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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 00:12
Jute nitration failure


I had the idea that I may be able to nitrate jute string and use it as cheap fuse for simple pyrotechnics. My thought was that it would contain sufficient cellulose to hold its structure through nitration.
I made a nitration solution of 10 mls conc HNO3 and 10 mls conc H2SO4. Once it had returned to room temp I added about 400 mm of jute string. I left it to react for about 30 minutes. I had hoped that I would then remove the string, rinse with water then boil in water. Unfortunately there was nothing left to remove, must be way more lignin in jute than I had anticipated. Presumably the acid mix destroys the bonds between the lignols?
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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 08:10


my attempt at nitrobacco ended similarly:

https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=25...




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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 08:19


Have you tried cotton string/twine ?
https://www.google.com/search?q=cotton+string&safe=activ...
As cotton wool makes good nitrocellulose I'd expect cotton string to behave similarly.




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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 11:35


I haven't tried cotton string. I agree that it would likely work well. I will try it at some point, presumably someone else has?
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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 16:15


I would think a gun cotton fuse would be fast and not very effective as an ignition source.

When my father made fireworks fuses he coated wool strands in a wet black power mixture that probably contained gum arabic. After dipping the wool thread in the mixture it was pulled thru a hole and then hung up to dry. You can probably find recipes at pyro sites.

For slow fuses simply dipping cotton string or paper in a nitrate and then drying works but you need something easily ignited at the ignition end.




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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 18:16


I tried jute because I had hoped the lignin content might give it a slower burn rate.
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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 23:18


Rule of thumb: if plant derived material is strong (jute eg.) there is a lot of lignin, if it is flexible (cotton) there is more cellulose.
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[*] posted on 2-12-2019 at 10:21


Ah yep, good tip thanks, makes sense.
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[*] posted on 3-12-2019 at 04:10


Quote: Originally posted by B(a)P  
I haven't tried cotton string. I agree that it would likely work well. I will try it at some point, presumably someone else has?


I have.
I did this years ago with simple cotton string.

- The string breaks easily after nitration
- The string leaves a lot of residue compared to NC from cotton.




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[*] posted on 3-12-2019 at 10:39


Was the burn rate the same as NC from cotton wool?
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[*] posted on 4-12-2019 at 06:55


No. But cotton wool burns in a flash.
With cotton string it burns slow enough for you to know it wont meet expectations.

The reason si mostly that mixed acids dont penetrate well enough.
Lint is better than cotton wool which in turn is better than cotton string.

If you dont have Urbanski's books get them from the library. There's about 60 pages on the choice of cellulose alone in the NC chapter and it's pretty interesting.




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