Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: Decomposition/Oxidation reactions with NH4NO3, NANO3 and O2 to produce 100% HNO3
kclo4
National Hazard
****




Posts: 916
Registered: 11-12-2004
Location:
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 12-3-2005 at 22:42
Decomposition/Oxidation reactions with NH4NO3, NANO3 and O2 to produce 100% HNO3


By mixing NH4NO3, NANO3 and O2 you could make almost 100% HNO3 (correct me if I am wrong) but I cant seem to figure out how much NaNO3 to mix to the NH4NO3 to make the HNO3 with out toxic fumes coming off or dilute HNO3 I plan to add excessive amounts of O2 so I do not care about how much O2 is needed (but really you need to know in order to find out how much NANO3 to add to the NH4NO3). If some one would help me with the formula I would greatly appreciate it however I do not wont to be spoon fed because I would not be able to calculate similar reactions so if someone would explain to me how to calculate the decomposition/oxidation reaction between NANO3, NH4NO3 and O2 to produce 100% HNO3 I would greatly appreciate it

[Edited on 13-3-2005 by kclo4]
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
I am a fish
undersea enforcer
****




Posts: 600
Registered: 16-1-2003
Location: Bath, United Kingdom
Member Is Offline

Mood: Ichthyoidal

[*] posted on 13-3-2005 at 04:45


Mixing ammonium nitrate and sodium nitrate will merely give you a mixture of the two. I fail to see how the addition of oxygen would make any difference. To get nitric acid, you should add concentrated sulphuric acid to a nitrate, and distill off the product. This topic has been extensively discussed in other threads.



1f `/0u (4|\\| |234d 7|-|15, `/0u |234||`/ |\\|33d 70 937 0u7 /\\/\\0|23.
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
kclo4
National Hazard
****




Posts: 916
Registered: 11-12-2004
Location:
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 13-3-2005 at 08:39


Oh I’m sorry
I was not clear I was going to heat it tell the NH4NO3 and NaNO3 decomposed
See if you decompose NH4NO3 you get 2H2O,NO and N and then if you were to add oxygen and then condense you would get about 45% nitric acid but when you decompose 2NaNO3 you get 2NO2 and a 1/2 O2 so my question is how much NaNO3 to add to the mixture to make 100% HNO3
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
sparkgap
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1234
Registered: 16-1-2005
Location: not where you think
Member Is Offline

Mood: chaotropic

[*] posted on 13-3-2005 at 09:00


Holy!!! You're gonna be heating an ammonium nitrate solution?!

(*scoots to shelter*)

Two words: Bad Idea!

sparky (^_^)




"What's UTFSE? I keep hearing about it, but I can't be arsed to search for the answer..."
View user's profile View All Posts By User
kclo4
National Hazard
****




Posts: 916
Registered: 11-12-2004
Location:
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 13-3-2005 at 09:04


What is wrong with that and what are the dangers?
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
neutrino
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1583
Registered: 20-8-2004
Location: USA
Member Is Offline

Mood: oscillating

[*] posted on 13-3-2005 at 09:52


Ammonium nitrate decomposing into nitric oxide? All I've ever heard of is nitrous oxide (N<sub>2</sub>O).
View user's profile View All Posts By User
kclo4
National Hazard
****




Posts: 916
Registered: 11-12-2004
Location:
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 13-3-2005 at 11:38


If you add 4NaNO3, 1/2 O2, 2NH4NO3 and heat tell they decompose and collect the gases that are given off and bubble them threw 1H2O you should have 6HNO3 and N2 so if you condense the gases given off you will get 100% HNO3

4NaNO3 + 2NH4NO3 + 1/2 O2 + H2O = NaOH + 6HNO3 + N2

Is this reaction correct?


[Edited on 13-3-2005 by kclo4]
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
neutrino
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1583
Registered: 20-8-2004
Location: USA
Member Is Offline

Mood: oscillating

[*] posted on 13-3-2005 at 12:09


Do you have any references for this reaction? It seems very unlikely, especially the part where nitric acid leaves sodium hydroxide behind.
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top