride. I just to find a more friendly way and easier to obtain chemicals. As i have seen, they use tryptophan to make tryptamine, then tryptamine to make DMT. I know that it is a drug, but just want to experimental a bit. I am not going to use it.
----------------------------------------------------------

How dumb can people get without mechanical assistance ?

"it looks from your posts that you know a really good chemistry"

Obviously hasn't read any of my posts ...

[Edited on 13-12-2016 by aga]

Jstuyfzand - 13-12-2016 at 06:36

Quote: Originally posted by aga  
A new piece of Kak arrived via U2U

----------------------------------------------------------
Subject: An easy DMT synthesis ?
From: underground
To: aga
Folder: Inbox
Sent: 13-12-2016 at 13:13
Message: it looks from your posts that you know a really good chemistry, so i would like to ask you if there is any way to make DMT from tryptophan with household materials, or materials easy do buy.
I found some info but they use toxic chemicals like sodium cyanoborohydride. I just to find a more friendly way and easier to obtain chemicals. As i have seen, they use tryptophan to make tryptamine, then tryptamine to make DMT. I know that it is a drug, but just want to experimental a bit. I am not going to use it.
----------------------------------------------------------

How dumb can people get without mechanical assistance ?

"it looks from your posts that you know a really good chemistry"

Obviously hasn't read any of my posts ...

[Edited on 13-12-2016 by aga]


"I want to experiment with it a bit. I am not going to use it."

Yeah, sure.

Texium - 13-12-2016 at 07:18

He also complained to me the other day after I Detritused his thread. Must have taken inspiration from the hnk idiots.

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Quote: Originally posted by aga  
As for the personalites regularly making new accounts and basically spamming this board, i did try to make a 'thing' of it, even so far as doing a lot of statistical programming to detect which usernames were basically the same real person.
Psh, not to mention that that bit of programming was a complete failure that tried to tell you that blogfast was the biggest troll in forum history and alienated a number of legitimate new members as well. We are NOT going back to that.

[Edited on 12-13-2016 by zts16]

Tsjerk - 13-12-2016 at 07:27

Edit; nevermind

[Edited on 13-12-2016 by Tsjerk]

aga - 13-12-2016 at 12:13

Quote: Originally posted by zts16  
and alienated a number of legitimate new members as well. We are NOT going back to that.

Certainly never going back to that stage.

Who is Who and Why is basically none of my business, neither is what they are writing on this board.

I wasn't aware of any legitimate new members who were alienated.

Belated appologies to anyone fitting that description who were affected at that time.