Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: alternate mescaline synthesis
guaguanco
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 216
Registered: 26-11-2003
Member Is Offline

Mood: heterocyclic

[*] posted on 12-12-2003 at 11:15
alternate mescaline synthesis


I wished I had tried this back when I had my lab, since I actually had a small jar of 3,4,5 trimethoxybenzaldehyde and the other required reagents:

ArCHO + Ac2O/NaOAc -> Ar-CH:CH-COOH
ArCH:CH-COOH + NaBH4 -> Ar-CH2CH2COOH
Ar-CH2CH2COOH + NaN3/H2SO4 -> Ar-CH2CH2NH2

All steps are (or should be) high yield.
I've never seen this pathway discussed in the preparation of phenethylamines, and Shulgin could do a LiAlH4 reduction in his sleep, so he didn't need it.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
ziqquratu
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 385
Registered: 15-11-2002
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 12-12-2003 at 20:25


At first glance, and I may be wrong, but wouldn't the sodium borohydride preferentially reduce the carboxyl group? I dont have time nor inclination to check out (or try to remember) any of your other steps, so I don't know if they'd work...

Irrespective, you'd probably have better luck finding this at the Hive.

[Edited on 13-12-2003 by ziqquratu]
View user's profile View All Posts By User
unionised
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 5102
Registered: 1-11-2003
Location: UK
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 13-12-2003 at 03:47


It might not be the end of the world if it did preferentially reduce the carboxylic acid group. I'm fairly sure that you could turn the acid into an unsaturated ester, reduce that to the saturated alcohol with NaBH4 then oxidise it back to the saturated substituted propanoic acid.
A bit clumsy, but it might work.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
guaguanco
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 216
Registered: 26-11-2003
Member Is Offline

Mood: heterocyclic

[*] posted on 13-12-2003 at 12:58


Actually, carboxylic acids are surprising resistant to reduction. You'd have to first convert it to tha acid chloride if you wanted to cleanly reduce it to the aldehyde.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
unionised
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 5102
Registered: 1-11-2003
Location: UK
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 13-12-2003 at 16:16


Who mentioned the aldehyde?
Anyway, isolated double bonds are suprisingly resistant to reduction by NaBH4. Conjugated ones are a whole lot easier, but they can't be conjugated to a free acid, or it doesn't work.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
guaguanco
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 216
Registered: 26-11-2003
Member Is Offline

Mood: heterocyclic

[*] posted on 13-12-2003 at 18:18


Quote:
Originally posted by unionised



Who mentioned the aldehyde?

Anyway, isolated double bonds are suprisingly resistant to reduction by NaBH4. Conjugated ones are a whole lot easier, but they can't be conjugated to a free acid, or it doesn't work.




Well, it was implied in the previous posts...



Actually, I've found recipes for reduction of cinnamic acids to phenylpropionic acids on the web using NaBH4; another route would use catalytic hydrogenation using formate as a convenient hydrogen donor.



Quite amazingly, I just looked in my little box of chemical mementos from the old days and found a 25 gm bottle of 3,4,5 trimethoxybenzaldehyde !! I would never have believed I still had it.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Organikum
resurrected
*****




Posts: 2329
Registered: 12-10-2002
Location: Europe
Member Is Offline

Mood: busy and in love

[*] posted on 14-12-2003 at 13:33


I remember a electrosynthesis for this compound - posted at ADC......

If interested I dig it up, but I believe it is on Rhodiums page already also I am not sure if the version there is complete.

I also fear the reduction of the COOH not being so easy as we would like it to be - as I have promised somebody to search my archives for the carboxylic acid reduction I can post the results here.
So somebody cares.




Irgendwas is ja immer
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Darkfire
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 292
Registered: 3-1-2003
Location: California
Member Is Offline

Mood: Wondering

[*] posted on 14-12-2003 at 19:06


Mescaline seems to be must cheaper and easyer just to grow than to make,



\"I love being alive and will be the best man I possibly can. I will take love wherever I find it and offer it to everyone who will take it. I will seek knowledge from those wiser and teach those who wish to learn from me.\" Duane Allman
View user's profile View All Posts By User
unionised
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 5102
Registered: 1-11-2003
Location: UK
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 15-12-2003 at 15:57


For some strange reason the chemical "Nitromethane" has sprung into my mind.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
guaguanco
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 216
Registered: 26-11-2003
Member Is Offline

Mood: heterocyclic

[*] posted on 15-12-2003 at 15:59


Quote:
Originally posted by unionised
For some strange reason the chemical "Nitromethane" has sprung into my mind.

I have gone through my fair share of nitromethane in the past, but those days are long gone!
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top