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[*] posted on 7-8-2020 at 04:15


AN: 575 kJ / kg
TNT: 908 kJ / kg

AN : TNT = 0.63

Beirut: 2.75 kt AN = 1.74 kt TNT
Hiroshima: 12.5 kt TNT

Beirut : Hiroshima = 13.93%
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[*] posted on 7-8-2020 at 04:35


It's unlikely that all the AN detonated.

" Initial estimates of the yield of the explosion ranged from hundreds of tons of TNT equivalent, to between 1.0 and 1.5 kilotons. "
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_artificial_non-nuclear...

Something like 1 to 10% of the energy of the Hiroshima bomb.
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[*] posted on 7-8-2020 at 06:05


The storagehaus photos are fake. The exploded stoff was ammoniumnitrate technical grade (not agricultural grade this is flegmatised) made in Russia. A russian ship 6 years ago delivered this (cca 2700 mto) for coal and stone mine somewhere to Africa, but near of Beirut had a a big technical problem After that, got the shipper bankrupt the appropriated AN was very bad condition storaged etc.. Such blindness, irresponsibility and inadequacy cant wondering.

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[*] posted on 7-8-2020 at 10:24


Quote: Originally posted by Pyro_cat  
Quote: Originally posted by Brightthermite  
Quote: Originally posted by Pyro_cat  
Close up video of the first explosion but I dont see how the person taking the video could have survived the second one https://twitter.com/i/status/1290726770459672576


That had to just be some fireworks or something exploding before the AN, no way him and the phone would have survived that close.


That first explosion did not look like a firework at all. They were the normal white flashes.

Munition of some sort? Rumors going around that they had confiscaded weapons there
The first real explosion that ended the video from the room full of AN was white-yellow and was so fast. Burned clean . What the heck was that?

Maybe this should just be left alone. World be a better place if everyone believes it was accident.



Munition of some sort? There were rumors they had confiscated munitions but who knows. There literally could have been anything else stored there with the AN. Compressed gas cylinders, fuels and solvents, who knows. I agree tho the twitter video you linked had to be something a bit more hefty then fireworks.
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[*] posted on 7-8-2020 at 10:34


Power lines in fires are a pretty good source of bright white flashes too.

All the people who are saying that "just fireworks" don't cause explosions clearly don't know what they are on about.
This is what happens if you set fire to a shipping container with 6 tons of fireworks (and that's what you would expect in a warehouse at a port).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F55r0JL_lTQ
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[*] posted on 7-8-2020 at 21:06


Just fire can set off AN.
Smaller explosions may have been smaller portions of AN detonating before the whole thing went up.
Given that I would expect other confiscated goods to be stored in the same warehouse there is no telling what was there. It could have been actual bombs that got caught being smuggled or fireworks or counterfeit purses, and chances are the records went up with the warehouse.
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[*] posted on 8-8-2020 at 02:34


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNDhIGR-83w
Fireworks and AN were stored in the same warehouse. It could have been intentional...




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[*] posted on 8-8-2020 at 03:55


Quote: Originally posted by simply RED  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNDhIGR-83w
Fireworks and AN were stored in the same warehouse. It could have been intentional...

In general, given a choice between assuming something is a cockup or a conspiracy, it's usually safe to assume someone screwed up.

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[*] posted on 8-8-2020 at 05:08


aka Hanlon’s Razor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon’s_razor


Quote: Originally posted by unionised  
Quote: Originally posted by simply RED  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNDhIGR-83w
Fireworks and AN were stored in the same warehouse. It could have been intentional...

In general, given a choice between assuming something is a cockup or a conspiracy, it's usually safe to assume someone screwed up.

[Edited on 8-8-20 by unionised]
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[*] posted on 9-8-2020 at 18:58


New angle uploaded today.

4K footage of Lebanon explosion shows Beirut Port blast unfolding in slow motion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-vGkIKxGAg

Watched it full screen its sharp.

Someone made a compilation set to music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-vGkIKxGAg


There is probably tons more video but I don't think they have any working cell towers left in Beirut for people to be posting things on You Tube right now.
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[*] posted on 11-8-2020 at 04:15


It's really hard not to think these are fireworks popping off before the main explosion.
NH4NO3 will give off gasses before blowing up (if it ever does) that could have worsened the fire.

Good luck to the forensics team. Science and politics are not miscible under normal conditions.




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[*] posted on 11-8-2020 at 05:38


Yeah, i no way do I think this was an attack or sabotage. Improperly stored materials in a developing nation is not something that should surprise anybody. As @plastics mentioned, seems like a classic Hanlon's Razor. Really the only folks who are dug into this conspiracy behind it seem to be the one's attempting to inject conspiracy into literally every news story that drops every day. Our quest here is to be logical and to limit conjecture. Every expert account I've read that pyro_cat initially posted as well as others agree that the detonation was a classic AN detonation. What good is the attack speculation when there is literally no evidence other than some shady, grainy videos on youtube that hold about as much weight as the WTC videos?
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[*] posted on 11-8-2020 at 12:37


Yes, absolutely, Israel decides to nuke Beirut just for the gags of it, and best part of it, reveal it's neither acknowledged nor denied nuclear arsenal. So, let's see some radioactive residue from beirut. I suppose there are working particle detectors in Lebanon?

It is a well documented fact that AN can and will detonate in mass quantities when exposed to fire, heat and given sufficient time. If you have thousands of tons of it going off, it will make a big mess, even if it doesn't fully detonate, especially if it happens to occur in a middle of a city.

Considering it had an effective blast of over 1 kiloton, it has a surprisingly low body count Several orders of magnitude smaller charges have induced an order of magnitude higher casualties.

[Edited on 11-8-2020 by Fyndium]
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[*] posted on 12-8-2020 at 05:49


Quote: Originally posted by Fyndium  
Yes, absolutely, Israel decides to nuke Beirut just for the gags of it, and best part of it, reveal it's neither acknowledged nor denied nuclear arsenal. So, let's see some radioactive residue from beirut. I suppose there are working particle detectors in Lebanon?

It is a well documented fact that AN can and will detonate in mass quantities when exposed to fire, heat and given sufficient time. If you have thousands of tons of it going off, it will make a big mess, even if it doesn't fully detonate, especially if it happens to occur in a middle of a city.

Considering it had an effective blast of over 1 kiloton, it has a surprisingly low body count Several orders of magnitude smaller charges have induced an order of magnitude higher casualties.

[Edited on 11-8-2020 by Fyndium]


Exactly. The whole "everything is a conspiracy" is becoming a tired argument really quickly.
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[*] posted on 12-8-2020 at 14:19


Pure ammonium nitrate can explode, especially been heated (melted) in large quantities. No problem. The red color of the cloud after the explosion clearly indicates that it was pure ammonium nitrate (I mean, AN without a significant amount of some flammable components- coal, gasoline, and so on). Positive OB, guys. NOx arises under such conditions. BTW, once I was able to initiate the mix AN + Al with a small charge of homemade black powder.



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[*] posted on 12-8-2020 at 18:06


Quote: Originally posted by Fyndium  
Yes, absolutely, Israel decides to nuke Beirut just for the gags of it, and best part of it, reveal it's neither acknowledged nor denied nuclear arsenal. So, let's see some radioactive residue from beirut. I suppose there are working particle detectors in Lebanon?

It is a well documented fact that AN can and will detonate in mass quantities when exposed to fire, heat and given sufficient time. If you have thousands of tons of it going off, it will make a big mess, even if it doesn't fully detonate, especially if it happens to occur in a middle of a city.

Considering it had an effective blast of over 1 kiloton, it has a surprisingly low body count Several orders of magnitude smaller charges have induced an order of magnitude higher casualties.

[Edited on 11-8-2020 by Fyndium]
I agree with all of that except the part about needing particle detectors to prove or disprove if it was nuclear.

Here's a link to a survey of fallout patterns for 2 separate 1.2kT nuclear bursts, one laid on the ground surface (same one I linked a video of in a previous post) and one buried 17ft underground. It's a 13ish mb file, so I didn't upload it. Note on 14 and 15 of the document, there is a map of the contamination for the surface burst, showing the area exposed to 100r/hr an hour after initiation. The area extends about 300 meters upwind of ground zero, and about 3.5km downwind in a strip about 500m across. Note that a person who ignorantly stayed in this area until the worst of the fallout had dissipated (e.g. a week or two) would accumulate about 5x that dose.

The attached document, chapter 8 of Glasstone and Dolan's Effects of Nuclear Weapons, shows that a nuclear device will also create an instantaneous pulse of radiation when it goes off.This is separate from the contamination effects, and figure 8.33a (page 10 of the document) shows 300r of initial radiation at about 800m from a single kiloton device.

For reference, 100r will cause obvious symptoms of radiation poisoning, and 500r is often fatal within in a few weeks.

TL;DR? If a low kiloton nuke had gone off in Beirut, more people would be dying from radiation than from the heat or force of the blast itself.We'd be looking at a few thousand people with distinctive radiation sickness symptoms at a minimum.


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[*] posted on 12-8-2020 at 22:09


Who put the fireworks together with the AN in the same warehouse is most to blame...



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[*] posted on 14-8-2020 at 23:51


Quote: Originally posted by simply RED  
Who put the fireworks together with the AN in the same warehouse is most to blame...


Well, all of them - at least 7 batches of explosives - were confiscated because they were dangerous at the hands of whoever held them.

Just because government confiscates stuff because it is dangerous in private hands does not mean the stuff stops being dangerous when it is in government hands.

Government has just one dangerous goods warehouse, too small for the loads of dangerous goods confiscated from people? Fine, then there is not enough space to stop fires from spreading, and the whole warehouse goes up in a chain of explosions.
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