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madscientist
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Just because it's from an outside source doesn't mean it's guaranteed to be of high purity. Even big companies are capable of shipping out garbage.
I weep at the sight of flaming acetic anhydride.
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More like it takes me all day to make 20g of iodine and makes a huge mess. I don't even need it for anything, just part of the collection.
Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and caldron bubble
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Quote: Originally posted by anotheronebitesthedust  | From the US federal sentencing guidelines.
http://www.ussc.gov/2010guid/20100121_Reader_Friendly_Propos...
| Quote: | List I Chemicals Level 12
Less than 2.7 KG of Anthranilic Acid;
Less than 3.6 G of Benzaldehyde;
Less than 80 G of Benzyl Cyanide;
Less than 800 MG of Ergonovine;
Less than 1.6 G of Ergotamine;
Less than 80 G of Ethylamine;
Less than 8.8 G of Hydriodic Acid;
Less than 5 G of Iodine;
Less than 1.44 KG of Isosafrole;
Less than 800 MG of Methylamine;
Less than 3.6 KG of N-Acetylanthranilic Acid;
Less than 2.25 KG of N-Methylephedrine;
Less than 2.25 KG of N-Methylpseudoephedrine;
Less than 2.5 G of Nitroethane;
Less than 40 G of Norpseudoephedrine;
Less than 80 G of Phenylacetic Acid;
Less than 40 G of Piperidine;
Less than 1.44 KG of Piperonal;
Less than 7.2 G of Propionic Anhydride;
Less than 1.44 KG of Safrole;
Less than 1.8 KG of 3, 4-Methylenedioxyphenyl-2-propanone;
Less than 4.5 L of Gamma-butyrolactone;
Less than 3 G of Red Phosphorus, White Phosphorus, or Hypophosphorous Acid;
List II Chemicals
Less than 66 G of Acetic Anhydride;
Less than 7.05 KG of Acetone;
Less than 120 G of Benzyl Chloride;
Less than 6.45 KG of Ethyl Ether;
Less than 7.2 KG of Methyl Ethyl Ketone;
Less than 60 G of Potassium Permanganate;
Less than 7.8 KG of Toluene. |
Of course they still need to prove intent. |
so these are the max amounts you can possess?
or am I misunderstanding
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The laws on precursors and intent are confusing and complicated, and vary from state to state - I don't purport to understand all the intricacies.
However I know for a fact that a number of those, possessed below the threshold given, can get you locked up - anthranillic acid, ergot alkaloids,
isosafrole, N-acetylanthranilic acid, piperonal, propionic anhydride, safrole, 3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl-2-propanone (kiss your ass goodbye if
you get caught with 1.7kg of this), and the phosphorus.
They may be able to get you on more of those than I listed. Again, it's hard to know.
I weep at the sight of flaming acetic anhydride.
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| Quote: | | so these are the max amounts you can possess? |
Do you understand what less than means? It
means smaller than.
My understanding is that possession of even 1 gram of Toluene with intent to manufacture (or sale with reasonable cause to believe it will be used in
the manufacture of) a controlled substance, is a level 12 offence which is 10-16 months for a first time offender. Replace the 1 gram of Toluene with
3 kilograms of Ephedrine and you get a level 38 offence which is 235-293 months for a first time offender.
For anyone interested, the 2010 guidelines were published yesterday:
http://www.ussc.gov/2010guid/PDF_Guidelines_Manual_Full.pdf
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Any reason why you stopped selling on ebay?
Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and caldron bubble
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anotheronebitesthedust
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Going to school.
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spirocycle
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| Quote: Originally posted by anotheronebitesthedust | | Quote: | | so these are the max amounts you can possess? |
Do you understand what less than means? It
means smaller than.
My understanding is that possession of even 1 gram of Toluene with intent to manufacture (or sale with reasonable cause to believe it will be used in
the manufacture of) a controlled substance, is a level 12 offence which is 10-16 months for a first time offender. Replace the 1 gram of Toluene with
3 kilograms of Ephedrine and you get a level 38 offence which is 235-293 months for a first time offender.
For anyone interested, the 2010 guidelines were published yesterday:
http://www.ussc.gov/2010guid/PDF_Guidelines_Manual_Full.pdf |
the sarcasm wasnt really necessary to get your point across.
the numbers seemed a bit high, so I was just confirming
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just become a company.. then anything you do is ok 
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24th June 2014
"At ReAgent, whenever we receive a request that may be flagged as suspicious, we inform the police who can carry out checks on the intentions of use
for the chemical."
http://www.reagent.co.uk/blog/toxic-chemicals-the-dangers-of...
Thanx very much!
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Sorry to comment at all but I am sorry that you have to work so hard at obtaining such a rather mundane chemical .....
A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?
Albert Einstein
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zenosx
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Wow, really old thread, but it was bumped so I'll say, I never knew para-formaldehyde was so hard to come by... I have a few bottles that I haven't
had any use for in quite a while
A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?
Albert Einstein
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"At ReAgent, whenever we receive a request that may be flagged as suspicious, we inform the secret police who can carry warrantless searches on the
premises designated for delivery of said chemicals. Here at ReAgent, we enjoy being part of the police state, and will look for any way to sell out
our customers to the iron fist of totalitarian rule."
This is exactly the kind of company that can go f*ck itself. I understand obligations of companies when it comes to selling chemicals. What I do not
respect are boot lickers who go out of their way to investigate their own customers.
News flash: you dont need lab reagents to make a good bomb. You don't like terrorism? then get your military out of the middle east
As for anyone still buying this war on terror bullsh*t...
How did it go in 1984 again? the populace was kept in a constant level of alert by producing fake threats to panic them into compliance. See any
parallels?
He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into
thee.
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Templar, can you please keep the politics out of the science sections? I don't know anyone here who enjoys chemical bureaucracy or regulation, but all
you managed to do was add an opinion to this thread that was not pertinent to chemistry or obtaining reagents.
You don't like the company? Don't buy from them, and feel free to make another one others can choose to shop at. Then you can deal with the same
things they do.
In addition to paperwork, now some of burden of proof may be shifting to courier services:
http://m.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324595904578121461...
http://www.justice.gov/dea/divisions/sf/2014/sf071814.shtml
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