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entropy51
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Quote: Originally posted by len1  | | The sad truth is, if you made anything, be it drug related, be it bomb related, just anything, having it reality related would already make it above
par on this forum |
I thought the purpose of this forum was to get free references. That seems to be where
the activity is.
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Chemrock
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Very interesting response by the board.
All I can add is that "curious minds have a need to know"
With over 400 anonymous views I would say that this topic was of a great interest to a lot of curious minds.
Thanks to all who contributed.
"Better living through chemistry"
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entropy51
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| Quote: Originally posted by Chemrock |
With over 400 anonymous views I would say that this topic was of a great interest to a lot of curious minds. |
You deserve an attaboy! Give yourself a big pat on the back.
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The way I feel, I think if someone develops a drug problem or becomes an addict, it may have been his/her karma. If you prevented them from following
their spiritual path then he/she might have to come back to live this type of lifestyle in their next life. People with drug and alcohol problems
usually have to mature out of it before they can stay sober. I've known a lot of people like this, who had substance abuse problems, but later quit
and avoided it completely for then on. We're all addicted to oil (petroleum) and most people are in denial about it.
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In a forum full of people with scientific minds you will have a better chance convincing them that drugs are not that bad then you will convincing
them they will be reborn in a next life due to there Karmic influences.
Knowledge is useless to useless people...
"I see a lot of patterns in our behavior as a nation that parallel a lot of other historical processes. The fall of Rome, the fall of Germany — the
fall of the ruling country, the people who think they can do whatever they want without anybody else's consent. I've seen this story
before."~Maynard James Keenan
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Vogelzang
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I know a number of people with science degrees that have religious and/or spiritual beliefs.
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Sedit
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Dont make it right thought.
Knowledge is useless to useless people...
"I see a lot of patterns in our behavior as a nation that parallel a lot of other historical processes. The fall of Rome, the fall of Germany — the
fall of the ruling country, the people who think they can do whatever they want without anybody else's consent. I've seen this story
before."~Maynard James Keenan
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len1
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| Quote: Originally posted by entropy51 | | Quote: Originally posted by len1 | | The sad truth is, if you made anything, be it drug related, be it bomb related, just anything, having it reality related would already make it above
par on this forum |
I thought the purpose of this forum was to get free references. That seems to be where
the activity is. |
Which immediately leads to the question why is there so much activity in asking and posting references, when there is so little actually being done.
My answer is that for many people this is a form of socializing. That explains many of the observation ive made before and the reactions to them.
[Edited on 8-1-2010 by len1]
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sonogashira
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Len, I don't see what is your concern. Over the years I have spoken with others in u2u, email etc. of the details of certain experiments... done some
bad (due to lack of equipment) experiments of my own, given and received chemicals from other people for my/their experiments... but never once put
any details of things I have done... because - quite honestly - it was nothing new, or clever, or worthwhile to share... just repeating experiments
that have been written and presented in much nicer form in the journal references (which are still reports of people doing chemistry, after all!).
The pleasure I (and I'm sure others) get just from crystallizing copper sulfate, or bismuth (Many times, and many shapes! )... or making simple esters which smell nice, or plastics in unimpressive powder
form, is not necessarily interesting to others - yet still it is done, and not mentioned.
I can't imagine that people who have been here for years - who buy chemicals from whatever source - and ask for references on obscure reactions do it
solely to socialize(!) - it is a very quite forum; and if that is the fact then they are in the wrong place!
For me it is sometimes enough to read of other (amateur or professional!) peoples interesting chemistry, and I think there is nothing wrong with that.
Not everyone has the equipment or money to do impressive things... but dreaming costs nothing!
I wish it did not bother you so much Len... if the forum is a place to ask and to give help then that is enough I feel. Often I find that some of the
help given here is better than what I could get at my university, so why not ask for help because it is all in the spirit of helping others towards
the scientific endeavor, if it is reported here or to help someone who will later write a published paper - it is no matter!
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| Quote: Originally posted by len1 | | Which immediately leads to the question why is there so much activity in asking and posting references, when there is so little actually being done.
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One reason imay be that motivated newbies get immediately chased away by the local Taleban which disapproves of the subject or the lingo (c.f. this
thread). What you end up with is a bunch of inbreeds patting themselves on the back for having superior goals. Which is of course just another type of
being "kewl".
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Crystalising copper sulphate, maybe. But havent seen references posted on that. With something just a bit more complicated it will soon be pretty
obvious if youre doing it, because few things work straight away, esp as you say with bad equipment, and people ask for help describing what they did.
There are plenty of examples of that in the past, see eg hydrazine thread. But that sort of thing's dried up now
Of course if they are cooking they are less likely to post .. but even then lots of 'swim' remarks abound.
Not to take it to hard? Should I get that noose of my neck then and climb down from the chair?
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| Quote: Originally posted by turd |
One reason imay be that motivated newbies get immediately chased away by the local Taleban which disapproves of the subject or the lingo (c.f. this
thread). What you end up with is a bunch of inbreeds patting themselves on the back for having superior goals. Which is of course just another type of
being "kewl". |
Well said, well said...
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| Quote: Originally posted by len1 | | Not to take it to hard? Should I get that noose of my neck then and climb down from the chair? |
Yes, step down Sir!  There are many more things to worry about... like people
drinking industrial solvents! It is Friday night and this solvent-drinking is becoming an epidemic from what I can tell 
Edit: And crystallizing bismuth is much more fun! I feel inspired to post some of my results now, but have this as a teaser 
http://www.amazingrust.com/Experiments/how_to/Bismuth_Crysta...
and... http://www.bismuthcrystal.com/week.html
[Edited on 8-1-2010 by sonogashira]
[Edited on 9-1-2010 by sonogashira]
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entropy51
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| Quote: Originally posted by turd | | One reason imay be that motivated newbies get immediately chased away by the local Taleban (sic) which disapproves of the subject or
the lingo (c.f. this thread). |
As always, Mr Turd has it arse backwards. The Taliban love drugs.
That's the major source of their income! According to the NY Times the Taliban earned $ 300 million from the opium trade last year alone. Mr Turd should educate himself about where the money spent on
illegal drugs goes. Then he wouldn't appear so dumb when he compares people who are against illegal drugs to the Taleban (sic).
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Entropy, I respect you as a chemist and in the past you have contributed useful information to this forum but as of late your posts have turned
decidedly judgmental and unproductive. Recently you haven't made a single post relating to chemistry, rather you attack anyone and everyone you even
suspect of thinking about considering ordering a precursor to a watched chemical. I also disapprove of discussion by individuals who are clearly only
interested in synthesizing drugs for profit or other sinister but that doesn't mean I berate them at every opportunity.
You are a bully, and quite frankly an asshole who seems to get pleasure from one or two sentence rebuttals insulting new members. In the future why
don't you just keep your thoughts to yourself?
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| Quote: | | Mr Turd should educate himself |
It fear it is you who is in dire need of some education.
1) On the ambiguous romanization and transcription of arabic
2) On reasoning by analogy. Apparently your intrusive thoughts concerning "illegal drugs" hamper your capability of abstraction.
3) Logical thinking. If it bothers you that drug money is going to the mafia, then you should support domestic made psychoactives. Every self-made g
of speed is one g less for the mafia. Furthermore so far I didn't see you arguing pro-legalization. If I wasn't certain that you have OCD, I would
believe that you are invested in "the business".
4) On the art of civilized discussion. Calling people "dumb" etc... does not make you "win" the argument. And a real discussion is not about being
right anyway, but about sharing ideas.
My last post in this subthread. My best wishes to you, may you beat your demons one day. Good night. 
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Follow up on equipment
If anyone decides to order a distillation kit from United Glass Tech make sure to order a set of metal joint clamps ( not cheap at $45 for set of 5 )
because the green plastic ones that come in the kit are only temperature rated up to 140 Deg C. To attain proper distillation temps one will need to
attain vapor temps in the column in excess of 200 Deg C. The metal clamps are rated up to 350 Deg C.
Also I don't recommend buying their clear 3/8 ID tubing because at $2.50/ft thats more expensive than 20 feet for $12.50 from Home Depot.
"Better living through chemistry"
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Bravo Sir!
| Quote: Originally posted by crazyboy | Entropy, I respect you as a chemist and in the past you have contributed useful information to this forum but as of late your posts have turned
decidedly judgmental and unproductive. Recently you haven't made a single post relating to chemistry, rather you attack anyone and everyone you even
suspect of thinking about considering ordering a precursor to a watched chemical. I also disapprove of discussion by individuals who are clearly only
interested in synthesizing drugs for profit or other sinister but that doesn't mean I berate them at every opportunity.
You are a bully, and quite frankly an asshole who seems to get pleasure from one or two sentence rebuttals insulting new members. In the future why
don't you just keep your thoughts to yourself?
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I registered solely to agree with you, sir. This person of whom you speak does, in fact, appear to be a bully and an asshole, who attacks merely to
attack. If the statement held no truth he wouldn't have made more than one or two posts here on a thread he adamantly disapproves of.
My hats off to you Crazyboy, for telling it how it is.
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| Quote: Originally posted by mofookin | | Quote: Originally posted by crazyboy | Entropy, I respect you as a chemist and in the past you have contributed useful information to this forum but as of late your posts have turned
decidedly judgmental and unproductive. Recently you haven't made a single post relating to chemistry, rather you attack anyone and everyone you even
suspect of thinking about considering ordering a precursor to a watched chemical. I also disapprove of discussion by individuals who are clearly only
interested in synthesizing drugs for profit or other sinister but that doesn't mean I berate them at every opportunity.
You are a bully, and quite frankly an asshole who seems to get pleasure from one or two sentence rebuttals insulting new members. In the future why
don't you just keep your thoughts to yourself?
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I registered solely to agree with you, sir. This person of whom you speak does, in fact, appear to be a bully and an asshole, who attacks merely to
attack. If the statement held no truth he wouldn't have made more than one or two posts here on a thread he adamantly disapproves of.
My hats off to you Crazyboy, for telling it how it is.
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You resurrected an 8 year old forum thread to agree with a long gone cook and then bash one of the more
respected, and now sadly dead, member(s) here with your first post? Really, what the hell are you thinking. There is a glaring reason we kick cooks
off of the forum: If they get arrested, they will try and blame this very forum for their crimes. We are on the margins more than any other academic
group I can think of. Never mind how badly maligned and marginalized amateur chemistry still is. Never mind how many lives have been lost to illicit
drug trade. Never mind the fact that this forum is the last refuge of the lone chemist either. Get a hint, Entropy was here long enough to see the
same type of stupid behavior over and over again:What the hell do you expect? Him to support the very plague on our community?
" the Modern Chemist is inundated with literature"-Unknown
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omg I am sorry I didn't know the history or date of the last post. my apologies. Alas, he did appear to pick on the man. Much like you are picking
on me. for whatever reason. I do respect the dead though and am sorry I made the post now. has nothing to do with your ire, that I could give a shit
about.
PS I'm neither a cook nor amateur chemist, I just like to read interesting stuff.
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