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DIY ultrasonic cavitator

roamingnome - 31-3-2007 at 13:17

Admit it, you wouldnt mind having one.... a good one... 500W output....

I wish i grabed the one i saw once at labx...but alas...

Method for the ultrasonic treatment of a dilute alcoholic solution, www.freepatentsonline.com/4599459.html
EXAMPLE 2
Using the apparatus shown in FIG. 1, 200 liters of a fermentation mother liquor of 15% theriac to which yeast fungii was added was placed in the fermenter 10 and fermented for 6 hours. Thereafter, the circulation pump 21 was operated to introduce the mother liquor into the ultrasonic processor 16. By the fermentation, the gas phase in the container 17 was a carbon dioxide atmosphere but in order to ensure safety and prevent oxidation of vaporized alcohol, a small amount of carbon dioxide was added. Initially, the vacuum pump 37 was operated so that the pressure of the vacuum tank 36 was reduced. Simultaneously with the operation of the ultrasonic processor 16, the container 17 was reduced in pressure. Ultrasonic vibrations of 20 KHz with an input power of 500 W (maximum output of about 200 W) were used. Under these conditions, the ultrasonic processor 16 started to be operated and cavitation was thus produced, followed by stationary operation. For initial one hour, 8 liters of 85% ethyl alcohol was obtained and a continuous operation of 10 hours resulted in 40 liters of ethyl alcohol.



Pricing these things out makes :( this called for

As I find relavant parts or plans for parts, ill hope to post them
but if anyone has taken this journey into building a ultrasonic superducer for cheaper then 1000 bucks please share your tips or basic understanding of the theory....thanks

surely someone has a vibrator...

roamingnome - 7-5-2007 at 20:09

after some quick research into the topic, if your not a full blown E.E. in the mood for a relaxing side project then no one is going to build one of these things....

super fast primer: you need three pieces of equipment
1 power supply
2 converter/transducer
3 various horn/probe attachments

the power supply is the cheapest of the bunch

the converter( Piezoelectric stack actuators) piece is like a top secret WE have the manufacturing process and your going to pay $2000 dollars for it type of deal.

the horn could be mimiced with a lathe from titanium, but its probably worth spending $300 on it


so i stepped out and got an classic 70's power supply, its like the tube amps of the guitar world ( at least this is what i tell myself)

after that joy settled, i said lets buy a converter, well its out of date sonny boy its a babe Ruth rookie card 1600 bucks!

so the closest DIY is going to get on this thread is the realization that im just going to mix and match trying to keep all equipment for the 20 kHz range.

so the simple 2 prong connection on the power supply is going to have to be jiffy rigged to a freaking 10 prong VWR probe

im like whats with all these freaking prongs, its + and - people



in conclusion if you reach out to buy one of these gadgets your best bet is to buy complete packages which most are, but if you
what the goods for under say 500 bucks total then i hope its just a simple matter of adapters.
fender gibson just plug it in type of thing

Eclectic - 8-5-2007 at 05:16

Google "langevin bolted ultrasonic"

BeanyBoy - 8-5-2007 at 06:59

Quote:
Originally posted by Eclectic
Google "langevin bolted ultrasonic"

Ooo, at:

http://ctdco.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008800568969...

Look, "Request Sample".... time to break out the linen stationery...

;)

jpsmith123 - 8-5-2007 at 15:57

Here's one on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/BOLT-CLAMPED-LANGEVIN-ULTRASONIC-TRANSDU...

Twospoons - 8-5-2007 at 19:09

Last time I played with something along these lines I used the transducer from a boat sonar. Running at 200kHz I produced lovely cavitation in a small yoghurt pot glued to the top. It was 15 years ago, so I can't remember many details - except the power stage was a class B amp driving a ferrite transformer, tuned into resonance with the piezo transducer. Crude, but it worked. Buggered if I can remember the power level, but it wasn't huge.

maybe these guys could supply what you want:
http://www.transducer-sensor.com/ultrasonic_transducers.html...


[Edited on 9-5-2007 by Twospoons]

Eclectic - 9-5-2007 at 10:35

The guys selling the Lagevin units on Ebay have one for 20khz, 1000 W, but the company seems to be run by Sargent Schultz.

I Know Nothing...

roamingnome - 9-5-2007 at 13:55

thats simply too funny
i think weve all dealt with that type

so asking about the proper driving voltage is out of the question?
can you simply screw a rod or horn into the bolt instead?

whats worse however is the over clerical secretary that fundementaly assumes "new customer" means you are osama binladen

Eclectic - 9-5-2007 at 14:02

I can't even get info on which of the bare ring ceramics can be used in bolted transducers and what the power ratings are. :mad:

There is some good info to be had Googleing "langevin bolted ultrasonic design".

Shingoshi - 20-7-2009 at 21:25

Would it be considered hijacking to reopen this old thread, for a specific task?

I want to know how to build an ultrasonic transducer strong enough to cause vigorous boiling of a liquid-coolant (for my computer project), to provide the evaporation and subsequent drop in temperature that I desire. I think that about sums up my purpose well enough. If anyone reads this and wants to participate, I'd appreciate it.

Shingoshi

12AX7 - 20-7-2009 at 22:15

They call those, fans???

Ultrasonics don't evaporate water, they aerosolize it. I suppose the liquid temperature may actually change, depending on such factors as acoustic dissipation, reduced air temperature (since humidity is rising), surface tension energy and possibly more. And if you're producing enough power to boil water, wouldn't that be a direct result of the power you're adding?

What do you need water cooling on a computer for, really? Get a better processor, it's cheaper than torturing some old beast. Or wait six months for latest technology that offers more than the 15% improvement overclocking produces. If you insist, use vacuum to lower the boiling point, or better yet, use a proper refrigerant like freon.

Tim

A foundation for further discussion...

Shingoshi - 20-7-2009 at 22:46

I found this on another site after doing a search for "ultrasonic refrigeration". This is the direction I'm pursuing here.
Quote:
An Oscillator (sometimes referred to as "piezo-electric transducer) emersed in water, converts a high frequency electronic signal into a high frequency mechanical oscillation. The water tries to follow the high frequency mechancial oscillation but cannot due to its mass inertia, and a momentary vacuum and strong compression are produced in the water.


In the negative oscillation of the transducer, the momentary vacuum causes the water to cavitate into vapor at low temperature and pressure. In the positive oscillation of the transducer, high pressure compression waves are produced and by focusing the pressure waves on the surface of the water, very small particles of water (average one micron in diameter) generate a mist which is quickly absorbed into the air.


Because the water vapor is produced by the ultrasonic wave and does not go through a phase change into steam or high temperature water vapor, the Fresh Point Ultrasonic humidifiers operate on less that 7% of the demand of an electric steam canister humidifier of similar capacity and rating. The low electrical demand and minimal maintenance reduces the cost of humidifying to levels far below those of conventional methods of generating moisture.


Anyone having anything of real value to add to this, please post...

A list of hints (for Google):
1.) "thermoacoustics"
http://www.lanl.gov/projects/thermoacoustics/ehistory.pdf
Quote:
Applying Rott’s mathematics to a situation where the temperature gradient along the
channel was too weak to satisfy Rayleigh’s criterion, Hofler9 invented a standing-wave ther-
moacoustic refrigerator, and demonstrated10 again that Rott’s approach to acoustics in small
channels was quantitatively accurate. In this type of refrigerator, the coupled oscillations
of gas motion, temperature, and heat transfer in the sound wave are phased in time so that
heat is absorbed from a load at low temperature and waste heat is rejected to a sink at
higher temperature. The offspring of Hofler’s refrigerator are still under study today.

2.) Holfer refrigerator
http://www.ehponline.org/docs/1994/102-9/innovations.html
Quote:
Someday, household refrigerators and air conditioners might be powered by loudspeakers blasting sound thousands of times more intense than the Rolling Stones in concert.

"Thermoacoustic" refrigerators now under development use sound waves strong enough to make your hair catch fire, inventor Steven L. Garrett notes. But don't worry--the noise is safely contained in a pressurized tube. If the tube shattered, the noise would instantly dissipate to harmless levels. Because it conducts heat, such intense acoustic power is a clean, dependable replacement for cooling systems that use ozone-destroying chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), which will be banned after 31 December 1995, says Garrett, a physics professor at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California.

Already, Garrett and NPS Research Assistant Professor Tom Hofler have developed a thermoacoustic refrigerator offering 200 watts of cooling power--a level comparable to existing CFC-based refrigerators. Their "rock 'n' roll refrigerator" is cold enough to freeze ice or "simply keep beer chilled."

Hofler is also developing supercold "cryocoolers" capable of temperatures as low as -135°F (180°K). He hopes to achieve -243°F (120°K) because such cryogenic temperatures would keep electronic components cool in space or speed the function of new microprocessors.

Skeptics say current thermoacoustic designs are inefficient compared to conventional refrigeration systems. But Garrett continues to improve his invention, which requires only one moving part in the form of a loudspeaker and therefore may be more dependable than CFC-type refrigerators. It's also more environmentally friendly, promising a route to "leap-frog over this whole chemical dependency problem," says Garrett, a 1993 winner of the Rolex Foundation awards for enterprise in the applied sciences and invention, exploration, and discovery in the environment.


Thank you!
Shingoshi


[Edited on 2009.7.21 by Shingoshi]

not_important - 21-7-2009 at 00:11

Humidifiers are not refrigerators, they simply get more water vapour into the air. They're more efficient than steamer type humidifiers because those waste the energy involved in heating and boiling the water, going some 70 to 80 degrees hotter than the air the H2O is delivered to.

Thermoacoustic refrigerators do work, but as stated in your quotes are much less efficient the more conventional systems. They also operate in the audio range, looking at their principles of operation will show you why. They are useful where their minimal number of moving parts gives them an advantage that outweighs their low efficiency and generally large size. Most depend on very effective insulation as they can't pump much heat while being reasonably sized. They can be a bugger to get to operate correctly, and the noise of poorly designed units can push you over the edge.


These folks are working on combining the reverse operation, heat into acoustic energy, with generating electricity and/or cooling using the thermoacoustic effect - run your icebox on wood or cowpies.

http://www.score.uk.com/research/default.aspx



12AX7 - 21-7-2009 at 03:20

Quote: Originally posted by not_important  
run your icebox on wood or cowpies.


Hmm, we already have that, the Einstein-Szilard refrigerator.

Tim

not_important - 21-7-2009 at 07:55

It's a bit easier to build than the Einstein-Szilard, being basically sheet metal and air.


Correct me if I'm wrong...

Shingoshi - 21-7-2009 at 12:59

Quote: Originally posted by not_important  
Humidifiers are not refrigerators, they simply get more water vapour into the air. They're more efficient than steamer type humidifiers because those waste the energy involved in heating and boiling the water, going some 70 to 80 degrees hotter than the air the H2O is delivered to.

Thermoacoustic refrigerators do work, but as stated in your quotes are much less efficient the more conventional systems. They also operate in the audio range, looking at their principles of operation will show you why. They are useful where their minimal number of moving parts gives them an advantage that outweighs their low efficiency and generally large size. Most depend on very effective insulation as they can't pump much heat while being reasonably sized. They can be a bugger to get to operate correctly, and the noise of poorly designed units can push you over the edge.


These folks are working on combining the reverse operation, heat into acoustic energy, with generating electricity and/or cooling using the thermoacoustic effect - run your icebox on wood or cowpies.

http://www.score.uk.com/research/default.aspx




But doesn't the temperature of any fluid drop when actively made to evaporate? The one thing I keep reading about humidifiers, is the COOL moist air that is generated. And I believe the same thing is happening to the fluid. I'm simply wanting to make a massive swamp cooler, in a small package.

And it is specifically the absence of moving parts that I'm after here.

Shingoshi

Mr. Wizard - 21-7-2009 at 13:23

Don't most computer power supplies have a switching circuit that is in the tens to hundreds of KHz and able to deliver hundreds of watts? If you were to tap into that output transformer before it was rectified you could use it to drive a transducer, IF you could match up the impedance with a piezoelectric or a nickel magnetostrictive transducer you would have it.

Tricking the switching supply into supplying without it's intended load is easy to do when you just want DC. I think you just put a small light bulb across the 5 volt output lines to provide a little load. I've used a 12 volt panel bulb across the 5 Volt lines to power a 12 volt radio.

Even the oldest and junkiest oscilloscope should work well in that range to determine the frequency.

Simply, Thank you!

Shingoshi - 21-7-2009 at 13:32

Quote: Originally posted by Mr. Wizard  
Don't most computer power supplies have a switching circuit that is in the tens to hundreds of KHz and able to deliver hundreds of watts? If you were to tap into that output transformer before it was rectified you could use it to drive a transducer, IF you could match up the impedance with a piezoelectric or a nickel magnetostrictive transducer you would have it.

Tricking the switching supply into supplying without it's intended load is easy to do when you just want DC. I think you just put a small light bulb across the 5 volt output lines to provide a little load. I've used a 12 volt panel bulb across the 5 Volt lines to power a 12 volt radio.

Even the oldest and junkiest oscilloscope should work well in that range to determine the frequency.

This was quite helpful and informative. It's just the kind of thing that I need here.

The questions I have that really need to be answered;
1.) Are thermoacoustic refrigerators more efficient than a peltier?
2.) If so, are they significantly more efficient than the peltier?

Shingoshi

[Edited on 2009.7.21 by Shingoshi]

Would either of these work as well...

Shingoshi - 21-7-2009 at 14:49

Quote: Originally posted by Mr. Wizard  
Don't most computer power supplies have a switching circuit that is in the tens to hundreds of KHz and able to deliver hundreds of watts? If you were to tap into that output transformer before it was rectified you could use it to drive a transducer, IF you could match up the impedance with a piezoelectric or a nickel magnetostrictive transducer you would have it.

Tricking the switching supply into supplying without it's intended load is easy to do when you just want DC. I think you just put a small light bulb across the 5 volt output lines to provide a little load. I've used a 12 volt panel bulb across the 5 Volt lines to power a 12 volt radio.

Even the oldest and junkiest oscilloscope should work well in that range to determine the frequency.


I was wondering if a car amplifier would work as well? But if there are special requirements here, would the power circuitry of an old monitor have what's needed?

Shingoshi

Mr. Wizard - 21-7-2009 at 15:31

I don't think car amplifiers would have the power at the >20KHz frequency you would need. I have been wrong before though.

When you talk about the 'power circuitry of an old monitor', are you referring to the high voltage flyback output? I don't think it has the power you need. It also is above the audio bands (>20KHz), but designed to deliver high voltage at low power. The power supply of an old PC is much more robust and capable of more output.

12AX7 - 21-7-2009 at 15:46

Quote: Originally posted by Shingoshi  
But doesn't the temperature of any fluid drop when actively made to evaporate?


The droplets liberated from the liquid, and in turn the air above the liquid, will be at a lower temperature, but the liquid itself is not evaporating, it's being broken into droplets. Maybe there is a small effect from surface tension, but that would be the wrong direction (since you're putting work into breaking surface tension, forming more surface area in the droplets). If you add a filter to collect the droplets and return them to the bath, you will have a microscopic swamp cooler which will have the desired effect.

Really, what's wrong with a fan? One moving part. Works as good as anything.

Tim

I wish I hadn't gotten rid of them...

Shingoshi - 21-7-2009 at 15:48

Quote: Originally posted by Mr. Wizard  
I don't think car amplifiers would have the power at the >20KHz frequency you would need. I have been wrong before though.

When you talk about the 'power circuitry of an old monitor', are you referring to the high voltage flyback output? I don't think it has the power you need. It also is above the audio bands (>20KHz), but designed to deliver high voltage at low power. The power supply of an old PC is much more robust and capable of more output.


Thanks to certain requirements I won't describe here, I had to get rid of many of the components I had available. Among them were a large number of power supplies. Although, I think I still have a few left.

Where can I get specific instructions on how to go about this modification? I'm not exactly studied in electronics.

Shingoshi

chemrox - 21-7-2009 at 16:14

Is there a short cut to the specs for a unit one could make to drive reactions in say a 1L to 4L flask? I hate re-inventing the proverbial wheel.

stygian - 21-7-2009 at 16:58

I recently caught the notion that one could potentially use antenna ferrites as a magnetostrictive element submersed in a reaction mixture in a vessel surrounded by a coil. No idea how magnetostrictive said common ferrites are, and corrosion resistance would surely be an issure, but it was an idea.

Explain this please...

Shingoshi - 21-7-2009 at 19:33

Quote: Originally posted by 12AX7  
Quote: Originally posted by Shingoshi  
But doesn't the temperature of any fluid drop when actively made to evaporate?


The droplets liberated from the liquid, and in turn the air above the liquid, will be at a lower temperature, but the liquid itself is not evaporating, it's being broken into droplets. Maybe there is a small effect from surface tension, but that would be the wrong direction (since you're putting work into breaking surface tension, forming more surface area in the droplets). If you add a filter to collect the droplets and return them to the bath, you will have a microscopic swamp cooler which will have the desired effect.

Really, what's wrong with a fan? One moving part. Works as good as anything.

Tim


I believe ultrasonic transducers cause the entire volume of a liquid to boil. That being the case, this would apply:
Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporization
Boiling is a phase transition from the liquid phase to gas phase that occurs at or above the temperature the boiling temperature. Note boiling occurs below the surface.

That being the case, there is no relevance of surface-tension here at all. I'm attempting to make the entire volume to boil.

Shingoshi

not_important - 21-7-2009 at 22:41

High power ultrasonic generators (or even audio frequency) cause cavitation, this is not boiling in the same sense as happens when you heat water. The pressure wave from the sound source drops the pressure in a region so microscopic bubbles expand, or with high enough intensities pulls the liquid apart forming a pocket of vacuum. In either case the liquid does evaporate into the low pressure bubble, which removes some energy from the adjacent fluid. But the pressure wave soon reverses, collapsing the bubbles with the generation of heat. The bulk liquid does not cool down, indeed it heats up from the energy being pushed into it.

Humidifies don't 'boil' the bulk water through cavitation, they atomise the surface of it. This can be done by flowing a film of water across a vibrating sheet which disperses the water as very fine droplets. Alternatively they can use enough energy to do the same thing at the surface of bulk water. If you wish you can think of it as cavitation happening at the water's surface, but it's not boiling into vapour but being broken into droplets.

These droplets evaporate as they diffuse into the surrounding atmosphere, which does generate cooling. However this cooling occurs where the mist of droplets evaporates, not in the bulk liquid.

Again, the energy for these effects comes from the sonic energy pushed into the liquid, not from the liquid's basic thermal energy. The fluid heats up from the sound energy being shoved into it,

The high voltage in CRT displays generally comes from the flyback circuit, meaning it's tied to the horizontal deflection. The HV section is tuned to work optimally at that frequency, and generally is designed to produce only a very low current; as a safety feature many designs will shut down if too much current is drawn.

The excitation frequency and output impedance of the voltage source must be matched to the transducer used. Wrong frequency means little or no output, and possible damage to the signal source. Wrong impedance means the same thing, if the transducer needs high voltage then too low drive voltage means weak output; too high drive voltage means excessive current draw with damage to driver and/or transducer a distinct possibility.

http://www.kronjaeger.com/hv/hv/src/fly/index.html

You've not discussed how you hope to reject the heat you extract. You talk about hundreds of watts of heat, a low IC case temperature - say 50 C, and eexpect to reject this into the 20 C atmosphere.



[Edited on 22-7-2009 by not_important]

The heat is pumped outside...

Shingoshi - 21-7-2009 at 23:04

Quote: Originally posted by not_important  
High power ultrasonic generators (or even audio frequency) cause cavitation, this is not boiling in the same sense as happens when you heat water. The pressure wave from the sound source drops the pressure in a region so microscopic bubbles expand, or with high enough intensities pulls the liquid apart forming a pocket of vacuum. In either case the liquid does evaporate into the low pressure bubble, which removes some energy from the adjacent fluid. But the pressure wave soon reverses, collapsing the bubbles with the generation of heat. The bulk liquid does not cool down, indeed it heats up from the energy being pushed into it.

Humidifies don't 'boil' the bulk water through cavitation, they atomise the surface of it. This can be done by flowing a film of water across a vibrating sheet which disperses the water as very fine droplets. Alternatively they can use enough energy to do the same thing at the surface of bulk water. If you wish you can think of it as cavitation happening at the water's surface, but it's not boiling into vapour but being broken into droplets.

These droplets evaporate as they diffuse into the surrounding atmosphere, which does generate cooling. However this cooling occurs where the mist of droplets evaporates, not in the bulk liquid.

Again, the energy for these effects comes from the sonic energy pushed into the liquid, not from the liquid's basic thermal energy. The fluid heats up from the sound energy being shoved into it,

The high voltage in CRT displays generally comes from the flyback circuit, meaning it's tied to the horizontal deflection. The HV section is tuned to work optimally at that frequency, and generally is designed to produce only a very low current; as a safety feature many designs will shut down if too much current is drawn.

The excitation frequency and output impedance of the voltage source must be matched to the transducer used. Wrong frequency means little or no output, and possible damage to the signal source. Wrong impedance means the same thing, if the transducer needs high voltage then too low drive voltage means weak output; too high drive voltage means excessive current draw with damage to driver and/or transducer a distinct possibility.

http://www.kronjaeger.com/hv/hv/src/fly/index.html

You've not discussed how you hope to reject the heat you extract. You talk about hundreds of watts of heat, a low IC case temperature - say 50 C, and eexpect to reject this into the 20 C atmosphere.



[Edited on 22-7-2009 by not_important]


This post of yours was very informative. However I should also inform you there will be either an external condenser or radiator to dispense with the heat of the system. The heat will not be kept inside the case. This will be the only "breach" in the environment, with bulkhead fittings providing for the transfer of coolant in and out of the case.

Now, I'll read the rest of your post.

Shingoshi

I admit, I don't know a thing about this!!

Shingoshi - 21-7-2009 at 23:29

Quote: Originally posted by stygian  
I recently caught the notion that one could potentially use antenna ferrites as a magnetostrictive element submersed in a reaction mixture in a vessel surrounded by a coil. No idea how magnetostrictive said common ferrites are, and corrosion resistance would surely be an issure, but it was an idea.


So I'm probably asking a stupid question. But since you mentioned the use of antennas, I was wondering if an antenna could be placed directly in the liquid? There are antennas specifically designed for marine use, which I believe would deal with the issue of corrosion. Could a UHF antenna be used as the radiator in this case? I could easily get one and mount it in the bottom of my coolant chamber. What would it take for an antenna to drop it's energy into the liquid?

Shingoshi

not_important - 22-7-2009 at 04:57

You are assuming that those antennas show magnetostrictive properties, to start with. If it does, then it needs to be acoustical impedance matched to the liquid to effectively couple the energy. That's why many ultrasound probes have a tapered horn, to better match the transducer to the liquid.

Also note that ultrasound is often used for cleaning, and stripping coatings off of objects. I think that you will find that those antennas have plastic coatings...

As for cooling, from http://home.att.net/~Berliner-Ultrasonics/uson-4a.html#cooli...
Quote:
one problem that also plagues researchers is that the energy imparted to liquid samples rapidly translates into heat, raising the temperature of the sample and degrading the components. The most obvious solution (another pun?) is to reduce the intensity of sonication, often quite unacceptable; another is to place the sample vessel (test tube, beaker, etc.) in a cooling bath.


Other useful links there include http://home.att.net/~Berliner-Ultrasonics/uson-4a.html#usfou... and ULTRASONIC CAVITATION http://home.att.net/~Berliner-Ultrasonics/uson-0.html#AL1V


I think that you will find the best way to do evaporative cooling is to pick the fluid and operating pressure to give boiling at the desired temperature, and to provide a surface that encourages boiling as small bubbles as you want to avoid formation of a film of gas between the liquid and the surface to e cooled.





I think I'm going to abandon this idea...

Shingoshi - 22-7-2009 at 08:46

Quote: Originally posted by not_important  
You are assuming that those antennas show magnetostrictive properties, to start with. If it does, then it needs to be acoustical impedance matched to the liquid to effectively couple the energy. That's why many ultrasound probes have a tapered horn, to better match the transducer to the liquid.

Also note that ultrasound is often used for cleaning, and stripping coatings off of objects. I think that you will find that those antennas have plastic coatings...

As for cooling, from http://home.att.net/~Berliner-Ultrasonics/uson-4a.html#cooli...
Quote:
one problem that also plagues researchers is that the energy imparted to liquid samples rapidly translates into heat, raising the temperature of the sample and degrading the components. The most obvious solution (another pun?) is to reduce the intensity of sonication, often quite unacceptable; another is to place the sample vessel (test tube, beaker, etc.) in a cooling bath.


Other useful links there include http://home.att.net/~Berliner-Ultrasonics/uson-4a.html#usfou... and ULTRASONIC CAVITATION http://home.att.net/~Berliner-Ultrasonics/uson-0.html#AL1V

I think that you will find the best way to do evaporative cooling is to pick the fluid and operating pressure to give boiling at the desired temperature, and to provide a surface that encourages boiling as small bubbles as you want to avoid formation of a film of gas between the liquid and the surface to e cooled.


I'm looking into something else to do the job. Something which I know will work, but only needs some modification for my purposes.

Shingoshi

12AX7 - 22-7-2009 at 20:23

Ferrites are only very slightly magnetostrictive (ppm level?). Enough that they whine when driven with an audio frequency (like 10kHz), but in general, not enough to do anything with. And instead of lots of current to swing the voltage, you need lots of voltage to swing the current -- efficiency is still low. Piezoelectrics probably have the best electrical efficiency, after proper motors (i.e., a voice coil).

I did once crack a high-mu ferrite toroid when it reached saturation. Broke into very regular bits, perpendicular breaks, regularly spaced. Never seen it happen again, could've been internal stresses that helped.

Tim