Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: Alcohol catalyzed alkali metal synthesis question
Jackson
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 189
Registered: 22-5-2018
Location: U S of A
Member Is Offline

Mood: :) Happy about new glassware :)

[*] posted on 16-4-2019 at 12:42
Alcohol catalyzed alkali metal synthesis question


Could diacetone alcohol be used for this synthesis? Would the ketone group inhibit it from working or would it still work?
View user's profile View All Posts By User
draculic acid69
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1371
Registered: 2-8-2018
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 16-4-2019 at 20:50


Try it and tell us
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Assured Fish
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 319
Registered: 31-8-2015
Location: Noo Z Land
Member Is Offline

Mood: Misanthropic

[*] posted on 16-4-2019 at 20:54


Steric bulk aside, I doubt it.
Sodium is a pretty strong reducing agent and is used to reduce other carbonyls in conjunction with alcohols.
A classic example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouveault%E2%80%93Blanc_reduct...

While esters do have very different properties to ketones, the reaction mechanism with sodium is virtually the same (enolation to form sodium enolate). The rest of the reduction while it might be somewhat hindered, would certainly take place to atleast some extent, especially at temperature in excess of 200*C.

Im not telling you not to try it, just don't be surprised if it fails miserably.
Menthol is quite easy to aquire if you are merely interested in preparing sodium via this method.




Sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from madness.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Jackson
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 189
Registered: 22-5-2018
Location: U S of A
Member Is Offline

Mood: :) Happy about new glassware :)

[*] posted on 17-4-2019 at 08:33


I was more interested in how the ketone group would affect the reaction, rather than actually trying it.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
draculic acid69
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1371
Registered: 2-8-2018
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 17-4-2019 at 22:00


So far it's unknown
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top