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[*] posted on 27-10-2009 at 16:46
cant be real


http://www.hottdealss.com/Red%20phosphorus.html

is this foreal?
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[*] posted on 27-10-2009 at 17:20


Well they are located in Lithuania. I think I have seen some of their products on Ebay

RP is legal in Europe IIRC, but don't try and get it shipped to North America!!!
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[*] posted on 27-10-2009 at 22:35


Even so, RP ordering was the main reason for which lots of european houses (Germany, GB) were raided.

It looks like a sting to me.
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[*] posted on 27-10-2009 at 23:48


It is real. This guy also is active on eBay, some time ago I posted a message in Whimsy about sexy iodine. His price for red P is insanely high, just 20 grams for such a high price! His price for iodine also is on the high side, but not excessively high. Probably he has such a high price for red P because he knows how hard this is to obtain for most people.

The raiding of houses in Germany was not primarily because of ordering of red P. Most of the raided people (probably even more than 95% of them) did not have any red P. They were raided because of ordering oxidizers like HNO3, KNO3, H2O2 or because of ordering GBL. Some people were even raided while they only ordered 1 liter of 30% H2O2 and 1 liter of 65% HNO3.




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[*] posted on 28-10-2009 at 05:29


Where does that chap in Lithuania get his bulk supplies of red P and I from? Does he make the stuff himself, e.g. by reducing phosphates or P2O5, and by electrolysis of a molten iodide?

I wonder if those Pigs in Germany who raided the houses of innocent people who bought chemicals, mostly oxidizers, were the children or grandchildren of Gestapo agents from the Nazi era. It sounds like their sort of work.

[Edited on 28-10-09 by JohnWW]
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[*] posted on 28-10-2009 at 05:50


Wow, you brought Nazis into this. Godwin's Law
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[*] posted on 28-10-2009 at 06:32


The guy is for real! He does sell the stuff, you buy and ship it at your own peril!

The Soviet Union had a massive science industry IMO (and only that) some of the supplies coming out of Poland, Lithuania and Latvia may possibly be coming over the Russian border for harder currency.
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[*] posted on 28-10-2009 at 06:42


Quote: Originally posted by JohnWW  
I wonder if those Pigs in Germany who raided the houses of innocent people who bought chemicals, mostly oxidizers, were the children or grandchildren of Gestapo agents from the Nazi era. It sounds like their sort of work.

My browser blocked that site, but I think it's the one with those 'terrible' porn girls: I still resisted the tempation to 'override', however.
Netporn.nl is safer anyway. . .
Sometimes John, you go over the top with the anti-cop stuff and I love it because I'm not a fan of LE either.
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[*] posted on 28-10-2009 at 06:52


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I was taught that these sorts of things are usually irreversibly progressive, even with treatment.:D
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[*] posted on 28-10-2009 at 07:10


Even better. . .
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[*] posted on 28-10-2009 at 10:58


Quote: Originally posted by JohnWW  
Where does that chap in Lithuania get his bulk supplies of red P and I from? Does he make the stuff himself, e.g. by reducing phosphates or P2O5, and by electrolysis of a molten iodide?


My guess is he just buys it.It may sound unbelievable but chemicals arent really that controlled in east block countries.Of course there are laws and stuff, but in real life, for example russia - everything is over the counter.

And when i say everything i mean everything:D You can buy 300 000 volt tazer for 15€, half liter bottle of quality vodka is 3 €.GP-5 gas mask are 5,5 € per piece with new filter.As for chemicals , pharmacies will sell you anything from viagra to distilled water.
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[*] posted on 28-10-2009 at 11:46


Indeed, when you're so used to something being a certain way, it's hard to imagine a place where it's free-er.
Still not going to the site, though :P




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[*] posted on 28-10-2009 at 13:01


Quote: Originally posted by JohnWW  
Where does that chap in Lithuania get his bulk supplies of red P and I from? Does he make the stuff himself, e.g. by reducing phosphates or P2O5, and by electrolysis of a molten iodide?

I wonder if those Pigs in Germany who raided the houses of innocent people who bought chemicals, mostly oxidizers, were the children or grandchildren of Gestapo agents from the Nazi era. It sounds like their sort of work.

[Edited on 28-10-09 by JohnWW]

Iodine is not a problem at all in the EU. I have quite a few sources for iodine where I live. The only problem with iodine is that it is fairly expensive, but otherwise it is not really special for me. If I need more and I am willing to spend the money, then I just order it, no hassle, no paperwork.
Red P is another matter. I still have a source for this, but things are getting harder on this. Two of my three sources for red P have disappeared in the last two years. So, I value my red P more and more. I still have well over 200 grams and I am happy with that.

[Edited on 28-10-09 by woelen]




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[*] posted on 28-10-2009 at 14:38


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Wow, you brought Nazis into this. Godwin's Law


I wouldn't apply this 'law' here. I mean, what else can you say about a people who's government raids their citizens' homes for purchasing potassium nitrate (short of there being other substantial evidence of an illicit use)?
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[*] posted on 28-10-2009 at 15:41


Perhaps John feels that in his case anti-Godwin's Law applies. He who mentions Nazi's first wins. :D



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[*] posted on 28-10-2009 at 19:47


Quote: Originally posted by entropy51  
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I was taught that these sorts of things are usually irreversibly progressive, even with treatment.:D


Are you sure some butyl lithium won't even deprotonate him?

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[*] posted on 29-10-2009 at 08:05


Uh, Firefox calls this a reported attack site with scripting exploits and trojans....
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[*] posted on 29-10-2009 at 08:11


jesus 67 dollars for half a litre of H2SO4.... u would ave to be insane to buy that..
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[*] posted on 31-10-2009 at 06:33


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Are you sure some butyl lithium won't even deprotonate him?

Tim


You're going to have to face it , he's resistant to base :D:P

Sorry, I just couldn't resist it.
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[*] posted on 31-10-2009 at 22:37


Quote: Originally posted by hectic  
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Wow, you brought Nazis into this. Godwin's Law


I wouldn't apply this 'law' here. I mean, what else can you say about a people who's government raids their citizens' homes for purchasing potassium nitrate (short of there being other substantial evidence of an illicit use)?


I wouldnt take bets on what constitutes probable cause in the "land of the free" for that matter.
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[*] posted on 1-11-2009 at 19:58


Quote: Originally posted by hectic  
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Wow, you brought Nazis into this. Godwin's Law


I wouldn't apply this 'law' here. I mean, what else can you say about a people who's government raids their citizens' homes for purchasing potassium nitrate (short of there being other substantial evidence of an illicit use)?


Doesn't matter if it's applicable. Godwin's law.

http://xkcd.com/261/

History profs probably have a hard time with it too.

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[*] posted on 2-11-2009 at 07:09


Quote: Originally posted by hectic  
I wouldn't apply this 'law' here. I mean, what else can you say about a people who's government raids their citizens' homes for purchasing potassium nitrate (short of there being other substantial evidence of an illicit use)?
You can reference the regime of King George III, whose abuses in the American colonies were more-or-less directly responsible for the United States Fourth Amendment, prohibiting search without warrant issued from probable cause.
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[*] posted on 24-11-2010 at 02:46




I'll have to research this Godwin's law. I found some examples where you would least expect.
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[*] posted on 24-11-2010 at 14:48


Not only are Einstein critics called cranks and crackpots, but they are often called Nazis, too. Godwin's law! See page 1 column 1 of this article. http://www.4shared.com/get/3QDYXfow/AmJPhys1988-p413-415.htm...
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[*] posted on 25-11-2010 at 05:55


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Where does that chap in Lithuania get his bulk supplies of red P and I from?

Likely a Lithuanian comany in order to avoid import fees, taxes, duties etc. (which can be a complete joke for many upstart and home businesses.

I know i've saidthis before, but when I was 15 I ordered 50kg of phosphorus from coasty.com for a few hundred bucks, and they even drove it to me because I didn't have a license I imagine a third world country would be even more accomodating and helpful. Afghanis probably deliver opium by camelback. Heh.

Shit, we've got it pretty easy here in the west, so why do we complain so much? I guess some people just can't help but to piss their lives away, not realizing all the opportunities there really are in the world.

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