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[*] posted on 16-7-2010 at 02:32
Why was Anders Hoveland banned?


His posts seemed quite interesting.

Just curious on why he got banned?

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[*] posted on 16-7-2010 at 03:18


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Just curious on why he got banned?

Me too. . .

Mewrox, you must request a password from a mod to access whimsy.

And the correct English spelling of "sulphur" is sulphur. . .
If you spell it any other way, you're misspelling it!

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[*] posted on 16-7-2010 at 03:25


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Not according to the International Union of Pure & Applied Chemistry




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[*] posted on 16-7-2010 at 03:49


England and America are two countries separated by a common language, according to the great George Bernard Shaw. . .

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[*] posted on 16-7-2010 at 03:59


I think this is why..

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=14140#...
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[*] posted on 16-7-2010 at 04:19


Banning for one ill-thought out post seems a bit severe. . .
A temporary banning, perhaps?

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[*] posted on 16-7-2010 at 06:49


Well, they gave him a special status, so I think one of the mods was getting a little annoyed by his posts or whatever, so maybe this was like a last straw kinda thing.
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[*] posted on 16-7-2010 at 07:07


Yes, pretty sure it was the abovementioned Anarchist Cookbook thread that triggered it. But actually I've come to believe that his entire persona here was just an elaborate troll. Possibly one of the mods reached the same conclusion. It sure wasn't 'one ill-thought out post'; he had previously suggested experiments, with no disclaimer or warning, that would have been extremely dangerous to anyone who conducted them.
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[*] posted on 16-7-2010 at 07:49


He went on wild flights of fancy in 'theorizing' about synthetic possibilities. He was privately warned to make the difference between his theories and experiments clearer, and to provide some sort of literature support for the theories, but he kept it pretty hazy up until the end. When he described practical work that he had allegedly done it was so uncontrolled and absurd it did seem like an elaborate troll; see his "Furozan Attempt using NH2OH" thread.

This is Moonmonster without the funny turns of phrase (search the board for his posts if you were not around back in the Moonmonster days).

He was warned repeatedly in private, got a custom title to warn himself and others, and the last straw was suggesting that the world needed another mad bomber manual, specially crafted so that even the laziest intellect can make explosives with kitchen ware.




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[*] posted on 16-7-2010 at 10:27


Quote: Originally posted by Polverone  
He was privately warned to make the difference between his theories and experiments clearer, and to provide some sort of literature support for the theories, but he kept it pretty hazy up until the end. When he described practical work that he had allegedly done it was so uncontrolled and absurd it did seem like an elaborate troll; see his "Furozan Attempt using NH2OH" thread.(cut)
Was Anders Hoveland, convicted of being a troll, from Scandinavia, particularly Norway, in view of his name? Trolls are supposed to live in mountain caves and under bridges in that part of the world, especially Norway; but living in such places would make it hard for them to get internet access, and power for a computer. Perhaps they use a satellite internet service, and generate and store their own electricity by wind or hydro-power.
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[*] posted on 16-7-2010 at 11:06


The listed email address for Anders Hoveland is "zircotitanium@msn.com" (at least as I write). This is the same address used for user "Voltforce" at 4hv.org and apparently one or more "Anders" at anarchistcookbook.com. There was a Voltforce here at SmDB years ago, who posted this gem:
Quote: Originally posted by Voltforce  
Azides are really interesting. I was going to synthesize lead azide, but the local chemical supplier shut down. Too bad (N3)2 can not exist! If it did exist, it would probably be an unstable poisonous gas.
Apparently lab non-work is not recent and the word "probably" has been in his vocabulary for a long time.
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[*] posted on 17-7-2010 at 08:20


Breaking the addiction to blowing things up.


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[*] posted on 17-7-2010 at 08:30


Quote: Originally posted by Vogelzang  
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[*] posted on 17-7-2010 at 21:05


Quote: Originally posted by JohnWW  
Was Anders Hoveland, convicted of being a troll, from Scandinavia, particularly Norway, in view of his name? Trolls are supposed to live in mountain caves and under bridges in that part of the world, especially Norway; but living in such places would make it hard for them to get internet access, and power for a computer. Perhaps they use a satellite internet service, and generate and store their own electricity by wind or hydro-power.


I'm afraid he could be Norwegian. The name suggests it. I can assure you that the State of Norway takes no responsibility for the actions of Mr. Hoveland, and neither do I or any other Norwegian members of this fine discussion board.

Internet access is no problem, the Norwegian mobile internet company ice.net currently runs a TV commercial featuring a troll sitting in the Norwegian woods with a yellow laptop, texting away. :D Sadly, I couldn't find a picture of it for this thread.
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[*] posted on 18-7-2010 at 04:31


Looks like Mr Anders has a new username.. 'Reference'.
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[*] posted on 18-7-2010 at 05:21


How can you tell that they are one in the same?




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I hope folks realize how gentle the mods are here and how much of a screaming jerk one has to be to actually get banned.......It's fairly similar to 4hv.org. To see someone banned I would bet that they were warned repeatedly.....
The guy did say some seriously stupid shit; both scholastically & socially.
I hold a very special place for bigots (about two meters forward from the muzzle) & he did seem like he was going to launch into a classic tirade if he knew it was OK to do so..... The guy was actually incensed that anyone would suggest the sullying of pure Aryan blood with that of a chimp. Mein Got! What a fucking dolt. I doubt he's Norwegian however. They have a fairly decent school system & are mostly very proud of their Resistance to the Nazis during the Second World War (he DID sound like he was still in secondary school).



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[*] posted on 18-7-2010 at 06:36


Quote: Originally posted by quicksilver  
How can you tell that they are one in the same?


Sure he's the same, he also uses the words probably and maybe, continues the treads of Hoveland and uses the same structure drawing software.
Quite obnoxious guy if you ask me, usually someone gets banned, he at least realizes why and stops doing this particular thing. Hoveland / Reference continues to post the same crap for which he was banned for.

The mods can see his IP, so they could look up weather he's really from Norway by using whois.

Instead of banning him, it would be more demotivating for him and safer for beginners (who might try them) if all his garbage fantasy posts are deleted.

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[*] posted on 18-7-2010 at 07:29


In addition to what Hinz said, Reference posts at the same hours Anders did.. early in the morning. Plus he's new and already he's post whoring like Anders. This morning I checked Today's Posts and, just like with Anders, there were like ten threads in a row with the last post from Reference.
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[*] posted on 18-7-2010 at 07:54


Quote: Originally posted by quicksilver  

I hold a very special place for bigots (about two meters forward from the muzzle)



A Narrative Of The Siege Of Delhi
With An Account Of The Mutiny At Ferozepore In 1857
Charles John Griffiths
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/10856/10856.txt

_June 13_.--The morning of June 13 was fixed upon for the execution. A
gallows was erected on the plain to the north side of the fort, facing
the native bazaars, and at a distance of some 300 yards. On this two
sepoys were to be hanged, and at the same time their comrades in mutiny
were to be blown away from guns.

We paraded at daylight every man off duty, and, with the band playing,
marched to the place of execution, and drew up in line near the gallows
and opposite the native quarter.

Shortly after our arrival the European Light Field Battery, of six guns,
appeared on the scene, forming up on our left flank, and about twenty
yards in front of the Light Company.

The morning was close and sultry, not a cloud in the sky, and not a
breath of wind stirring; and I confess I felt sick with a suffocating
sense of horror when I reflected on the terrible sight I was about to
witness.

Soon the fourteen mutineers, under a strong escort of our men with fixed
bayonets, were seen moving from the fort. They advanced over the plain
at our rear, and drew up to the left front of, and at right angles to,
the battery of artillery.

I was standing at the extreme right of the line with the Grenadier
Company, and some distance from the guns; but I had provided myself with
a pair of strong glasses, and therefore saw all that followed clearly
and distinctly.

There was no unnecessary delay in the accomplishment of the tragedy. Two
of the wretched creatures were marched off to the gallows, and placed
with ropes round their necks on a raised platform under the beam.

The order was given for the guns to be loaded, and quick as thought the
European artillerymen placed a quarter charge of powder in each piece.
The guns were 9-pounders, the muzzles standing about 3 feet from the
ground.

During these awful preparations, I watched at intervals the faces of the
condemned men, but could detect no traces of fear or agitation in their
demeanour. The twelve stood two deep, six in front and six in the rear,
calm and undismayed, without uttering a word.

An officer came forward, and, by the Brigadier's order, read the
sentence of the court-martial, and at its conclusion the six men in
front, under escort, walked towards the battery.

There was a death-like silence over the scene at this time, and,
overcome with horror, my heart seemed almost to cease beating.

Arrived at the guns, the culprits were handed over to the artillerymen,
who, ready prepared with strong ropes in their hands, seized their
victims. Each of these, standing erect, was bound to a cannon and
tightly secured, with the small of the back covering the muzzle. And
then all at once the silence which reigned around was broken by the
oaths and yells of those about to die. These sounds were not uttered by
men afraid of death, for they showed the most stoical indifference,
but were the long-suppressed utterances of dying souls, who, in the
bitterness of their hearts, cursed those who had been instrumental
in condemning them to this shameful end. They one and all poured out
maledictions on our heads; and in their language, one most rich in
expletives, they exhausted the whole vocabulary.

Meanwhile the gunners stood with lighted port-fires, waiting for the
word of command to fire the guns and launch the sepoys into eternity.

These were still yelling and raining abuse, some even looking over their
shoulders and watching without emotion the port-fires, about to be
applied to the touch-holes, when the word "Fire!" sounded from the
officer in command, and part of the tragedy was at an end.

A thick cloud of smoke issued from the muzzles of the cannons, through
which were distinctly seen by several of us the black heads of the
victims, thrown many feet into the air.

While this tragic drama was enacting, the two sepoys to be hanged were
turned off the platform.

The artillerymen again loaded the guns, the six remaining prisoners,
cursing like their comrades, were bound to them, another discharge, and
then an execution, the like of which I hope never to see again, was
completed.

All this time a sickening, offensive smell pervaded the air, a stench
which only those who have been present at scenes such as these can
realize--the pungent odour of burnt human flesh.

The artillerymen had neglected putting up back-boards to their guns, so
that, horrible to relate, at each discharge the recoil threw back pieces
of burning flesh, bespattering the men and covering them with blood and
calcined remains.

A large concourse of natives from the bazaars and city had assembled in
front of the houses, facing the guns at a distance, as I said before, of
some 300 yards, to watch the execution. At the second discharge of the
cannon, and on looking before me, I noticed the ground torn up and earth
thrown a slight distance into the air more than 200 paces away. Almost
at the same time there was a commotion among the throng in front, some
running to and fro, while others ran off in the direction of the houses.
I called the attention of an officer who was standing by my side to this
strange and unaccountable phenomenon, and said, half joking: "Surely the
scattered limbs of the sepoys have not been carried so far?"

&c., &c.


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[*] posted on 18-7-2010 at 10:56


This explains a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15WMnBC8hxU&NR=1&feat...

Watch all 9 parts of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63y6WUg5nZ4&feature=relat...

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[*] posted on 18-7-2010 at 11:10


Reference is indeed a new Anders account. He has been banned too now. If he wants to register a third account there's nothing to stop him, but he'll be banned again if his behavior doesn't change.



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[*] posted on 18-7-2010 at 12:25


Quote: Originally posted by quicksilver  

I doubt he's Norwegian however. They have a fairly decent school system & are mostly very proud of their Resistance to the Nazis during the Second World War (he DID sound like he was still in secondary school).

Yes and yes. But that doesn't mean that we don't have idiots and neo-nazis here. I am familiar with both.
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[*] posted on 20-7-2010 at 10:24


Do not delete his posts yet. I, for one, find them interesting - only because theory is rather interesting.

He is now a member at www.shadowrx.com and is being a 'good member' in my section - the chem section. If you want to be rid of his posts here, could an administrator please archive them to .pdf files first and pass them along to me, so we can host them for academic interest?

The structures and such, while maybe unworkable, certainly are interesting as in the future they may become possible. Then, we will have this fella going 'I told ya so'
Who wants that to occur? Hell, two years back I thought Trinitro was the most nitrated toluene could possibly get! And I still like to draw out 'fantasy molecules' in my spare time, making sure all the bonding is correct and so on... it is fun and entertaining pursuit!

BTW, is there a backup of SMDB available? I am trying to locate backups of various sites. I have got a rather incomplete one of A0tu, one for E&W, and am looking to obtain some more.
We may be able to host a mirror or something in the future, as that will help if this bastion of fine knowledge ever does fall.

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[*] posted on 20-7-2010 at 14:04


I will not make any more speculative posts here.
I would like to point out that I did nothing wrong. My posts happened not to be liked by the administrator and a few others. I had sent an earlier message to Pulverone to this effect, but did not get a reply. After being initially banned, I refrained from making specualtive posts in the Energetics section, and only started one new topic, in the Organics section.
I can see that this forum does not value potentially useful ideas, even when the poster tries to reference as much as possible, and draw parallels with other reactions already scientifically documented.
I am still unsure as to what, exactly, was done wrong. When mistakes were pointed out, I tried to correct them. I did differentiate speculation from fact after being warned, and I quoted much literature that provided support for my theories, but the theories departed so much from the well trodden path of explored science that it was not possible to quote anything that would validate the theory, or provide much support. I assume that I need not quote references for any of the tautomers, which should be fairly basic organic knowledge.
While some of the experiments suggested were fairly dangerous, I do not think they were much more than the synthesis of NG. I did warn about the dangers, even once going so far as to give my dissaproval to someone that posted saying he was going to try one of them. Obviously, I did not want someone with no experience, and without appropriate equipment, trying to make Cl2O6 or Cl2O7.

I got one warning, then my "posting priveleges" were suspended, then finally I was banned. After each "punitive" measure, I tried to correct what I was allegedly doing wrong.
I suspect that the frequency of posts had something to do with it, although no one ever made such a complaint.

Although I am somewhat alarmed at some of the topics in Anarchist Cookbook forums, I feel there are many users that only have an interest in pyro mixtures, and do not have a grudge against society. If they really did want to harm others, they would likely get hold of an automatic gun, or make poison gas, as these would do much more harm than any bomb can. Also, the types of energetic compounds suggested can not easily be scaled up by someone with litttle knowledge of chemistry. The people at Anarchist cookbook already know how to make TNT and NG. If they only wanted to harm others, why would they go to all the trouble of a much harder synthesis to make something less familiar? A pipebomb filled with blackpowder and nails would cause much more harm than 40g of HMX for example.
It just happens that the name "Anarchist cookbook" happens to be well known amongst young adults. Using this as a title might be a way to reach them, as they probably are not familiar where to search to find a high quality energetic compound discussion.
I do not consider any of the posts made "post whoring".
I feel the ideas have a chance of offering something valuable or, at least, intellectually stimulating.

As to the "racist" accusations, I have concern of the rights and well being of all creatures, both human and non-human, and am well aware of the unfair economic oppression that many people face, including minorities. One of my beliefs is that after great economic equality is achieved, there will be less concern over discrimination based on race, because it will have minimal economic impact at that point. Obviously, at this time, racial discrimination would be economically devestating to minorities. And I think that, in many casese, educational discrimination is just as bad as racial discrimination, but few people seem to make that connection. Often, educational attainment has little relevance on the ability to perform a job.

I do not currently reside in Denmark. I am sure I had some time previous relative who migrated accross the Skagerrak.
There is a very strong neo-Nazi presence in Scandinavia, despite the widespread resentment about the occupation.
I read in the paper here that people marched through Cobenhavns streets with svastikas, wanting the muslims to get out, something I would never consider doing. The irony is much.



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[*] posted on 20-7-2010 at 14:38


You were banned because you were cluttering the forum with rubbish, with a hint of troll
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