Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: too much palladium in H2 reduction?
mono
Harmless
*




Posts: 10
Registered: 16-3-2007
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 13:55
too much palladium in H2 reduction?


Hi,

I was wondering if having added too much palladium (60 % too much) could fail the reduction or be dangerous?
It's an H2 reduction using palladium under 5 bar pressure.

thanks :)

[Edited on 26-3-2008 by mono]




Liberty
1a. The condition of being free from restriction or control.
b. The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one\'s own choosing.
c. The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Nicodem
Super Moderator
*******




Posts: 4230
Registered: 28-12-2004
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 14:01


Certainly adding too much of Pd-C (assuming you used 5% palladium on carbon since you say nothing) would not cause the hydrogenation to fail. It would only speed it up and that's all.
As far as being dangerous, it only depends on what you did with it. If it was 5% Pd-C it is pretty innocuous, at least if you respect all the hydrogenation safety rules. The 10% Pd-C is a bit pyrophoric and can ignite the solvent if added to it in air. I always flush with argon first when using 10% Pd-C, but don't worry at all with the 5% one.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
mono
Harmless
*




Posts: 10
Registered: 16-3-2007
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 14:04


oh sorry, forgot a lot of details.
thanks for helping me :)
solvent is ethyl acetate.
flushed 3x times with 2 bar Nitrogen.
Using 5% palladium on carbon.

[Edited on 26-3-2008 by mono]

[Edited on 26-3-2008 by mono]




Liberty
1a. The condition of being free from restriction or control.
b. The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one\'s own choosing.
c. The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
vulture
Forum Gatekeeper
*****




Posts: 3330
Registered: 25-5-2002
Location: France
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 15:09


I've had people tell me that Pd-C which still has some hydrogen on the surface can become pyrophoric when you use filtration to remove it from the reaction mixture, due to reaction of H2 with oxygen. I've never had it happen though.



One shouldn't accept or resort to the mutilation of science to appease the mentally impaired.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
stoichiometric_steve
National Hazard
****




Posts: 819
Registered: 14-12-2005
Member Is Offline

Mood: satyric

[*] posted on 29-3-2008 at 14:28


Quote:
Originally posted by vultureI've never had it happen though.


i did - suddenly, an orange spot appeared in the middle of the filter cake in a buchner funnel and smoke was sucked through the filter. i was quick-witted enough (took me 5 seconds to realize what was happening, though) to pour some dH2O on the filter cake.
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top