Sciencemadness Discussion Board - The terrorists have won

The terrorists have won

franklyn - 13-8-2007 at 08:52

This excerpt from the current issue of New Scientist magazine illustrates that
we have in fact transcended into psychosis.
http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/dn12458

I'm perfectly aware that telltale behaviors characterize individuals harboring
contraband and automated scanning may well improve detection. Determining
a persons conduct in the future from observation is akin to the results you
might get from a polygraph exam to determine the same thing.

Envision the dialog of the individual reviewing the " candidates " identified by
this automated proceedure - Hmm , looks like a duck and that walk looks awfully
duckish to me.
Reminds me of the reason given by a " meth head " who shot someone for no
apparent reason in a bar. " He kept looking at me funny "

In the imperial japanese empire prior to it's capitulation at the end of the second
world war , there existed a law enforcement organisation which was referred to
as the thought police. They would arrest people on the pretext that they were
thinking bad thoughts. Their function was primarily political repression and censure
rather than any legitimate law enforcement function.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve
neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

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YT2095 - 13-8-2007 at 09:47

the article is News yes, but as for "The terrorists have won" I thought that was a Given anyway.

sorry if I sound jaded and bitter, it`s because I AM!

Phosphor-ing - 13-8-2007 at 10:02

You have good reason to be. The citizen police decided your friend must have been a bombmaker :mad:

Fortune Teller

MadHatter - 13-8-2007 at 12:01

There's one who lives across the street from me. Maybe the government should hire her
for terrorist detection ! Taken on its face, she's about as reliable as Uncle Sam. At least
she'll tell me that I'll live to 135, Elvis is still alive, politicians can be trusted and I'll have a
good laugh ! As for government workers, I can rely on them to be wrong 99% of the time.

tumadre - 13-8-2007 at 14:18

This shit fucking pisses me off enough to do something sinister about it.

Is that a radical thought or is that now criminal?

The_Davster - 13-8-2007 at 16:04

Thoughtcrime doubleplus ungood?

Eclectic - 13-8-2007 at 19:38

Not even a "Minority Report" :mad:

Sergei_Eisenstein - 14-8-2007 at 11:20

Question: will people allow this to happen or will they - again - conform?

Projects like this are very dangerous, not just because they harass your person today, but because the interpretation of social definitions can suddenly change. Most people would agree that special care should be taken for the mentally ill amongst us; but realize that "mentally ill" means different things to different people. The Russian CP sent many mentally ill patients to Siberia. The "terrorists" of today may not be the same as those of tomorrow.

YT2095 - 15-8-2007 at 03:21

this is how you make frog soup!

donlaszlow - 4-8-2009 at 10:14

Hysteria is comes from fear,because some people don't know enough.... but stupidity should not be a motive to take away freedom

A clear and present danger

franklyn - 11-1-2010 at 14:47

http://www.ajc.com/news/soldier-jailed-for-angry-272371.html

Here's a brain burning Hannibal Lector luncheon for you
How many sylables does it take to be arrested as a terrorist ?
Doesn't ganzta rap also constitute a credible threat ?

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MagicJigPipe - 31-1-2010 at 22:58

The link to the article in the first post no longer works. Any chance you could find the article?

franklyn - 1-2-2010 at 19:53

Quote: Originally posted by MagicJigPipe

The link to the article in the first post no longer works. Any chance you could find the article?

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12458-can-a-government...

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JohnWW - 1-2-2010 at 20:42

With regard to:

Quote: Originally posted by franklyn

(cut)
In the imperial Japanese empire prior to it's capitulation at the end of the second world war , there existed a law enforcement organisation which was referred to as the thought police. They would arrest people on the pretext that they were thinking bad thoughts. Their function was primarily political repression and censure rather than any legitimate law enforcement function.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

and http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12458-can-a-government... :
I thought that it was George Orwell who invented the "Thought Police", in his "1984", published in 1948. They were intended to be an allusion to $ecret police forces, particularly the CIA, N$A, and the British MI5 and MI6 and GCHQ (copied in Au$tralia, New Zealand, Canada, and elsewhere), which by 1984 he predicted would have developed, at taxpayers' expen$e, the means of reading people's thoughts, in order to weed out dissidents and ensure the compliance of the people with Fa$cist dogma in the future police state. However, if as you say, the Japanese invented them during the wartime Fascist régime there, prior to 1945, it could be that Orwell borrowed the idea from the Japanese.

[Edited on 2-2-10 by JohnWW]

hissingnoise - 2-2-2010 at 06:16

I could be wrong but I thought that the idea of 'Thought Police' originated with the the 'fine men' of the Inquisition?
Early Catholicism, eh?

dann2 - 2-2-2010 at 12:45

Listen Chaps,

The 'Thought Police' originated in yon garden (can't remember the name) when that pair were argueing over the apple tree.

Dann2

franklyn - 2-2-2010 at 13:21

@ JohnWW

The Japanese Special Higher Police ( Tokko ) ,
or Japanese Thought Police/Secret Police,
also known as the Kempai Tai.

Tortured captured allied soldiers as well as
civilians in occupied countries. Many of the
officer staff were convicted for commission
of attrocities by war crime tribunals and
later executed.

Jurisprudence

A classic "James Cagney" movie " Blood on the Sun " was
a fictionalized account about this.
http://www.tcm.com/thismonth/article.jsp?cid=88572&mainA...

World War II US War Department indoctrination film
Part4 Know Your Enemy , ( see the second half of this )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8ySUYLu2zA

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@ hissingnoise

Practice established during the Pax Romana well before Christ.

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[Edited on 3-2-2010 by franklyn]

un0me2 - 3-2-2010 at 04:30

Kind of violates the principles of law expounded by what was known then, and is still commonly regarded, as the greatest Bench of Common Law Jurists in history. It was stated in The Australian Communist Party & Ors v The Cth & Ors (1951) 83 CLR 1, 259 (Fullagar J), that:

It may be thought that herein lies an exception to an elementary rule of constitutional law which has been expressed metaphorically by saying that a stream cannot rise higher than its source. It was stated in Shrimpton v. The Commonwealth (1945) 69 CLR, per Dixon J, at pp 629, 630 in these terms:- "Finality, in the sense of complete freedom from legal control, is a quality which cannot be given under our Constitution to a discretion, if . . . it is capable of being exercised for purposes, or given an operation, which would or might go outside the power from which the law or regulation conferring the discretion derives its force." Cf. Dawson v. The Commonwealth (1946) 73 CLR, per Dixon J, at pp 181, 182 . The "discretion" may, of course, be the discretion of the legislature itself, exercised by the very fact of the enactment of a law. Or it may be the discretion of the Governor-General or a Minister, intended to be legally effective by the operation of an enacted law upon it. The validity of a law or of an administrative act done under a law cannot be made to depend on the opinion of the law-maker, or the person who is to do the act, that the law or the consequence of the act is within the constitutional power upon which the law in question itself depends for its validity. A power to make laws with respect to lighthouses does not authorize the making of a law with respect to anything which is, in the opinion of the law-maker, a lighthouse. A power to make a proclamation carrying legal consequences with respect to a lighthouse is one thing: a power to make a similar proclamation with respect to anything which in the opinion of the Governor-General is a lighthouse is another thing. Whether the rule exemplified by Lloyd v. Wallach (1915) 20 CLR 299 constitutes a real or only an apparent exception to the general rule is a matter which need not be considered here. It is enough to say that, on the one hand, it is established beyond all doubt, while, on the other hand, it has never yet been invoked except in connection with that secondary aspect of the defence power which has so far been regarded as depending upon a basic fact of emergency and ceasing when conditions created by the emergency have passed (R. v. Foster; Ex parte Rural Bank of New South Wales; Wagner v. Gall; Collins v. Hunter (1949) 79 CLR 43 ).

As the current laws are based, as the Communist Party Dissolution Act 1950 (Cth), which was deemed invalid, on the capacity for domestic terrorists to act contrary to the good of the Commonwealth of Australia, which was at war (well, involved in a UN led police-action - sound familiar?) at that time with Communism itself, (not just in terms of what was happening in Berlin/Korea, but apparently with the whole conceptual underpinning of Marxist philosophy) every bit as much as we are currently at war with something equally ephemeral (jihadist muslim extremism), I strongly doubt such laws would stand up to serious challenge. As to the position under American Jurisprudence, by a similarly esteemed Jurist, in United States v. Rabinowitz, 339 U.S. 56 (1950), 70 (Frankenfurter J - Dissenting Opinion):

It is a fair summary of history to say that the safeguards of liberty have frequently been forged in controversies involving not very nice people. And so, while we are concerned here with a shabby defrauder, we must deal with his case in the context of what are really the great themes expressed by the Fourth Amendment.

A disregard of the historic materials underlying the Amendment does not answer them. 1. It is true also of journeys in the law that the place you reach depends on the direction you are taking. And so, where one comes out on a case depends on where one goes in. It makes all the difference in the world whether one approaches the Fourth Amendment as the Court approached it in Boyd v. United States, 116 U.S. 616 , in Weeks v. United States, 232 U.S. 383 , in Silverthorne Lumber Co. v. United States, 251 U.S. 385 , in Gouled v. United States, 255 U.S. 298 , or one approaches it as a provision dealing with a formality. It makes all the difference in the world whether one recognizes the central fact about the Fourth Amendment, namely, that it was a safeguard against recurrence of abuses so deeply felt by the Colonies as to be one of the potent causes of the Revolution, or one thinks of it as merely a requirement for a piece of paper.

2. This is the Fourth Amendment:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

These words are not just a literary composition. They are not to be read as they might be read by a man who knows English but has no knowledge of the history that gave rise to the words. The clue to the meaning and [339 U.S. 56, 70] scope of the Fourth Amendment is John Adams' characterization of Otis' argument against search by the police that "American independence was then and there born." 10 Adams, Works 247. One cannot wrench "unreasonable searches" from the text and context and historic content of the Fourth Amendment. It was the answer of the Revolutionary statesmen to the evils of searches without warrants and searches with warrants unrestricted in scope. Both were deemed "unreasonable." Words must be read with the gloss of the experience of those who framed them.

Notice that Mr D. Hicks did not challenge such laws, I suspect it was suggested to him that he had the not-very hard choice of returning to Australia and serving a short sentence in an Australian jail without challenging the laws, or being returned to Afghanistan, where his incarceration would have been much shorter, but which as a member of the Taliban, under the new regime, would doubtless end with an early morning wakeup call from 12 armed men, equipped with a blindfold, some cord and perhaps a cigarette... That is what happens in Afghanistan, quite legally too.

[Edited on 3-2-2010 by un0me2]

VestriDeus - 7-2-2010 at 08:49

The terrorists are called terrorists because they work to spread terror amongst their enemies; their goal is not necessarily to kill people, but to instill fear amongst people. And they have done exactly that. It doesnt matter whether or not they kill people, or if one attempt or not fails, but each time they do something (especially after 9/11), everyone goes into a state of fear and panic, and a lot of other measures are brought forward that both create more fear and inconvenience.

After every terrorist attempt, whether sucessful or not, security measures are ramped up, and makes everyone afraid to say, fly on planes, and inconveniences those who arent. In causing these changes, the terrorists have essentially already created fear, and without killing anyone. They've won without having to even hurt anyone, simply because the whole system is backed up, and moral damage, psychological damage, and economic damage is caused at a great magnitude. Killing people only increases the magnitude of that damage; regardless, they have caused damage nevertheless.

unome - 8-2-2010 at 03:55

I was probably put out more by the "Swine Flu", in my recent travels around my Continent than by the "Anti-Terror" inspections... I am far more likely to be killed by a drink driver than a suicidal raghead, so I do what I want, when I want without regard for the impotent fools.

If only they had the brains of the Viet Cong and used the Journalists to win the war for them, instead they behead the people who seek to glorify them and give them their moment in the spotlight... How very, very ironic

franklyn - 25-12-2012 at 21:46

Better to leave your Patek Philippe at home and wear flip flops.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/17/geoffrey-mcgann-arr...

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elementcollector1 - 25-12-2012 at 22:17

The terrorists won a looooong time ago, franky. They won right after 9/11/2001, when we were so terrified of them we'd agree to just about anything to "get rid of" or "stop" them.

jock88 - 28-12-2012 at 06:00

Flip flops have large heels that can be hollowed out.
You can stuff at least 100 grams of coke* in there.

Picture of the watch below.

*acola variety that is!

hissingnoise - 28-12-2012 at 06:24

It could go something like this; "I am a 'performance artist' and this suicide-vest is an integral part of my 'art'" . . .

franklyn - 28-12-2012 at 09:04

I opened this thread with the observation
" we have in fact transcended into psychosis "
this episode is yet another clinical example.

www.willitsnews.com/ci_22038994/rancho-palos-verdes-artists-...

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/11/16/oakland-airport-...

The account as stated in their own words by the police is characteristic of
individuals that are not in touch with reality.

" security officers found him wearing an unusual watch they said
could be used to make a timing device for a bomb "

" airport security found him wearing a watch that
looked like a timing device for an explosive "

" A bomb squad arrived within five minutes and determined
there were no explosive materials in the watch "

" A bomb squad was called to the checkpoint and determined
there was no explosive device connected to the watch "

" McGann was taken to Santa Rita Jail in Dublin where he was charged with
possessing materials to make an explosive device "

" While no actual explosives were found, McGann was carrying
potentially dangerous materials
and appeared to have made alterations to his boots,
which were unusually large and stuffed with layers of insoles "

" While no actual explosives were found, authorities said he was definitely
carrying potentially dangerous materials
and appeared to have made alterations to his boots "

" and he was very evasive on what he was doing "

If you have done nothing illegal , if in the course of being questioned what you
say is deemed to be deceitful you are then charged with the Felony of lying to
a federal officer. Given that , why would you even open your mouth ?
Here is the answer for that ( it's called the 5th amendment of the bill of rights )
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE
These two videos above was posted by Mr. Wizard here _
www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=14529#pid1883...

Further reading
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=14529&...

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grndpndr - 5-1-2013 at 05:03

Quote: Originally posted by tumadre

This shit fucking pisses me off enough to do something sinister about it.

Is that a radical thought or is that now criminal?

[Edited on 5-1-2013 by grndpndr]

No lawyer but I thought if any 2 folks contemplated a "sinister act" it was a conspiracy?
Speaking of crazy,Al Gore,inventor of the internet and discoverer of global warming allegedly sold his 20% share of a failing cable TV station worth some $100 million timed of course to avoid his "fair share" in Obamacrat taxes to Al Jazeera TV, AKA Hamas/ Al quaida why quibble over names/ideology and far right muslim religious sects among friends? Vaquely treasonous it would seem to me.US based Al Jazeera TV terror recruitment on US soil.Surely not treasonous of a former VP and POTUS candidate, its just buisiness!!
Another little animal lover news Joy to brighten your day
as well as a confidence booster of our elected officials and the electorate who actually voted this braintrust into office.

Colorado Congresswoman Diana Degette introduced legislation in the great state of Colorado to mandate that dogs wear personal flotation devices (Thats a lifejacket to you and me) around pools.Known as the 'Pet Care Facilities Act' or 'PACFA' its intended to stop the tragedy of a few dogs lost to pool drownings each year.Every dog lost to a sensless death is a tragedy!So Is the salary spent by the state of Colorado on a Brain trust like Congresswoman Degette.(Or Decline and fall of the USA)

[Edited on 5-1-2013 by grndpndr]

cyanureeves - 5-1-2013 at 07:07

This shit fucking pisses me off enough to do something sinister about it.

Is that a radical thought or is that now criminal? no it is not crimminal maybe a sin,neither is being capable of,or most probable of committing a crime.i do think the NRA though should have some kind of disclaimer in guns and ammo type of magazines because these magazines mix weapons laws awareness along with commercial advertisements.sometimes it seems that publishers and the NRA are one and the same but they are not and it makes the NRA look like the marlboro man fighting for freedom of choice. i bet no true pyro or amateur chemist would ever hurt people.

Wizzard - 5-1-2013 at 17:28

I get weird looks from ANYBODY I tell I am a chemist as a hobby, and I grow crystals.

F8ck people and their opinions. We all respect eachother, and I get respect from people who do what I do as a hobby, as a profession.

AndersHoveland - 6-1-2013 at 09:11

Society did not always have a paranoia of guns and explosives. I think the (irrational) fear began to take hold in the 1960's, and has continued to get worse.

franklyn - 8-1-2013 at 08:38

Candidates for Guantanamo Bay Naval Base detention camp.

After all , Extraordinary Rendition is for use on domestic terrorists ,
the laws are in place , U.S. citizens are subject to the provisions ,
there is no exemption for financial terrorism.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/01/07/rescued-by-a-bailout-...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/08/us-aig-lawsuit-gov...

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[Edited on 8-1-2013 by franklyn]

AndersHoveland - 8-1-2013 at 08:52

I just do not see why law-abiding citizens should have to sacrifice more of their freedoms so the government can deal with all the increasing problems in society. Why are there so many illegal drug labs, terrorism, youth gang violence, and shooting sprees today? Chemicals never used to be a problem in the past. Children had concentrated acids in their chemistry sets for many decades, and it was not uncommon for the instructional booklets included in the sets to even suggest a few novelty explosives. Why is that now, all of a sudden in the last few decades, all of that has to be taken away?

[Edited on 8-1-2013 by AndersHoveland]

jock88 - 8-1-2013 at 17:03

Most of the disappearing-of-freedoms is caused by the lowest profession in the land. ie. lawyers etc.

Nickbb - 8-1-2013 at 18:20

Quote: Originally posted by AndersHoveland

I just do not see why law-abiding citizens should have to sacrifice more of their freedoms so the government can deal with all the increasing problems in society. Why are there so many illegal drug labs, terrorism, youth gang violence, and shooting sprees today? Chemicals never used to be a problem in the past. Children had concentrated acids in their chemistry sets for many decades, and it was not uncommon for the instructional booklets included in the sets to even suggest a few novelty explosives. Why is that now, all of a sudden in the last few decades, all of that has to be taken away?

[Edited on 8-1-2013 by AndersHoveland]

I don't get it either. People who grew up as kids with chemistry kits with the kind of things you mentioned are still fine today. Why are they trying to eliminate everything they grew up with, when they are still fine? I think it is partly due to how scared people get now of 'potential side effects'; it's the same as if one car as a freak accident of the gas pedal getting stuck, they recall all ten million of that same car. It's the same with chemicals, "oh well two kids accidentally ate some kind of chemical and almost died", basically to the point where the word chemical has a negative connotation and everything has to be gotten rid of.
I also believe that because everything that is dangerous to complete idiots has been taken away, kids really have nothing else to do that is good. Most kids now sit around playing video games or sadly experiment with drugs or form gangs, they start getting bad influences. And it also seems today that everyone has to be drugged up with a ton of medications to fix everything that is slightly wrong with them. I'm not surprised so many people are becoming sadistic psychopaths.

elementcollector1 - 15-1-2013 at 13:21

I'm thinking of moving out of the U.S., to be honest. It's just getting too crazy. Let's hear a shoutout from around the world - where's the best place for a home chemist to be right now?

watson.fawkes - 17-1-2013 at 07:25

Quote: Originally posted by elementcollector1

where's the best place for a home chemist to be right now?

The best place is wherever you happen to be right now. Just get on with it.

If you see something , say something

franklyn - 23-4-2013 at 08:41

" a local Air National Guardsman called 911 after he saw two men
acting suspiciously and avoiding eye contact."

" Police observed the men failing to use a blinker when swerving ,
and after pulling the car over, determined they had suspicious bags
and asked to search the vehicle."

http://news.yahoo.com/did-hear-traffic-stop-made-niagara-fal...

I think the president is also acting " suspiciously " , anyone think he
can be subject to unreasonable search ? After all you can't be too
careful these days , can you , just saying.

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franklyn - 30-4-2013 at 19:32

The High Cost of Government Secrecy
http://billmoyers.com/segment/glenn-greenwald-on-the-high-co...

Top Secret America
http://video.pbs.org/video/2117159594

Guy Fawkes the emblem of the present day anonymous movement
who conspired in 1605 to blow up the British Parlaiment is viewed by
many as “ the last man to enter Parliament with honest intentions ”

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Rosco Bodine - 30-4-2013 at 20:01

elementcollector1 - 1-5-2013 at 10:10

Quote: Originally posted by franklyn

Guy Fawkes ... is viewed by
many as “ the last man to enter Parliament with honest intentions ”

I'll admit, this was pretty funny. Should go in the joke thread in Whimsy.

Endimion17 - 5-5-2013 at 23:30

Holy shit, you people in USA actually descended into the realm of dystopian novels.

http://news.yahoo.com/teenagers-social-media-terrorism-threa...

The Methuen, Mass., high school student was arrested last week after posting online videos that show him rapping an original song that police say contained “disturbing verbiage” and reportedly mentioned the White House and the Boston Marathon bombing. He is charged with communicating terrorist threats, a state felony, and faces a potential 20 years in prison. Bail is set at $1 million.

Is anyone actually trying to stop this or you're all just enjoying the Auld Lang Syne with a glass of brandy while the freezing sea is climbing over the deck?

Guys, I'm sorry to inform you of this, but you're fucked.
Secret torture prisons abroad, indefinite detention without lawyers, slaying instead of arresting and trial, celebration of military sector, "everything for freedom and state", declining science, public health and education, arresting people because of their opinions, ...
That reminds me of Eastern Block and even my country, except there weren't any citizens celebrating that. People didn't say a word, they were scared shitless.

I'm truly amazed by this. It's kind of like watching a huge building on fire, or a cruiser sinking. An unbelieveable sight.
American domestic terrorism is going to rise because this is a positive feedback loop currently in order...

[Edited on 6-5-2013 by Endimion17]

Magpie - 6-5-2013 at 06:42

Quote: Originally posted by Endimion17

That reminds me of Eastern Block and even my country,...
[Edited on 6-5-2013 by Endimion17]

Yes, unfortunately the US is made up of homo sapiens just like in the other countries. The difference is that we have been telling everyone else that somehow we are different, "shining light on the hill," "last hope of man kind," etc. And for a long time everyone believed this.

franklyn - 6-5-2013 at 10:23

" If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever "

The above line is often quoted from George Orwell's novel '1984 ' published in 1948 .
If our self appointed protectors fullfill their goals , the North Korean model will seem
like disneyland.

more _

" The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded
upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and
self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy — everything."

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Free Press - Free Speech and "State Security" in conflict?

Rosco Bodine - 15-5-2013 at 16:44

franklyn - 24-5-2013 at 10:25

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder reviewed himself
and has cleared himself of any wrong doing.

http://news.yahoo.com/eric-holder-signed-off-fox-news-search...

You see , the thing is , if you snoop on what the government is up to ,
you're guilty of espionage.

_______________________

If you see something say something - how near sighted do you have to be.

www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2013/05/man_with_supposed_assaul...

www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?415452-NJ-Umbrella-mist...

franklyn - 8-6-2013 at 01:08

Elaborating on this article in the opening post of this thread
www.newscientist.com/article/dn12458-can-a-government-remote...

They're watching you
www.nature.com/news/2011/110527/full/news.2011.323.html

www.nature.com/news/2010/100526/full/465412a.html

Future Attribute Screening Technology (FAST) Project
www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/privacy/privacy_pia_st_fast.pdf

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Extreme Trolling

franklyn - 16-8-2013 at 00:54

This is what ' civilization ' has regressed to , absent critical thought ,
blind obedience to asserted authority assures credulity incited dismay.
www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/internet/telephone-terrorist

In the 1938 Mercury Theatre radio broadcast of The War of the Worlds
1.7 million believed it to be true , and 1.2 million were “genuinely frightened.”
http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/me...

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Varmint - 16-8-2013 at 05:15

Endimion17:

you mention domestic violence being bound to increase as part of a positive feedback loop.

Agreed.

And there is another sidebar to the "emerging American experience":

Racism. I'm 54 now, when I was a kid, I wasn't racist, my parents weren't racist, my siblings, nor anyone I knew were racist. It just did not matter. It didn't matter to the degree where no one even pondered why it didn't matter if that makes sense.

But after 50+ years of being told I'm a defacto racist because of the color of MY skin, I started to believe. I started to pay attention, and I came to learn that most violent crime was committed by a certain group, and although their percentage amongst the population was low, their aggregate crime surpassed all other groups combined. Not just surpassed, but significantly so.

I also learned that what most would call ancient history, can be used as a "valid" arguement for why this group is, by and large, incapable of success. Yes, what happened 150+ years ago is the reason for everything.

Nevermind that their own "brothers" where the ones "selling" them, nevermind that the ones not sold still dig in the dirt and scoop out the contents of decaying trees to find grubs for dinner, this 150+ year old "trade" is going to be used as the excuse, forevermore.

Nevermind how many other nations were involved in this "trade", it seems the US is the only one that seems willing and able to let the "trade" cow them into submission.

The other involved nations collectively said "you are free now, shut the fuck up, fit it, and make something of yourselves", but the US seems to have a problem with cold hard facts and the means of delivering them.

We are afraid to be "mean", we'd rather wring our hands, worry and frought over what we could do to help, we've even gone so far as to vote for and support government sponsored racism.

Yes, we in effect allowed legislation that can be interpreted as saying "We realize you are incapable, so we will FORCE every opportunity to provide for you, in the hope you can adapt".

The sidline to this is, it doesn't or hasn't worked, and being the type prone to self-delusion, we, instead of rethinking the wrong-headedness of it all, decide that the solution must be MORE of a bad thing in order to realize "the dream".

Now we have a product of affirmative action as President of our once great nation. A rabble-rouser of no true qualification whatsoever, this derelict has made the perpetuation of racism as his central platform.

He's made executive orders which tell our public school system to ignore the bad behavior of black children, and instead of telling them blacks must be promoted above their self-determined standing, the whites, asians, mexicans and other must be written up at increasing levels so as to mask the fact that blacks are doing most of the disrupting in class, etc...

In essence, the "order" is to lower the offense threashold for non-blacks, while raising it FOR blacks, so in the end it ends up looking like there is no problem group you can point any given finger at.

So, I didn't start out one, but after 5 decades of being told I must be a racist, I now agree, I am. I didn't seek to pay inordinate amounts of attention, I didn't seek for anyone to label, I didn't need to find out there were differences I needed to acknowledge and feel guilty about, but they won. I now am the racist they sought for me to be.

Sort of funny, when I was a kid, even my grandfather had black buddies at his favorite "watering hole", home ownership and 2 adult families were standard fare in that group, and racism was something no one ever talked about. Now it's all anyone ever talks about.

Way to go Obama! And for those who voted for him out of white guilt, I hope you realize, eventually, whites aren't the racists, the blacks are. Once you understand and embrace that, maybe then we can get back to how things were when I was a kid, when it simply did not matter and we had no cause to wonder if it even should matter.

bfesser - 16-8-2013 at 05:48

The progression of this topic has been toward something that has little to nothing to do with amateur science. Take it to another forum. [closed]