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[*] posted on 23-3-2020 at 06:43
SO2 from S8 and H2SO4


making SO2 is hard even with sulfur candles and sodium meta bi sulfate plus acid. sulfur and H2SO4 is easy to get hold of . i think the reaction is endothermic so no runaway reaction Hot concentrated sulfuric acid is needed
S +2H2SO4 -----> 2H2O +3SO2

note- i need SO2 to react with MnO2 to make MnSO4 iwas thinking heating MnO2 with sulfur in a H2SO4 slurry

3MnO2 + S +2H2SO4 ------> 2H2O +3MnSO4
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acid that repeat its qualities called "Periodic acid".
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[*] posted on 23-3-2020 at 08:47


MnO2 reacts with SO2 to form MnS2O6, not MnSO4.

Why is making SO2 by mixing metabisulfite and acid hard? It's very simple and cheap way.
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[*] posted on 23-3-2020 at 11:28


Quote: Originally posted by Bedlasky  
MnO2 reacts with SO2 to form MnS2O6, not MnSO4.
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are you high? just even adding the formulas give MnSO4 (MnO2SO2=MnSO4)




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[*] posted on 23-3-2020 at 13:24


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321061004_Oxidation_kinetics_of_dithionate_compound_in_the_leaching_process_of_manganese_dioxide_with_mangane se_dithionate

Not only MnSO4 is formed in this reaction.

Quote: Originally posted by Bedlasky  
MnO2 reacts with SO2 to form MnS2O6, not MnSO4.
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I should wrote not only MnSO4.

[Edited on 23-3-2020 by Bedlasky]
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[*] posted on 23-3-2020 at 15:48


I'm ignorant of Mn chemistry. However I have several questions which I don't think that some of the posters seem to know.
1. How about balanced equations for each of the 2 reactions? You can write a balanced equation are any reaction, real or imagined, if you follow the law of conservation of mass.
2. Has anyone heard of structural formulas? isomers? Just a random thought that may not be relevant here.
3. While MnO2 + SO2 = MnSO4 is mathematically correct, it does not say anything about the structures of the compounds involved. There may be 2 or more structural isomers of MnSO4, and thus 2 or more different chemical substances (I don't know the answer to this).
3. Not all chemical reactions are combination reactions, i.e, A + B = AB. Also if A and/or B is polyatomic, there may well be 2 or more isomers of AB.

Forgive the rants of an old man, but many questions posed in this forum reflect little knowledge of chemistry. I'm not talking of legitimate questions seeking an answer (after the appropriate literature search, of course), but of questions that purport to be a fact, with no supporting theoretical reason.

At any rate, it's time for my dinner!
P.S. I guess I'm already going stir-crazy being cooped up while hoping to outlast this COVID-19 crisis. I hope all of our members can avoid this flu crisis.


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[*] posted on 24-3-2020 at 03:47


At low temperature manganese dithionate MnS2O6 is the main product but if this reaction is carried out in hot solution manganese sulphate is the main product.
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[*] posted on 24-3-2020 at 12:19


Literally all you do is drip the acid onto metabisulfite, how the hell is that hard?



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[*] posted on 24-3-2020 at 13:15


It needs a p and e addition funnel. Now I don't consider that hard but a starter might?

Same for a sulfur candle, requires a gas washing bottle and a vacuum pump, not particularly unobtainium but not exactly starter equipment either.

So I can see why OP wants a chug-plug-heat kind of reaction/set-up. That being said, sometimes it's just better to get ahold of that p-e addition funnel.
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[*] posted on 24-3-2020 at 14:29


Doesn't sodium metabisulfite decompose when heated? (To sodium sulfite and sulfur dioxide) Wikipedia quotes a 150 °C decomposition temperature, but I haven't tried myself.

Granted a powder isn't the best in a gas generator, it will tend to become airborne, but maybe an interesting alternative for those who don't have sulfuric acid on hand.
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[*] posted on 24-3-2020 at 14:44


PET bottle, hose, sodim metabisulfite, acid - simple SO2 generator. You can heat it on hot water bath to release more SO2 from acid.
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[*] posted on 25-3-2020 at 00:01


Sulfur dioxide react with manganese(IV) oxide is 2SO2 + MnO2 → MnS2O6
possible in a neutral to some what basic conditions but we are talking about hot concentrated acidic medium. there is no way of manganese(II) dithionate formation.
Source: https://chemiday.com/en/reaction/3-1-0-998
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dithionate says " Strong oxidants oxidise them to sulfates and strong reducing agents reduce them to sulfites and dithionites.[3] Aqueous solutions of dithionates are quite stable and can be boiled without decomposition"

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acid that repeat its qualities called "Periodic acid".
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[*] posted on 25-3-2020 at 09:55


Quote: Originally posted by Sigmatropic  
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Same for a sulfur candle, requires a gas washing bottle and a vacuum pump, not particularly unobtainium but not exactly starter equipment either.



this is not a cheap vacuum?

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