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[*] posted on 2-4-2018 at 23:22
Looking for the right exothermic reaction


Hi guys!

I have a bit of a puzzle that I haven't been able to solve, so I decided to ask on this forum:

I'm looking for a substance(s) which would generate decent amount of heat when mixed with water (obviously exothermic reaction). My aim is to heat up 1dl of water from initial 20 degrees of celsius to roughly 85 degrees of celsius. The net mass of the end products, including the water, shouldn't be more than 125g. Furthermore the formed solution should be safe for human consumption, and it shouldn't produce any precipitate. I already studied the CaO, CaCl2, Li2O (just a few to mention), and most common acids/bases: obviously these would generate lot of heat when mixed with water, but I found that either the formed solution is harmful for humans or there is precipitate formed or the the overall mass is too high. Any help or suggestion on how to proceed with this problem would be highly appreciated. Thanks!
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[*] posted on 2-4-2018 at 23:46


From a practical standpoint, traditional methods of heating win out over chemical methods due to versatile means of manufacture (in fire's case, at least) and availability of reagents (or, in this case, fuels). But I'll treat this as a puzzle irrespective to practicality, because it's more fun that way.

The 'safest' chemical that undergoes significant exothermic reaction is sodium acetate crystallizing from supersaturated solution. However, this is neither safe for human consumption (unless you can deal with the contents of your stomach rapidly solidifying) nor particularly pleasant to ingest, so that one's out.

Many anhydrous chemicals (copper sulfate, magnesium sulfate, and others) heat up when introduced to water. Of these, magnesium sulfate would probably be 'best,' but again, it's not exactly pleasant.

Technically speaking, introducing any base (i.e. antacid, others) to your acidic astrointestinal fluids would result in heat being generated, meaning that even calcium carbonate could suffice depending on how much you used. Unfortunately, this results in a lot of CO2 generation...

It's an interesting question, and I'm not sure there's an actual answer to be found. Anyone else want to take a crack at it?




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[*] posted on 3-4-2018 at 23:25


Thank you elementcollector for such a swift reply!

You are right, the traditional means of heating surely wins out the chemical way, but I’m intentionally looking the chemical way. Let me explain a bit more what I’m actually trying to achieve:

Biodegradable and edible pouch in which the reagents are stored -> the pouch is dropped in a beaker that contains 1 dl of water at NTP conditions -> the protecting film quickly dissolves -> reagents become exposed to water -> instant, but not too violent exothermic reaction -> ~1dl of hot water.

This would be great way to brew some coffee while hiking. Just grab some water from the river into your mug and toss in the pouch (of course the pouch would also contain some instant coffee powder). No fire, no additional appliances, and best of all, no waste produced.

The energy required to raise 1 dl of water from 20 ℃ to 85 ℃ is about 27 kJ. 25g of CaO would do the trick, but the solution would become too alkaline, and a nasty precipitate would also be formed. CaCl2 would also produce enough heat but the solution wouldn’t be drinkable either. The supersaturated sodium acetate is quite interesting. It has some applications in food industry (mostly regulating the acidity), and I’ve seen it being used in hand warmers, but as you said that wouldn’t be exactly pleasant to drink either.

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[*] posted on 3-4-2018 at 23:36


Honestly, if I knew the solution I wouldn't tell you for a million dollars. That's a product that would make me a fortune.

Besides, it can't be done. If it could someone would have figured it out decades ago.




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[*] posted on 4-4-2018 at 03:55


You’d probably be better off studying a reaction as opposed to exothermic dissolution because depending on what you employ, you may need far less than some salt. Keep with the idea of dissolvable pouches but with two parts for two reactants. Instead of dissolving it into the drink though, which would probably be disgusting, maybe have another pot into which the water is heated and then add the drink container to that - I get you want to save as much space/weight as possible but there’s no point if it can’t be consumed!
Potassium permanganate and diluted glycerol could be used in such a manner, since we know that the two can be used to start a fire when pure - instead of that outcome, the oxidation reaction should just generate lots of heat instead. Plus, the KMnO4 has several other survival uses so it’s always handy to carry some when out in the wild.




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[*] posted on 4-4-2018 at 04:11


2 words: Hand warmers.

Carbon
Salt
Iron

Military had this solved years ago with field rations

Mg
Fe
NaCl
C

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meal,_Ready-to-Eat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flameless_ration_heater

So just use biodegradable outer shell, a sachet of CaO in gell cap, user puts in their metal cup with their coffee mixed add water and wait



[Edited on 4-4-2018 by XeonTheMGPony]
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[*] posted on 4-4-2018 at 05:09


I agree with XeonTheMGPony.
You can also use maybe a bit "upgraded" version of sodium acetate heating pad (with non-toxic encapsulation). You just initiate the crystallization and put it inside you coffee cup.
It's also reusable which is a + I guess.

[Edited on 4-4-2018 by crystal grower]




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