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I hear the swarm at a distance........hold on to your patience, it will come for all to enjoy the honey of the groups work....................solo

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Rhodium

I think that the better question is where is Rhodium himself... as in the man, the myth, the legend who put out the archive. There has been talk, of integrating Rhodium into a new and larger archive. To me this sounds like heresy. Surely he's still around, and has the means to put out an update of the archive... even without the machinery of the Hive to stand on. I believe that the Rhodium archive, the original, should continue to expand, if that's possible. You see a guy post for a few years, throw around some PM's, you almost feel as if you know the guy. I'd hate to see the fruits of his monumental effort fall out of his hands.

And what hope do we have of ever making additions to the archive if we can't get in touch with him?

Where is Rhodium?
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 Quote: Originally posted by Flip I think that the better question is where is Rhodium himself... as in the man, the myth, the legend who put out the archive. There has been talk, of integrating Rhodium into a new and larger archive. To me this sounds like heresy. Surely he's still around, and has the means to put out an update of the archive... even without the machinery of the Hive to stand on. I believe that the Rhodium archive, the original, should continue to expand, if that's possible. You see a guy post for a few years, throw around some PM's, you almost feel as if you know the guy. I'd hate to see the fruits of his monumental effort fall out of his hands. And what hope do we have of ever making additions to the archive if we can't get in touch with him? Where is Rhodium?

We have him at Gitmo with the rest of the terrorists. Osmium and LabTop are dead. They decided to martyr themselves when the police broke into their mother's basement to arrest them. This was a fun thread. I enjoyed all the suffering. The terrorists suffered worse than at totse.

[Edited on 7-3-2006 by Bill]
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"No student left behind"...........and no bee left behind so off to "college for knowledge"?
there was a time when time was available for all, but now time has been encroached by duties and responsibilities like everyone in the real world........so doesn't Rhodium deserve the right to make choices without being scorned by the simbionic crowd......we all stand alone in this world, guidence is as close as our own motivation and will power to get the deed done..........and so, there is an army of bee's ready to get it done all we need is our Hive.................... and Rhodium you'll always bee the king bee, have the confidence in us to get the job done, so delegate some authority and lets make a covalent bond and take some action so we can have a reaction ...........solo/java

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 Quote: We have him at Gitmo with the rest of the terrorists. Osmium and LabTop are dead.

You don't know what you're talking about, these people are all alive, free and well. Posting such morbid fantasies are clearly a sign of unresolved anger, therapy is advised

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Originally posted by leu
 Quote: We have him at Gitmo with the rest of the terrorists. Osmium and LabTop are dead.

Like the entire U.S. military complex could ever take down LT & Os?

Pffft.
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Didn't LaBTop and Osmium admit that they were members of Al Qaeda?
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 Quote: Didn't LaBTop and Osmium admit that they were members of Al Qaeda?

No they didn't, most Europeans aren't even sympathizers of such groups; that's how those cartoons lampooning the prophet were published

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I'm Dutch and I had to laugh when I saw those cartoons.
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 Quote: Originally posted by Nerro I'm Dutch and I had to laugh when I saw those cartoons.
Being dutch, you´re forced by law to do so, for the success of multicultural matters, aren´t you?

[Edited on 23-5-2006 by nightflight]

[Edited on 23-5-2006 by nightflight]
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I was considering manufacturing Mohammed cartoon T-shirts using the best of the cartoons (some of which are really funny) and selling them on the Internet.

As I am probably too busy to actualize this scheme I hereby place it up for grabs.

I was going to call the company NotForProphet Inc.

Maybe have ads on the back for Spam and Hormel and Campbell's pork & beans, Jimmy Dean Pork Sausage etc.

In all seriousness the Moslems are far too touchy abour real or imagined insults to their religion. I cannot think of any other significant religion that is so prickly.

When the KGB via their Bulgarian lackeys shot the Pope (a Pole) the hundreds of millions of Catholics in the world did not start killing Russians, or even Bulgars.

And that was an attempted assassinatyion not a cartoon. One could lampoon the Pope, Jesus Christ and the Saints massively and no one would mount an act of violence, burn embassies and consulates, issue fatwahs and so on.

Dan Brown took potshots at the Church in The DaVinci Code but the Vatican laughed at it, they didn't do what some Modlem clerics did to Salman Rushdie when he wrote The Satanic Verses, allegedly insulting to Shi'ia.

I bet one could ridicule and caracuturize Joseph Smith and Brigham Yound and the Mormons would be unlikely to retaliate.

Maybe the Scientologists would whack you if you made fun of L.Ron Hubbard,...

But the Moslems, well, they are easily infuriated.

They take things far too seriously.

[Edited on 2-1-2007 by Sauron]
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You might of course take into account the age of the religions and remember how the christian church treated "heretics" in the 13th and 14th century what resembles the age of islam today.

It is not that I like any religion and for sure not any repression coming out of organized religion, but for fairness all of you who argue with "my religion is better then yours" (or more tolerant, or whatever) should get your frame adjusted, your way of argumentation is flawed. And we should not forget that christian fundamentalists would even nowadays love to erect some stakes to burn the infidels and heretics (me, for example) and that it is just a matter of luck that they are at the moment not in the position to do so.

Another thing I want to say: People, Rhodium was no Chem-God, never and he never was the true queen of the Hive. Strike was and he and he only. Rhodium started as archivist of important Hive topics and thats it. His chemistry was never more then mediocre, his style at least questionable (bashing Eleusis who had no chance to fight back for being in prison for example) and in the end he stole the Hive from the bees.
The Hive is somewhere out there, access restricted to few choosen ones. Somebody should set it free please - its about time.

/ORG

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Islam is 1400 years old, it is not that much "younger" than christianity, although both of them look pretty young to people in some other faiths. Buddhism is about 2600 years old, all three same order of magnitude.

If we grant arguendo, the immaturity argument, is it any excuse for homicide?

Incidentally the foundation of the complaint, that Islam forbids any image of the Prophet, is a crock. The Islamic world abounds in images of the Prophet of all kinds and produced in all centuries of the Islamic era. There's a website that documents this and shows many such images.

So all that rage was for a lie, manufactured by leaders for their own ends. What nonsense.
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I lurked for years on Rhodium but never posted there. At the time I was starved for online chemistry resources and despite the focus of that site being something I cannot abide, there was some interesting stuff on there, regarding reagents.

Once Org.Syn. went online for free Rhodium became much less valuable to me. I was just about to invest in a hardcopy set of the collective volumes when that happened. I already had bought about 12 years of the annual volumes on LabX or maybe it was eBay before I got sick of eBay. I am still on LabX.

Rhodium made no pretense of not being a drug chemistry site. It was organized by drug target. The only non-abuse drug I recall being on there was sildefanil. (Viagra).

There were some glaring errors. A procedure to prepare Ac20 from sulfur, Br2 and anhydrous sodium acetate, said to fuse the acetate in a drying oven at 325 C. Try it, you will destroy sodium acetate at that temp, it loses water at 125 C and after that starts to decompose. A typo to be sure but never corrected.
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 Quote: Originally posted by SauronThe only non-abuse drug I recall being on there was sildefanil. (Viagra).

I think you'll find that sildenafil is a rather popular recreational drug.

For me, the best attribute of The Hive was the characters who congregated there. A blend of intelligent freethinkers and psychotic malcontents. Very few conservatives and moralists. What more could you want?

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I'm no moralist. I may not like "drugs" for my own reasons but, to each his own. I am a conservative but what I call conservatism may not be what you call it. I can't abide the religious right, for example. I'm more of a small-government fan, but my focus has always been on foreign policy issues rather than on any domestic agenda.

You'd probably call me a libertarian.

As to sild I was talking about controlled substances which sild definitely is not. And sild is useless to anyone by a male with ED, and even then useless if his ED is not tractible to the particular mode of action (cyclic-GMP vasodilation.) For anyone else sild produces no desired effects. Even for those men whose ED is responsive, they must have external stimulation, because sild acts only on the blood supply not on the libido.

For libido effects you have to turn to PT-141 not yet on the market.

The first true human aphrodisiac. BREMELANOTIDE.

Ac-Nle-cyclo(Asp-His-D-Phe-Arg-Trp-Lys)-OH

Effective on both sexes.

Do I sound like a moralist?
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Of course the age of a religion is no excuse for anything but if comparing two religions for reasons of fairness you have to take age into account. You HAVE to compare nowadays Islam with Christianity of around 1400 and then it doesnt look so good at all anymore for Christianity.

I doubt a bit that you have been around at the days of the Hive as if, then you would know that you could not post at Rhodiums page at all, for this being an archive page. The board one could post was called the-hive.

For a working libido enhancer you dont have to turn to exotic new compounds which give you a tan but you might just go for GHB/GBL. Works damned well an both sexes.

And Sauron: Some quality-content posts would be more appreciated then political statements, you know?

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All GHB/GBL do is tweak the GABA system around. Increased electrical activity in the brain. Zero specific libido enhancement.

PT-141, which is a synthetic analog of a-MSH, alpha-melanocyte stimulating hormone, a posterior pituitary hormone, is in Phase III FDA trials as a treatment for female sexual dysfunction. Whereas GHB is a Schedule 1 controlled substance. Yeah I know, it probably shouldn't be, but there it is. And GBL by all rights still ought to be a solvent and not a nasty precursor.

I've made a lot of quality posts here. Go read them.

Doubt all you like. I did lurk on Rhodium. For years. As I said I never posted there, so why should I recall that posting there wasn't possible? I never tried to. It was just a welcome source of chemical information at a time when all I had was a Merck Index and a Aldrich catalog and a few pieces of software.

I remember flames raging about the preparation of hydroiodic acid; preparation of methylamine hcl; preparation of chloroform from acetone and hypochlorite. Some of those I saved on HDD at the time and some I printed out and still have around here, somewhere.

I first encountered cyanuric chloride on Rhodium maybe 4-5 yerars ago, now have quite a bit on hand here. I have posted about it on this forum and I gave proper credit to Rhodium about it,

Same with an old Russian prep for acetic anhydride, which I also mentioned here, and credited Rhodium about, maybe 7-10 days ago.

Saw that one first also about 3-4 uears ago. Since then have arrived at better routes to Ac2O which do not require bromine. I have made a number of "quality posts" about them in the appropriate threads.

[Edited on 3-1-2007 by Sauron]
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You malign Rhodium without cause. The melting point of sodium acetate pretty much is 325C and heating it to that point with gentle heat does not cause problems. Vacuum is necessary for dehydration at the temperature you mention. If someone tried your method as you said, without mention of vacuum, their reaction would fail.

Your definition of what a quality post is is at odds with what some of us think it is. I prefer the higher standard for the good health of the site and not burying the good posts under crap.
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 Quote: Originally posted by Organikum The Hive is somewhere out there, access restricted to few choosen ones. Somebody should set it free please - its about time. /ORG

Then it isn't The Hive.

Besides, the current political climate has taken a very sinister and unpleasant turn for the worse. To run such a public website is risky. The state has become very authoritarian and disrespectful of individual liberties. Who knows, maybe a forum admin could end up getting rendered to the US for decades of maltreatment.

I think an invitation-only site is a wise move even if the rest of us feel excluded. Which leads me to think...

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 Quote: Originally posted by Organikum The Hive is somewhere out there, access restricted to few choosen ones. Somebody should set it free please - its about time. /ORG

Then it isn't The Hive.

Besides, the current political climate has taken a very sinister and unpleasant turn for the worse. To run such a public website is risky. The state has become very authoritarian and disrespectful of individual liberties. Who knows, maybe a forum admin could end up getting rendered to the US for decades of maltreatment.

I think an invitation-only site is a wise move even if the rest of us feel excluded. Which leads me to think...

I think he means that some people who ran the Hive have full backups of it and could share a static message archive if they cared to do so (like the partial archive that has been seen, but completed). The Hive is dead as a living entity, but there's still a lot of good meat on those bones. There's no political/legal excuse for not providing such an archive, just selfishness and/or laziness.

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 Quote: Originally posted by Polverone I think he means that some people who ran the Hive have full backups of it and could share a static message archive if they cared to do so (like the partial archive that has been seen, but completed). The Hive is dead as a living entity, but there's still a lot of good meat on those bones. There's no political/legal excuse for not providing such an archive, just selfishness and/or laziness.

Ah, I see. New studentship notwithstanding, I imagine the eponymous archivist still maintains control. Hence, Org's frustration with him. I suspect some kind of control freakery as the motivation. Surely, we can do something better.

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MargeterThatcher is a wee bit paranoid. Gitmo isn't big enough to include the admins of politically incorrect discussion boards. The US renders terrorists, and only high value ones at that, the rest they merely kill.

No one here qualifies as even a pimple on the left buttock of a terrorist, much less a high value one.

Arguendo, were that not the case, why on earth would you believe that having a forum be invitation-only would present the slightest difficulty to the NSA or GCHQ or any other COMINT organization from accessing the content, the message traffic, etc? You think PGP even slows them down? The notion is amusing. Maybe you should spend time on a crypto forum. You can't hide from them, most certainly not on the internet which ARPA created in the first place.

The anti-terrorist guys and gals play by one set of rules, and mostly there aren't any. The DEA play by conventional rules of law enforcement. That is not likely to change. They might indict someone, but they don't render anyone.
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 Quote: Originally posted by Sauron Arguendo, were that not the case, why on earth would you believe that having a forum be invitation-only would present the slightest difficulty to the NSA or GCHQ or any other COMINT organization from accessing the content, the message traffic, etc? You think PGP even slows them down?

Hell yes PGP slows them down. I'd bet every cent I have in the bank that PGP can generate messages that the NSA can't decrypt. Of course security is only as strong as the weakest link in the chain, so if the FBI has broken into your house and hidden a keystroke recorder in your keyboard, that doesn't help much. It's also possible to analyze traffic patterns even if you can't read the contents of messages. But breaking even modest levels of encryption, or bypassing encryption security through hardware-level bugging, exploit-delivered keylogger installation, or serving ISPs with warrants to tap their customers' servers, is billions of times more resource-intensive than scanning unencrypted traffic at backbone providers' data centers, as the NSA is accused of currently doing. If governments do devote any resources to attempting to break encrypted messages found traversing backbones, increasing use of encryption for even mundane tasks has the salutory effect of making it that much harder for governments to distinguish wheat from chaff before they expend resources on decryption.

 Quote: The notion is amusing. Maybe you should spend time on a crypto forum.

Have you spent any time on crypto forums? It appears that 3DES is as rock-solid as ever, just a little slow, if you think that newer algorithms haven't been scrutinized thoroughly enough. For the asymmetric part, RSA or Diffie-Hellman with large keys should survive attack even if we make the conservative assumptions that
1) the NSA has designed and built special-purpose keybreaking hardware for integer factorization and/or the discrete logarithm problem
2) their hardware is an order of magnitude better (faster per dollar spent) than theoretical designs published in the open literature and
3) the NSA spends fully half of their estimated $3.6 billion budget on such hardware. Estimated costs for breaking RSA1024 in one year with special-purpose hardware are as low as$10 million. Let's say the NSA is 10 times better and can do it for one million dollars, and that their hardware works on discrete logarithm problems as well as integer factorization. That's still only 1800 relatively weak keys breakable per year on their $1.8 billion keybreaking budget. IIRC the computational complexity to break RSA increases by something like 30 times for doubling the key size, and the memory requirements of a crucial step go WAY up. Even with "weak" 1024 bit keys and the other generous assumptions I've made, how many people do you think are so dangerous that a government would spend$1 million just to read their email?

You can always handwave and say "I think the NSA has discovered vulnerabilities in all commonly used crypto schemes that renders their compromise computationally trivial," but I consider that little more credible than "NASA has antigravity drives and a secret Martian base."

[Edited on 1-4-2007 by Polverone]

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I say nothing of the sort. I say NSA does not let any cryptographic technology go public unless and until they have a way into it. They watch the academic cryptographic community like a hawk, and use a combination of carrot and stick to maintain their hegemony. A similar situation prevails in Europe.

A generation ago one of my friends bought a Swiss company called Crypto AG. They were going to auction a piece of that company's technology at Sotheby's. The day before the auction a very polite gentleman from British Intelligence showed up accompanied by two Americans I used to know well, James Jesus Angleton and Max Hugel. Angleton, legendary former counterintelligence chief of CIA. Hugel, a close aide to William Casey, Reagan's Director of Central Intelligence, and Max was for a time Deputy Director for Operations. The auction did not go forward, by order of HM's Government.

It was maybe a decade later that my friend told me about this and I had to break the news to him that Jim's family are significant shareholders in Lucent and Max Hugel was owner of Brother Typewriters. Both of them veterans of the OSS by the way.

Cryptography available to the public is fine for keeping your wife from reading your emails to your GF but don't kid yourself that you are hiding anything from THOSE guys. NSA has a much larger budget than CIA, and answers to the SecDef. All you are doing when you use crypto on the Internet is red flagging yourself which is why I never use it. As I have nothing to hide (not even from my wife) it is not a problem.
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