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[*] posted on 21-10-2011 at 11:21


awesome, that would be great thanks!



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[*] posted on 21-10-2011 at 21:12


In a few days i can try the Ammonia and Chlorine and see if its possible



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[*] posted on 21-10-2011 at 21:32


Oh and would Nitrogen Trichloride form just by mixing the gases or from the combustion of the 2?




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[*] posted on 21-10-2011 at 21:37


well if they don't combust, and you keep adding Cl2 then NCl3 will form. But I would suspect NH2Cl and NHCl2 would also form as Cl2 concentration increases. I doubt it will combust but give it a try, and be careful.



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[*] posted on 21-10-2011 at 21:52


Nitrogen trichloride is a very volatile, highly explosive, nauseating, powerful tear gas liquid. I've never tried to form it by combining the two gases, though I've made it before several times.

I was considering using NCl3 for a demonstration for the video project, but I think the compound is too hazardous.

I would be cautious about trying this combination because it could end in an explosion. NCl3 is not the kind of compound that ignites, but explodes only.
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[*] posted on 21-10-2011 at 22:14


yeah, ill make it a safe way somehow



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[*] posted on 22-10-2011 at 00:59


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Ill that that into consideration when doing this, ill try and be as far back as possible when i try and proform this... i have some ideas already on how im going to do it... so the production of either gas is done on its own while im far back incase of a explosion




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[*] posted on 24-10-2011 at 04:58


Chlorine and Hydrogen... in a plastic bag and take a picture of it with a camera with flash on... very quick explosion (light is produced from the heat probly a bit of fire)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjbRH6bSIIw&feature=relat...

could this be included or dont explosive reactions work?




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[*] posted on 24-10-2011 at 09:40


Too explosive, we want flames that could be used to start a fire easily. Good find though, that was pretty interesting!



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[*] posted on 24-10-2011 at 09:52


You already have a video of chlorine and acetylene, this one isn't any different. The interesting thing is the fire is initiated by light.


Burning hydrogen in a chlorine atmosphere would also be really cool




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[*] posted on 13-11-2011 at 07:15


Quote: Originally posted by liubinafc  
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Right, but what does it have to do with fire?




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[*] posted on 13-11-2011 at 09:24


Well that's interesting spam!

But I have been meaning to come back here and write something for a few days...

The thread has been silent for a while, so I wanted to see how everyone who was in progress with something was doing. That would be Chemistry Alchemist, TheNakLaB, barley81, and woelen (see the chart on the last page). Of course there is no time limit but I feel that with those videos completed we would have enough to make a rough draft of the video. Just checking in :)




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[*] posted on 13-11-2011 at 15:10


I know sparks aren't an exciting way to make fire, but this one is kind of a big spark for being fairly simple. Instead of rubbing two sticks together or smacking rocks against each other, it's rubbing a few paper towels over some PVC. And there are so many variables you can play with.
http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/foster.html

I found I needed a longer charging rod because getting shocked while charging the device is kind of attention getting. ha
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[*] posted on 14-11-2011 at 10:18


@hkparker,
I have not made any fire yet. School takes up a lot of my time. I will try, but I cannot do any chemistry (physically unable) until around Thanksgiving. Then I will have enough time. I'm thinking of chromyl chloride and sulfur (maybe plastic, gooey sulfur might make fire?). In regard to the quicklime/wet fuel experiment, my Ca(OH)<sub>2</sub> all turned into CaCO<sub>3</sub> and cannot be converted to quicklime with my blowtorch and a crucible. I'll try to get some quicklime from my teacher and see if it works with wet alkyl nitrites with added acid sometime.
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[*] posted on 14-11-2011 at 10:39


Ok. Like I said there is no hurry, just wanted to keep updated. My tries with sulfur and chroyl chloride were never very successful, but good luck! I never tried the other allotrope.



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[*] posted on 2-12-2011 at 17:42


TheNakLaB just uploaded pyrophoric iron into ethanol and it looked awesome! Thanks!



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[*] posted on 2-12-2011 at 17:44


Thats ok :) I'll upload the original to mega upload so you have the whole video



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[*] posted on 2-12-2011 at 17:45


Its fine, I downloaded it from youtube and took out the beginning and end. The slow motion looks good with it, its perfect for the video.



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[*] posted on 2-12-2011 at 17:47


Alright awesome. I made heaps of Iron Oxalate that I can turn to Pyrophoric Iron. What other things should I combust with it?



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[*] posted on 2-12-2011 at 17:48


Try anything you think will work well, so long as its safe. Acetone maybe. Nitrocellulose would be cool if you have some.



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[*] posted on 2-12-2011 at 17:50


Alright awesome. I'll get back to you when I've filmed some other videos on it. How many videos do you have now for the second episode?



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[*] posted on 2-12-2011 at 17:53


16. but make as many as you want, once people have seen the reaction fully once I can quickly show it with a variety of other flammables.

Last video (which, at 13 minutes, we don't need to be as long as) had 24 videos.




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[*] posted on 2-12-2011 at 21:15


A few more KClO3 with various fuels if interested. Glycerin, ibuprofen, carbon. No flame on carbon, loud popping though.

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[*] posted on 3-12-2011 at 01:32


Sorry i havent been doing anything... i havent had luck decomposing calcium carbonate or hydroxide... when are you posting the next video? im getting a copper welding blow torch for christmas



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[*] posted on 3-12-2011 at 01:52


Thanks Bot! I'll add them to the list.

@Chemistry Alchemist Don't worry about it, no one is required to submit at all. We will post the video whenever we all decide we have enough, which should be relatively soon, hopefully I can get to editing a final draft in about a month. I will wait for you to give that experiment a try. A few other people have said they are working on things as well.




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