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- may be i ddnt understand you or you cant understand me , thats first 
- i didnt say that beer in islam tell you to to drink beer or any other drink must be zero.
- islm consider the human abiltiies and respect it.
- limits of drinking to be intoxicant also may be contolled by limits i specified before some thing like driving limits.
not like what you said that , alcohol free beer is full of islamic wine.
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i repeat the limit is not ZERO!!!! i hope u understand
[Edited on 31-10-2010 by aeacfm]
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aeacfm, you have to believe I'm not trying to do down religion, I'm just assuming you want beer that adheres to Halal and that means I have to
reference what the texts say about it.
It is my interpretation of it, but then, saying it should contain no molecules of alcohol is also an interpretation.
If it meant, to be entirely free of alcohol molecules, it would surely have been easy to say "no traces of alcohol", or something similar; "absolutely
free of alcohol", "drinks must be as pure as water".
The way it says "strong" and "intoxicating" drinks, would seem to be talking about drinks designed to get you drunk right?
Again, I'm not trying to say this is stupid or you're wrong to want it without alcohol in it, I'm only trying to work out what is okay and what isn't.
As you've heard, it's basically impossible to remove all of it from anything (water included), people didn't have spectroscopy when the Quran was
written, so that must mean there is some quantity that is not considered against Halal, or everyone would have been breaking it since the text was
written.
"Strong" and "intoxicating" I think I am more correct in meaning, a.) something you've brewed to get drunk or that will easily make you drunk, b.)
drinking enough of it that you do get drunk.
If you remove 99%+ of the alcohol from beer, you've tried hard to get rid of all the alcohol, you're approaching the limits of what is physically
possible and you'd have to drink buckets of it (literally) to even start feeling drunk.
We are talking about absolutely minute quantities of alcohol, not Western 'weak beer' standards, it will be getting close to water in terms of the
alcohol content.
I don't mean to offend you, so I hope I haven't,
John
[Edited on 31-10-2010 by peach]
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Here you are in the general chemistry section discussing religion and trying to reason with someone about their religion. I suggest once again this be
moved to Whimsey. The discussion is not about beer, it's about discussing his religion. Wake up.
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This is not a discussion. It's a comic opera in 3 parts. Enjoy your box seat!
The single most important condition for a successful synthesis is good mixing - Nicodem
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Win, not wine.
About religion it may be, Mr Wizard, but it is only thus to discover what level of alcohol and preparation is required. Sheesh.
Like what Peach is saying up there, there is so little alcohol in it that' it's minute, but I'm getting mixed messages as to what those in charge of
Islamic rules say about this minute alcohol beer.
“If Edison had a needle to find in a haystack, he would proceed at once with the diligence of the bee to examine straw after straw until he found
the object of his search.
I was a sorry witness of such doings, knowing that a little theory and calculation would have saved him ninety per cent of his labor.”
-Tesla
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aeacfm
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Quote: Originally posted by peach  | aeacfm, you have to believe I'm not trying to do down religion, I'm just assuming you want beer that adheres to Halal and that means I have to
reference what the texts say about it.
It is my interpretation of it, but then, saying it should contain no molecules of alcohol is also an interpretation.
If it meant, to be entirely free of alcohol molecules, it would surely have been easy to say "no traces of alcohol", or something similar; "absolutely
free of alcohol", "drinks must be as pure as water".
The way it says "strong" and "intoxicating" drinks, would seem to be talking about drinks designed to get you drunk right?
Again, I'm not trying to say this is stupid or you're wrong to want it without alcohol in it, I'm only trying to work out what is okay and what isn't.
As you've heard, it's basically impossible to remove all of it from anything (water included), people didn't have spectroscopy when the Quran was
written, so that must mean there is some quantity that is not considered against Halal, or everyone would have been breaking it since the text was
written.
"Strong" and "intoxicating" I think I am more correct in meaning, a.) something you've brewed to get drunk or that will easily make you drunk, b.)
drinking enough of it that you do get drunk.
If you remove 99%+ of the alcohol from beer, you've tried hard to get rid of all the alcohol, you're approaching the limits of what is physically
possible and you'd have to drink buckets of it (literally) to even start feeling drunk.
We are talking about absolutely minute quantities of alcohol, not Western 'weak beer' standards, it will be getting close to water in terms of the
alcohol content.
I don't mean to offend you, so I hope I haven't,
John
[Edited on 31-10-2010 by peach] |
dear friend , John (peah)
it is oky
like what you said i will never find this beer of 0.000000% alcohol , aha may be in my dreams , other thing islamic canons respect this like what you
said previous if you ate some sugar by fermentation it will convert to alcohol , so will Allah punish me because i ate Sugar "no body can say that ",
at the same time every thing is full regulated
any way , i hope this could be finished and return back to general chemistry which unites us all .
i write this post to say every thing is oky 
have anice night all , specially John
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aeacfm
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| Quote: Originally posted by psychokinetic | Win, not wine.
About religion it may be, Mr Wizard, but it is only thus to discover what level of alcohol and preparation is required. Sheesh.
Like what Peach is saying up there, there is so little alcohol in it that' it's minute, but I'm getting mixed messages as to what those in charge of
Islamic rules say about this minute alcohol beer. |
what you asking "BASHA" in the above post
no Zero ever would be found !!!
islam didnt say the limit is Zero !!!
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