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[*] posted on 13-12-2002 at 18:30


10fingers: The E&W forum works fine for me right now! Did you you email Mega at megalomania@scientificmind.com? His old address at hotmail is obsolete!
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[*] posted on 13-12-2002 at 18:54


I had similar problems for a while, but I just had a little patience and eventually it got fixed.



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[*] posted on 14-12-2002 at 04:35


I'm a bit angry at E&W. They keep ignoring the perfectly good thread here about DPPP. Mega now even posted a structure of DPPP on E&W which I posted here some time before that already....
Kay, it's assymetric, but still....




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[*] posted on 14-12-2002 at 08:06


Yea, I used Megas new address. Maybe he's just too busy fixing problems with the server to answer his e-mails. I'll wait awhile and try it again.

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[*] posted on 28-3-2003 at 21:05


Had anyone noticed anything strange with the E&W forum?
Recently seems like after trying to reach the forum it dosen't work.




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[*] posted on 29-3-2003 at 06:25


I always get a DNS error or explorer crashes when trying to reach E&W. I tried it from a different proxyserver and it didn't work either.

Somebody with another provider couldn't reach the site either.




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[*] posted on 29-3-2003 at 06:35


I have been having this same problem. I came here hoping to find out what happened to it. So, does anybody know? I have to say I am somewhat worried.
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[*] posted on 29-3-2003 at 13:53


I am having problems as well. It happened yesterday for a while and then it was ok and now it's fucked up again. It says that the site is just not there. I don't know what's gone wrong.
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[*] posted on 29-3-2003 at 19:03


I think it might be Mega simply updating the site. I remember a while back when they were doing some updating that exactly the same thing happend, as is happening now.

Could one of the mods from roguesci shed some light on this for us?




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[*] posted on 30-3-2003 at 13:10


i'm in the dark too at the moment. its probably mega doing some updating but i can't confirm because i've been offline for the past few days.
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[*] posted on 30-3-2003 at 16:19


This is all I get...

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Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195]
(C) Copyright 1985-1999 Microsoft Corp.

C:\>ping roguesci.org

Pinging roguesci.org [64.21.166.2] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 64.21.166.2: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=52
Reply from 64.21.166.2: bytes=32 time=100ms TTL=52
Reply from 64.21.166.2: bytes=32 time=100ms TTL=52
Reply from 64.21.166.2: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=52

Ping statistics for 64.21.166.2:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 90ms, Maximum = 100ms, Average = 95ms

C:\>nslookup 64.21.166.2
Server: cache1.ntli.net
Address: 194.168.4.100

*** cache1.ntli.net can't find 64.21.166.2: Server failed

C:\>tracert 64.21.166.2

Tracing route to 64.21.166.2 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 10.144.223.254
2 20 ms 10 ms 10 ms nott-t2cam1-b-pos88.inet.ntl.com [80.4.46.145]
3 30 ms 10 ms 10 ms not-t2core-b-ge-wan61.inet.ntl.com [80.1.79.185]

4 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms nth-bb-b-so-200-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.37]
5 10 ms 20 ms 11 ms nth-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.117]
6 10 ms 20 ms 10 ms gfd-bb-b-so-400-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.98]
7 21 ms 10 ms 20 ms tele-ic-2-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.74]

8 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms fa1-0.core1.ltn.nac.net [195.66.224.94]
9 90 ms 80 ms 90 ms 1209.at-3-1-0.gbr1.nyc.nac.net [209.123.11.241]

10 91 ms 90 ms 90 ms 1187.at-0-1-0.gbr1.oct.nac.net [209.123.11.150]

11 100 ms 91 ms 100 ms 0095.gi-1-1.msfc1.oct.nac.net [64.21.102.2]
12 90 ms 101 ms 90 ms fa0-0.core1.pwebtech.com [207.99.8.198]
13 90 ms 91 ms 90 ms 64.21.166.2

Trace complete.

04/01/03 12:52:57 ping roguesci.org
Ping roguesci.org (64.21.166.2) ...
1 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 100ms, TTL: 52
2 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 100ms, TTL: 52
3 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 90ms, TTL: 52
4 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 100ms, TTL: 52
5 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 90ms, TTL: 52
6 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 111ms, TTL: 52
7 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 80ms, TTL: 52
8 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 90ms, TTL: 52
9 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 90ms, TTL: 52
10 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 90ms, TTL: 52

04/01/03 12:53:18 dns roguesci.org
Canonical name: roguesci.org
Addresses:
64.21.166.2

whois -h whois.nic.gov roguesci.org ...
failed, couldn't connect to host: Connection refused (WSAECONNREFUSED)

Trying 64.21.166.2 at ARIN
Trying 64.21.166 at ARIN

OrgName: Net Access Corporation
OrgID: NAC
Address: 1719 STE RT 10E
Address: Suite 111
City: Parsippany
StateProv: NJ
PostalCode: 07054
Country: US

NetRange: 64.21.0.0 - 64.21.191.255
CIDR: 64.21.0.0/17, 64.21.128.0/18
NetName: NAC-NETBLK03
NetHandle: NET-64-21-0-0-1
Parent: NET-64-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.NAC.NET
NameServer: NS2.NAC.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
Comment:
Comment: * Reassignment information for this network is available
Comment: * available at whois.nac.net 43
RegDate: 1999-12-22
Updated: 2001-08-22

TechHandle: ZN77-ARIN
TechName: Net Access Corporation
TechPhone: +1-800-638-6336
TechEmail: legal@nac.net

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE156-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse Department
OrgAbusePhone: +1-800-638-6336
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@nac.net

OrgNOCHandle: NOC270-ARIN
OrgNOCName: Network Operations Center
OrgNOCPhone: +1-973-590-5050
OrgNOCEmail: network@nac.net

OrgTechHandle: ZN77-ARIN
OrgTechName: Net Access Corporation
OrgTechPhone: +1-800-638-6336
OrgTechEmail: legal@nac.net

OrgTechHandle: AR97-ARIN
OrgTechName: Rubenstein, Alex
OrgTechPhone: +1-973-590-5101
OrgTechEmail: alex@nac.net

04/01/03 12:54:41 Fast traceroute roguesci.org
Trace roguesci.org (64.21.166.2) ...
1 10.144.223.254 10ms 10ms 21ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS)
2 80.4.46.145 10ms 10ms 0ms TTL: 0 (nott-t2cam1-b-pos88.inet.ntl.com ok)
3 80.1.79.185 10ms 10ms 10ms TTL: 0 (not-t2core-b-ge-wan61.inet.ntl.com ok)
4 62.253.185.37 10ms 10ms 10ms TTL: 0 (nth-bb-b-so-200-0.inet.ntl.com ok)
5 62.253.185.117 10ms 10ms 10ms TTL: 0 (nth-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com ok)
6 62.253.185.98 30ms 30ms 10ms TTL: 0 (gfd-bb-b-so-400-0.inet.ntl.com ok)
7 62.253.185.74 20ms 20ms 21ms TTL: 0 (tele-ic-2-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com ok)
8 195.66.224.94 40ms 20ms 20ms TTL: 0 (fa1-0.core1.ltn.nac.net bogus rDNS: host not found [authoritative])
9 209.123.11.241 90ms 90ms 90ms TTL: 0 (1209.at-3-1-0.gbr1.nyc.nac.net fraudulent rDNS)
10 209.123.11.150 110ms 91ms 90ms TTL: 0 (1187.at-0-1-0.gbr1.oct.nac.net fraudulent rDNS)
11 64.21.102.2 90ms 90ms 80ms TTL: 0 (0095.gi-1-1.msfc1.oct.nac.net fraudulent rDNS)
12 207.99.8.198 100ms 90ms 100ms TTL: 0 (fa0-0.core1.pwebtech.com ok)
13 64.21.166.2 90ms 90ms 91ms TTL: 52 (No rDNS)

04/01/03 12:55:16 finger @roguesci.org
finger @roguesci.org (64.21.166.2) ...
failed, couldn't connect to host

Time roguesci.org (64.21.166.2) ...

Daytime (remote timezone): Connection failed

Time (local timezone): Connection failed

SNTP Response DD/MM/YYYY HH:MM:SS.MS
Client Originate Date was 01/01/1900, 00:00:00.000
Server Receive Date was 01/01/1900, 00:00:00.000
Server Transmit Date was 01/01/1900, 00:00:00.000
Client Destination Date was 01/04/2003, 20:55:36.517
Round trip delay was 3258219336.517000 seconds
Local clock offset was -1629109668.258500 seconds

04/01/03 12:55:56 Browsing http://roguesci.org/
Fetching http://roguesci.org/ ...
GET / HTTP/1.1

Host: roguesci.org

Connection: close

HTTP/1.1 200 OK

Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:27:53 GMT

Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.11 OpenSSL/0.9.6g FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 PHP/4.1.2 mod_throttle/3.1.2

Last-Modified: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 21:29:10 GMT

ETag: "270076-5f79-3e666c26"

Accept-Ranges: bytes

Content-Length: 24441

Content-Type: text/html

Age: 66417

Connection: close

04/01/03 12:56:23 Blackhole check roguesci.org
Canonical name: roguesci.org
Addresses:
64.21.166.2 is not in the MAPS realtime blackhole list (rbl.maps.vix.com)

64.21.166.2 is not in the MAPS dialup user list (dul.maps.vix.com)

64.21.166.2 is not in the radparker relayed spam system (relays.mail-abuse.org)



Playful enough? :)

[Edited on 1-4-2003 by Eliteforum]




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[*] posted on 12-1-2004 at 19:30


Maybe people are simply bored of the forum. Personaly, I like this forum much more. In the E&W it seems as though the same people are the only ones posting. Maybe this is due to the ammount of people they ban there. Without a flow of new members bringing new ideas a forum will get dull.



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[*] posted on 11-11-2005 at 19:10
It really does seem to stagnate... !


For the last 6 months or so!
I wonder why.
In fact, some member of roguesci wrote a thread on this, see this.

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It's also a fact that no longer is all the best discussion on roguesci. People have migrated for whatever reason to SM for chemistry/novel energetics and to APC for pyrotechnics where the level of discussion is very high, and motivation innocent. Any discussion of criminal activity will be shot down on these forums as kewl, here for some reason its glorified, I would think this would drive away many mature members interested only with hobbiest E&W.

well well well!
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As for the discussion about me, talk all you want. At the end of the day, I'm the one with his finger on the kill switch, and ain't nothing going to change that, so all such discussion is moot.

There's only one who would write this :P

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Discussion or not, The Explosives and Weapons Forum remains a vast treasure trove of information going back 6 years now, and 8 years for my website. We have outlasted the rest and remained the best. We set the standards in the industry.


By the very megalomania(c) himself!


Anyway - it really does stagnate. Thirty active threads since October the fifth :o

Sometimes I wonder whether that could happen here too - and give it another 100 years of postmaking, I think it *could* happen here too :P

But seriously - obviously we are accumulating a lot of knowledge here. Day by day. One day there isn't that much anymore to add, as all's been covered already - leading to stagnation, as with E&W.

Except I am more optimistic in this case than EW, because we don't have (need) harsh banning policies, plus everyday problems/questions will never cease to pop up.
What do you think?


Edit: This was in the first post by Polverone:
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I am reminded of the more general problem faced by any intelligent and aspiring individual in this day and age: to make a name for yourself, to discover something interesting, you not only have to make use of everything that your forebears discovered, but you have to find something noteworthy that the long line of intellectual explorers preceding you MISSED. You can't just match them. The world doesn't need a third discoverer of calculus. Newton and Leibnitz will forever get the credit, whether or not you come up with their principles on your own. You have to be beyond Newton and Leibnitz to be a math genius. You have to be better than Davy, Pasteur, Liebig, and Lavoisier to be a giant of chemistry. But let's not kid ourselves. Very few of the researchers currently publishing are the modern equivalent of Berzelius. The only reason they are able to publish anything is that they keep plumbing the depths of minutiae. They end up writing articles like "Significant Enhancement of Electron Transfer Reduction of NAD+ Analogues by Complexation with Scandium Ion and the Detection of the Radical Intermediate-Scandium Ion Complex." If you'd been born half a dozen generations earlier you might be the DISCOVERER of scandium, and have at least a chance of later generations remembering you. But the earlier generations grabbed all the glory and you're left picking through the crumbs until a new frontier opens up. We have the richest selection of refined knowledge and the poorest selection of new areas for exploration at any time in history - "we" in my definition including everybody who has an interest in chemistry but but less than a six-figure budget and no desire to join the Annals of Irrelevance writing about the mechanism of yet another obscure reaction.

This couldnt be more true. All the low-hanging fruits in science have been picked. That's why we, the scientists (I am an aspiring one) discover that most has been done already, and we are discovering minutiae. General principles have all been found. Somewhat discouraging. That's why I often think, biochemistry (another frontier next to theoretical physics) is reduced to 'stamp collecting' - the general principles are known, the methodologies are all established, now we have to use those methodologies to understand the biochemistry of the living. And we already do, by and large. But there won't be a Jim Watson, or a Louis Pasteur, or an Ian Fleming anytime soon. Too much is known already. Should I get out of science? Hell, it doesnt even pay for all that hard work :(
But that's beside the topic. Forgive my wandering.

[Edited on 12-11-2005 by chemoleo]




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[*] posted on 11-11-2005 at 20:51


I found it hilarious to find you logged onto the E&W forum a few minutes after I read this.

I personally don't care if I make some giant discovery, I'm more interested in doing something I enjoy. Whether I will enjoy working in a research lab and spending large amounts of time writing about why I should get money has yet to be seen, if not I'll just keep it as a hobby.
Or I will take over the world and will be remembered for thousands of years!! [Evil genious laugh]
But that's getting off topic......
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[*] posted on 11-11-2005 at 23:34


I don't think one should give up on science and engineering - unless you are just in it for the money. I learned pretty early that I was not going to "set the house on fire" in my field. But I got a lot of satisfaction increasing efficiency and solving problems unique to the plants I was working in. My field is chemical engineering but one of my most satisfying solutions involved a complex maintenance sequence that the mechanical maintenance staff could not resolve. Unresolved it would have quickly shut down the plant.



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[*] posted on 11-11-2005 at 23:55


I am not going to stop anytime soon...I know that science, although likely the most important thing in the progress of mankind, can pay so little compared to useless professions such as professional sports or the idiots in hollywood, but still I am going for a chemisry degree currently and plan to go for PHD eventually. I may not make earth shattering discoveries, nor make a huge affect upon mankind, nor the big bucks, but damn it, I love this stuff!

My personal reason for stopping posting on E&W was just not liking it as a site which could be found in my history files due to not the explosives content, but to the other crime related material.

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[*] posted on 13-11-2005 at 19:08


I believe process of E&W forum's losing ground started after a hosting glitch and resultant closing down of the forum for a while. After that there rose some doubts about the ID of Mega and many mods and senior members left the forum out of suspicion.

Apart from driving the senior and most productive members from the forum due to political differences and attempted hush ups by a certain mod, the final blow came from (as I belive) the administration itself:

The last move done by the administration is banning of certain IP ranges since they do not like the tone and opinions of the members attending from the banned IP ranges.
I don't want to accuse anybody but this most probably results from the intent to hush up certain members who are opponent to Bush the Pedocide, aka Oil Mugger, otherwise cannot be banned since they are quite productive and mostly obedient to the (even harsh) rules.

I suspect this is the case since no explicit explanation has been made by the administration regarding this issue as I can see by attending the E&W forum whenever I manage through the proxies. Regards.

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[*] posted on 14-11-2005 at 13:43


Not being able to access the site is one of the main reasons I don't really visit there very often now... It's a fair hassle to find a working proxy each time and they always seem to stop working before long. Also, I haven't been doing much experimenting in many months, and the rare thing I have been doing has been more appropriate for posting here.

The thing is... I was under the impression that it was my access to the site being blocked by my IP, not that an IP range including mine was being blocked by the site! I confess, I don't fully understand the workings of these things so I'll have to ask - how is it possible to tell which is the case?
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[*] posted on 21-11-2005 at 13:45


rogue chemist

Will the Explosives section of your site be avalible again?
I haven't got a copy of all synthesises there yet. Do you have them downloadable anywhere? It would be grate to have them all in a rar file or something.

I liked your site a lot!

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[*] posted on 21-11-2005 at 16:50


Eh? This is the second time this has happened... I am NOT Megalomania I have like 2-5 posts in roguesci and that is it...

My screen name is getting associated with roguesci way to much....




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[*] posted on 21-11-2005 at 22:58


"There was a time when some people thought that there were no more good ideas to be had. In fact, Charles H. Duell, commissioner of the U.S. patent office, said in 1899 that the government might as well close down the patent office: "Everything that can be invented has been invented," he said. "

(http://www.fbrsystem.com/families/article-9.html)

I realize that this may very well be an urban legend, but it still makes a point. We don't know everything, guys! In all probability very very few people, if anyone, from the sciencemadness discussion board will discover something earthshaking. Does that mean we should stop trying? Perhaps science is harder for us, but that's tough luck. Besides, I bet the scientists of 100 years ago would have rather lived today than 100 years ago. They might think we had it rather easy. :)

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biggrin.gif posted on 22-11-2005 at 00:17


Sorry for that, Rogue Cemist:D

Does anyone know why the domain roguesci.org isn't accessible?

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[*] posted on 22-11-2005 at 15:15


A lot of ISPs have aparently banned access. The domain itself is blocking access to other domain blocks but if you use a proxy based in the US you will probably get through. Megalomania and most of the other mods/admins have taken a leave of absense from the board, mostly without telling anyone anything and next to nobody is posting. I think we can say its in something of a lull.
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[*] posted on 22-11-2005 at 17:10


The admins are gone? That doesn't sound very promising.

Maybe someone should try making a complete backup of the board in case it goes down in the future? With the admins gone, this seems like it would be a little more likely.

I can take a crack at it if everyone thinks it's a good idea.
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