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[*] posted on 13-6-2008 at 21:04
Elemental Scientific


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Has anyone ever ordered from here? It seems like a good chemical supplier, I wanted to order some mercury from them, but some of the things that they sell are somewhat shady; they don't even require the proper forms for iodine; I don't get it.

The price of mercury there isn't bad at all, though.
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[*] posted on 13-6-2008 at 21:54


Two possibilities

1. They will be going to jail soon.

2. They are a LE sting and other folks will be going to jail soon.

Are they offering red phosphorus as well as iodine?

What other DEA listed or scheduled substances are they offering?

The more of these the more likely they are a sting.

Another possibility is they just take your money and laugh.

Basic rule: if it sounds too good to be true, it probably IS too good to be true.




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[*] posted on 13-6-2008 at 21:55


These folks have been around for quite a while. Although I have never ordered anything from them, I have never heard anything negative about them either.
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[*] posted on 13-6-2008 at 22:35


They have had a name change.

And they are located in Wisconsin.

They do ship hazmat via UPS and collect a $20 fee for same (1-3 items)

Their list is a grab bag.

Acetic anhydride
3-indoleacetic acid
Gallic acid
Iodine
nitromethane
Hexamethylenetetramine
sodium metal but no potassium metal
sodium and potassium chlorates, potassium perchlorate
Magnesium metal, ribbon, powder and turnings

No K or Na cyanides that I noticed

No phosphorus at all

No hydriodic acid

Maybe it is not a sting. Maybe it's a Mom and Pop, maybe fellow enthusists, but you would think they would been harassed out of business by now.

They are in a smallish town in WI where Robert Bloch used to live ("Psycho" author) Also where Houdini lived.

So who knows?




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[*] posted on 13-6-2008 at 23:19


I think that they are legit. It is likely that the catalog is not yet updated for the I2 change, who knows if that particular item is still available. BTW - I don't think there is any 'official form', rather a requirement to save name/address/etc.
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[*] posted on 13-6-2008 at 23:33


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They are in a smallish town in WI


Smallish? Appleton is a moderately sized city! :P I have relatives there. Though I think Bromic Acid is closer than I am, if anyone were to scope it out in person.

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[*] posted on 14-6-2008 at 00:03


Hah. I live in a city of 12 millions, so as far as I am concerned, Milwaukee is the only city in WI and everyplace else is a village...just joking.

OT but you are probably aware that Bob Bloch based "Psycho" on the Ed Gean case - the cannibalistic ghoul who lived in rural Wisconsin in the 50s and apparently passed human meat to his neighbors as venison.

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[*] posted on 14-6-2008 at 01:24


I would have to agree with Sauron on this one the first of his list
says it all. EUD nope its over the web. not safe for the average bee thats
for sure.

not to mention a compound two steps from elf spice straight out of there
online order lists.

never ordered from them I may be wrong but thats a true no no in the
DEA's lists.




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[*] posted on 14-6-2008 at 01:48


Well, they sell only in hobbyist quantities, largest 16 oz, and never heard of metric units. Their prices do not appear to be the usual ripoff either (compare to sciencelab). Furthermore they are long established and apparently well familiar to some members. They really don't trip all that many alarms.

That indoleacetic acid does stick out a bit. But if I were designing a sting op I'd have a few more tempting morsels in there, like propionyl chloride, say. Or N-acetylanthranilic acid, or piperidine. All are absent.

So maybe the elf spice precursor is just an anomaly.

They are on wrong side of the pond for me, I don't buy from US chem sellers because of the stupid hazmat fees which are just plain asinine.




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[*] posted on 14-6-2008 at 04:42


IAA is not an uncommon chemical for sale on the internet, and I'm sure several of us here have seen it elsewhere. It is not controlled in any way and its transformations to DMT tend to involve LAH. I doubt that it is a suspicious item for most people to buy in the amounts usually offered.

I note that every time that a very reasonable seller of chemicals is mentioned here, this is immediately followed by:
No more sales to hobbyists (Cynmar)
Shutting down entirely (Al-chymist)
Massive price inflation (Chemsavers)

It seems to be the kiss of death one way or another, so I hate these threads.




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[*] posted on 14-6-2008 at 05:55


"Elf spice"? Is that DMT? What a funny name!



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[*] posted on 14-6-2008 at 06:02


Indol-3-ylacetic acid is something I wanted to buy as a kid when I was interested in biology and was experimenting with growing plants - I wanted to experiment the effects of this plant hormone on my green test subjects. But then I realized I could buy some product already designed for such use and containing indol-3-ylacetic acid. Indol-3-ylacetic acid might only be regulated on the ground of fitopharmaceutical use, otherwise it is just a compound like any other.
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[*] posted on 14-6-2008 at 08:07


post erased :( although I was informative I was probably doing our case
more damage than good. I should be more like the monkey see hear and say :).

sorry for the waist of band.

yes S.C your right the hive had its rules for a good reason.

[Edited on 14-6-2008 by Ephoton]




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[*] posted on 14-6-2008 at 09:35


I have my doubts on them being some sort of sting.
Look at the sheer number of chemicals available that are not for drugs or explosives....sure if all the chems for potentially illicit uses are pulled out and made into their own list it looks like a sting, but one could do the same with an Aldrich catalogue. The ratio of regular to thoughtcrime chemicals is heavily in favor of the regular ones.

Their quantities are also convenient for the hobbyist, I know I prefer 1-4oz of most chemicals as opposed to 500g like is often offered elsewhere.




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[*] posted on 14-6-2008 at 10:28


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I think that they are legit. It is likely that the catalog is not yet updated for the I2 change, who knows if that particular item is still available.


I suspect that you are right on here, Pantone. I remember seeing this same antiquated hard copy list of chemicals some years ago when I first discovered the website. I'm guessing that if one gave them a call he'd find that some of the more risque items are no longer available (unfortunately). Or they require the filling out of forms, etc.

Although I have never been there I know Appleton, Wisconsin as the headquarters of TAPPI, the Technical Association of the Pulp & Paper Industry, and the location of the Institute of Paper Chemistry. Although not often thought of as a "chemical industry," pulp & paper is in fact the 4th largest chemical industry in the US.

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[*] posted on 14-6-2008 at 11:52


Quote:
Originally posted by S.C. Wack
I note that every time that a very reasonable seller of chemicals is mentioned here, this is immediately followed by:
No more sales to hobbyists (Cynmar)
Shutting down entirely (Al-chymist)
Massive price inflation (Chemsavers)

It seems to be the kiss of death one way or another, so I hate these threads.

I can't speak for the others, but the Al-Chymist was around for years after the first mention here. IIRC, they shut down because it was a mom-and-pop operation and the guy's wife died of cancer. I was in touch with the owner via email for a while and he said that he was trying to sell the business to someone who could keep operating it, but I guess that didn't pan out.




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[*] posted on 15-6-2008 at 04:37


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I can't speak for the others, but the Al-Chymist was around for years after the first mention here. IIRC, they shut down because it was a mom-and-pop operation and the guy's wife died of cancer. I was in touch with the owner via email for a while and he said that he was trying to sell the business to someone who could keep operating it, but I guess that didn't pan out.


Oh thats sad. I wish that something better would come of this. I wish I had more financial resources at the time, but I had just enough to clear out their Lanthanum Oxide stash for $135 and have been selling on ebay since. Down to a pound or two. It would have been a perfect opportunity if I had the capitol. At least I could have given the guy a sense of satisfaction if I could have taken the torch and ran with it.
:( Oh well.

As far as elemental scientific goes, I have dealt with them more when they were the other name. In fact my first chemical order EVER was placed through them in 1991!! Lets see: (2) 500ml bottles of Nitric and hydrochloric acids, 4 ounces of cupric chloride, four onces of zinc chloride, two ounces of cadmium chloride. I think thats it. As the years progressed into the late 1990's I could not fathom why they did not go online. Then in 2001-2002 they advertised on Popsci they had changed hands and I reordered there catalog. And not only do they have an internet presence but they added on may goodies the other name wouldn't! Last I looked they had potassium metal for $114 for four ounces but maybe there supply ran dry.




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[*] posted on 15-6-2008 at 10:14


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Though I think Bromic Acid is closer than I am, if anyone were to scope it out in person.


I was actually in Appleton a week or so ago, but the address on the site is a PO box so there is no brick and mortar store for me to head off to the next time I am in that town otherwise I would be all for checking it out.




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[*] posted on 16-6-2008 at 04:13


I just did an order with them last week. They'll probably receive the M.O. today. I've been trying to order a small amount of acetic anhydride from ever company on the web.(or so it seems)None will sell to an individual. I e-mailed them and asked if they sell to Individuals, and they replied yes. I was concerned because the catalog was last years(That might be why the I2 is still offered for sale) I hope the DEA or whoever has better ways to spend there time then tracking 4oz of acetic anhydride. (their welcome anyway to stop by for coffee.) I'll let you know whats up.
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[*] posted on 16-6-2008 at 10:08


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I just did an order with them last week. They'll probably receive the M.O. today. I've been trying to order a small amount of acetic anhydride from ever company on the web.(or so it seems)None will sell to an individual. I e-mailed them and asked if they sell to Individuals, and they replied yes. I was concerned because the catalog was last years(That might be why the I2 is still offered for sale) I hope the DEA or whoever has better ways to spend there time then tracking 4oz of acetic anhydride. (their welcome anyway to stop by for coffee.) I'll let you know whats up.


It really is a shame that we have to worry about this so much - but we do. The DEA is not interested in you unless you exceed the posted threshold or buy it with a very specific set of precursors. There are places to buy AA in larger quantities if you look hard enough.

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[*] posted on 16-6-2008 at 14:17


Being active on ebay, I am still seeing dozens of transactions involving iodine sales usually 250 grams or less. Thats the key, don't look like a meth cook and they won't treat you like one. Meanwhile, I am searching for that third world paradise like Suaron's where you buy chems willy nilly and don't pay hazmat fees!:o



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[*] posted on 16-6-2008 at 22:54


acetic anhydride is a Class A = List 1 chemical here in Canada.
What is funny Health Canada lists the threshold limit at 1000kg,
yet they say you still need a license for it if you phone them up about it.
Talk about being very dumb, they don't seem to know their own regulations.
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[*] posted on 16-6-2008 at 23:10


is this safe?

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[*] posted on 16-6-2008 at 23:16


Quote:
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acetic anhydride is a Class A = List 1 chemical here in Canada.


It is only List 2 in the USA.
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[*] posted on 17-6-2008 at 01:26


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Quote:
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acetic anhydride is a Class A = List 1 chemical here in Canada.


It is only List 2 in the USA.


I know that it is only List 2 for the USA
Was just pointing out that Class A here is = to List 1,
That's all.
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