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shocked.gif posted on 30-10-2003 at 13:32
HMTD to NH3


I have done a small batch of HMTD using acetic acid way. I've done it thousands of times (maybe not thousands but a lot of :p) but this time I used NaOH (30%) to neutralise the remaining acetic acid.

Then a strange thing happened : It smelt NH3... Have you ever seen HMTD releasing NH3 ? (As the only source of nitrogen is the explosive peroxide !)

It stopped smelling ammonia when I washed it with clean water. So, I'm pretty sure NaOH plays a role in it.

Do you have any idea ? Could it be dangerous if HMTD begins to decompose in the filter ?
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[*] posted on 30-10-2003 at 13:59


Looks like the strong base decomposed the HMTD. 30% will be several molar, so very strong (much unlike NaHCO3). Anyone care to give a mechanistic route?
HMTD decomposes even in the absence of a strong base during the period of several months, and NH3 is one of the products - so it seems you got nothing unusual.
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[*] posted on 30-10-2003 at 19:35


7.5M to be more exact. Just curious, but what prompted you to use NaOH to neutralise it this time. It sounds as if you've never tried this before at least.

Heres one theory, doubt its correct though. Using the strong NaOH, it breaks the cyclic peroxide bonds. They don't like strongly alkaline environment as far as I know. Then the resulting compound, hexamine most likely, reacts with the NaOH forming NH<sub>4</sub>OH. This decomposes to NH<sub>3</sub> and H<sub>2</sub>O, just like the classic Ammonia gas preparation.

What I find kinda odd though is that Ammonia gas is liberated but not formaldehyde. The Hexamine doesn't list either NaOH or strong alkaline environments as an incompatibility.
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[*] posted on 30-10-2003 at 22:58


I used to wash it with sodium bicarbonate but the bottle was empty yesterday...

I didn't know peroxides doesn't like strong base, thx for the tips :)
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[*] posted on 31-10-2003 at 02:32


Very few energetic materials can stand concentrated NaOH; especially with heating of course...
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