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BromicAcid
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Chemicals Used for Illegal Purposes
Ran across this book today on Amazon:
Chemicals Used for Illegal Purposes - Author - Robert Turkington
I haven't seen this book mentioned on this forum. My initial impression from the outline that Amazon gives is that this is yet another indiscriminate
book that serves to vilify a chemist by making every chemical out there seem to be involved in making up something bad. And to some extent that is,
but when you look at the pages it comes across as more of a primer on all the wrong you can do with chemicals and how to go about doing it. Some
things are fairly detailed, and although the stated purpose of the book is to do good I think it has a much greater potential for exactly what it
claims to aid in stopping.
Simultaneously upsetting and interesting.
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Perhaps someone should write the thousand-volume-set called "Some chemicals used for legal purposes". I say "some" because just a thousand books
wouldn't cover all the possibilities in any detail.
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Formatik
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It looks like bananas have made it onto the precursor list. The supposedly psychoactive properties of banana constituents have been declared a hoax.
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I find it a useful book for directing environmental investigations on certain kinds of properties. For example the evolution of methamphetamine
manufacture techniques has gone from high environmental risk to low to moderate in the last ten years. The other good side to the book is it includes
so many common chemicals that it sort of underlines the absurdity of limiting access to them through regulatory means. Like making dihydrogen oxide
illegal..
It's shame it was posted on rapid-share. A really greedy liability conscious server that limits access severely except to the idiots that pay every
month. No matter to me this time, I expensed the book and got it from Amazon for not very much .. less than a years subscription to (not very)
rapidshare.
[Edited on 11-4-2010 by chemrox]
"When you let the dumbasses vote you end up with populism followed by autocracy and getting back is a bitch." Plato (sort of)
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Quote: Originally posted by chemrox  |
It's shame it was posted on rapid-share. A really greedy liability conscious server that limits access severely except to the idiots that pay every
month. No matter to me this time, I expensed the book and got it from Amazon for not very much .. less than a years subscription to (not very)
rapidshare. |
A careful search on Google failed to disclose the existence of any free download of the above book as an ebook, whether on Rapidshare.com or Torrent
or anywhere else.
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Formatik
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The book also starts out with the same misinformation on Astrolite that one finds in the kewl books.
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I have been doing the same search John did and nothing so far. I did find this page (Link below) and out of curiosity read some of the files. I did
not know I now have to include my Mg turnings in the list. If three or more is somehow proof I am screwed I imagine. The damn lists are getting so big
three or more not on the list is getting hard to find.
http://www.pdfgeni.com/book/chemicals-used-for-illegal-purpo...
Is this nearing the end of legit home chemistry sans fear and persecution?
Side note I will never buy a book that expensive for such a small use I would receive so please give the "non kewl" astrolite info. Kewl sources are
all I have ever found on the subject.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" Richard Feynman
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Formatik
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| Quote: Originally posted by IrC | | Side note I will never buy a book that expensive for such a small use I would receive so please give the "non kewl" astrolite info. Kewl sources are
all I have ever found on the subject. |
Plenty has been discovered on the performance of the Astrolites. One of the inventors, Gerald L. Hurst, has written about them on Usenet. There are
also number of patents detailing performance. Though it's up there, the point is the material isn't the most powerful as has been claimed.
[Edited on 15-4-2010 by Formatik]
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"Though it's up there, the point is the material isn't the most powerful as has been claimed."
I had always thought that. IIRC Cubane is the most powerful (chemically speaking of course)?
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" Richard Feynman
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Formatik
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I doubt it's octanitrocubane. There are compounds and mixtures with similar power and so it becomes difficult which one is the strongest. It could be
ozobenzene. But "power" refers mainly to the lead block test, which test has fallen into disuse for the most part. A material may fare better in this
test though, than it may actually be brisant (more thermal as opposed to shattering effect).
[Edited on 16-4-2010 by Formatik]
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@ BromicAcid :
I think this is important enough to try to find a copy and see what it's agenda is via reading the entire piece. However I really don't want to give
the SOB any $ for a work that is chemophobic propaganda! I suggest each of us attempt to (continue) to find it and read it, in it's entire
length....then comment once we see where it's (so far obviously) going.
I'd bet it is what it is but I won't judge it by it's cover (not easily). Maybe it will hit the thread "Worst Books Ever Written"....
[Edited on 17-4-2010 by quicksilver]
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The premise of the book is supposedly to inform otherwise clueless
police personnel of apparently suspicious forensic evidence of unlawful
activity. little more than a shopping list of presursors here is a sampling
of what it has listed in the category of explosives ( for drugs it's similar )
NQ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Nitroform -
Guanidine. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 99 % HNO3
98 % H2SO4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 99 % Isopropanol
70 % HNO3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dichloromethane
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . CaCl2
NU. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- CH3NO2 -
Urea + 70 % HNO3 . . . . . . . . NaNO2
=> Urea Nitrate . . . . . . . . . . . .Monochloroacetic acid
+ 80 % H2SO4. . . . . . . . . . . . .NaOH
RDX . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . AgN
Hexamine. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .AgO + NH3
99 % HNO3
NaNO2
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It's easy enough to get the premise, if you have an amazon account you can look inside and search around for things, it seems to have a bit of
everything.
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| Quote: Originally posted by BromicAcid | | It's easy enough to get the premise, if you have an amazon account you can look inside and search around for things, it seems to have a bit of
everything. |
Tried for hours to capture some of it to post here as the more I read the greater my concern. They have done something with software to disable screen
capture and taking a pic closeup does not work with my plasma screen, moire patterns wipe out the view. So I will just do the work to type out some of
the mindset this guy is building for LEO about people like us. Looking at the chem list it is nothing more than a copy and paste of a list you would
find at any supply house meaning every chemical known to man is listed. In effect telling LEO no matter what chemicals you have guess what, your on
the list! He keeps repeating the term "mad chemist". The term is clearly and repeatedly used in a negative light to indicate anyone with chemicals or
a lab setup in the home is somehow criminally inclined or in need of demonization in general. By this I mean the intent is clear from his text, anyone
doing home chemistry is a "mad chemist" and he does not mean this in a good way. Clear and simple his book is an attack against home experimentation
whether for good or for evil, to him and his LEO audience it is all evil period.
Also the quote he gives about astrolite being the most powerful non nuclear explosive is an exact copy of an old book I got years ago from Loompanics.
This tells me his entire book is nothing but a collection of snippets from every "anarchist cookbook" you have ever read. A hundred bucks for a book
Loompanics would have been hesitant to charge over $7.95 for from the overall quality. If LEO is using this book as a guide then I suggest we and our
entire way of being is now being taught as criminal activity as the rule not the exception.
Here are two paragraphs I typed by hand reading his book in the Amazon preview:
"In a diverse, affluent, and educated society, with unlimited access to the Internet and relatively uncensored literature, it is not surprising to
find that some people will use this information to try to make unavailable or illegal compounds in their own homes. Often, these chemicals are being
manufactured: for sale (illegal drugs), for curiosity (chemical weapons) by "mad chemists", or for political reasons (explosives)."
"For example, making root beer is included in hobbies since chemicals used in its manufacture might be used to make Ecstasy. Model Rocketry is
included because it uses chemicals which might be used to make fireworks or explosives. Photography is included because it includes the use of many
exotic and hazardous chemicals. This book will not be of much use when encountering a "mad chemist" who has simply been taking chemicals home for
years. This book is directed more towards kitchen, garage, or bedroom setups used to make legal or illegal products."
All of us are in effect "mad", no matter what we do simply because we have chemicals and lab equipment, no matter the reason, legit or otherwise. In
effect it teaches LEO to treat us all as "mad chemists" to be looked upon as having criminal intent no matter what the hell you are doing. I know a
lady in Arkansas who quit making soap after doing it for a lifetime, (she is in her 50's). Her mother, grandmother, and great grandmother and possibly
beyond had been making a famous "at home" soap recipe for generations, but she quit over the endless and increasing red tape buying large quantities
of NaOH (among other items) and persecutions she had been receiving from neighbors and local LEO. If you ask me this is a battle we lost some time
ago. The mindset is firmly entrenched today and it only gets worse not better.
[Edited on 4-18-2010 by IrC]
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" Richard Feynman
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Thank you for hassling; I once tried the same thing w/ Amazon....didn't work either.
I profoundly agree with you. This shit really makes me angry. It's anti-intellectualism at it's height & a disgusting backlash from a very
low-functioning mindset.
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Anybody had this book in pdf?
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Bananas are old school, dawg! The new shit in town is Jenkem.
Jenkem (18+)
[Edited on 28-6-2010 by peach]
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We'd better ban latrines.
“If Edison had a needle to find in a haystack, he would proceed at once with the diligence of the bee to examine straw after straw until he found
the object of his search.
I was a sorry witness of such doings, knowing that a little theory and calculation would have saved him ninety per cent of his labor.”
-Tesla
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That looks like an interesting book. I'm a bit of a nerd when it comes to this kinda thing, I love learning about illegal activities even though I
never put the knowledge to any use. I know what you mean about people assuming a chemical can only be used for illegal activities because it has been
associated with that illegal activity. I went into a pharmacy one day and asked for potassium permanganate one day and the pharmacist asks me "do you
wanna make a bomb?". KMnO4 is a good general purpose oxidizing agent but its associated with bomb making in many peoples heads because thats the only
use they've heard of. If you wanna buy a kitchen knife nobody will assume you want to stab someone because everyone knows about uses for a kitchen
knife other than stabbing people with it.
You can read some of this on google books
http://books.google.com/books?id=4pwMQM3PuyoC&printsec=f...
[Edited on 26-8-2010 by cnidocyte]
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At least this book appears to be NOT for vilifying the chemicals, but for knowledge - agreed there will always be idiots.
“If Edison had a needle to find in a haystack, he would proceed at once with the diligence of the bee to examine straw after straw until he found
the object of his search.
I was a sorry witness of such doings, knowing that a little theory and calculation would have saved him ninety per cent of his labor.”
-Tesla
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Some puns can actually be painful..... That one was nasty.
I wonder what type of individual developed this method of intoxication? How does this phenomenon get discovered? Some kid wanders into a sewer and is
overcome by methane gas then has a brilliant idea?
"We did some Butt Hash and kissed each other deeply; savoring the delicate intimacy of our mouths intertwined."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkem
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http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/164823
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Slang Terms for Jenkem
Winnie Mandela
Shit
Butt-Hash
Runners
Brown Dragon
Waste
Fruit from the Crack Pipe
The Jenk
"J" (not to be confused with "MJ"!)
Devil's Chocolate
Leroy Jenkems
Brown Eyed Girl
Goatsejuice
Huffing the Cosbys
Butt-Shit-Gas
Sambian Crack
Ass Candy
Shit Whippets
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Hahahaha! Oh my god I laughed for approx. 15 minutes after reading this for the first time!
Source: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jenkem
"There must be no barriers to freedom of inquiry ... There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any
question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors. ... We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it and
that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. And we know that as long as men are free to ask what they must, free to say what they think,
free to think what they will, freedom can never be lost, and science can never regress." -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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Page 452: It is illegal to beat another to death with a jar of KMnO4.
“If Edison had a needle to find in a haystack, he would proceed at once with the diligence of the bee to examine straw after straw until he found
the object of his search.
I was a sorry witness of such doings, knowing that a little theory and calculation would have saved him ninety per cent of his labor.”
-Tesla
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