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[*] posted on 6-9-2020 at 16:59
Importing Lab Glassware into Canada


Hi, I'm just starting out my backyard lab and ordered a bunch of the standard lab glassware (Beakers, Erlenmeyer, RBFs, condenser and Vigreux columns, pipettes, test tubes) from Chinese suppliers and I'm wondering has any other forum member from Canada experienced issues with customs when importing glassware? I've read the cases of police surveillance or home visits are all in Australia or the US, wondering whether any fellow Canadian home chemists have experienced issues? Do Canadian police put you on a watch list for simply ordering glassware? I read up on our import laws and nowhere does it say that glassware is a prohibited item, but seeing how many fellow forum members have had issues with the police in other countries, I want to know what it's like in Canada.

Also, does the CBSA charge you heavy handling fees? I searched online and different sources vary in the amount of handling fees you have to pay, some say around $10-20 while one source said you needed to pay up to $80. I know you definitely have to pay import taxes and duties but how bad are the handling fees?
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[*] posted on 10-9-2020 at 10:36


I've been collecting glassware for nearly a year, mostly from China via ebay, and haven't had a problem yet.
There was one item - can't recall what it was but nothing specialist - that I found it strange that I had to sign for at the Post Office when it had been sent Economy Speedpak with no signature requested, but thus far everything has shown up and nobody's come a-knocking.
(Alberta, btw)
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[*] posted on 12-9-2020 at 14:36


I see, thanks!



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[*] posted on 12-9-2020 at 19:41


I have had no problems importing anything including lab glass into Canada. When I ordered my glass from China, the box was opened than closed nothing was even touched.

Have bought and imported reagents, glass, and other chemistry stuff with 0 hassle.
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[*] posted on 12-9-2020 at 23:29


Honestly what's wrong with the police coming by to check in? If you're not doing anything wrong everything will be fine.
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[*] posted on 13-9-2020 at 12:30


Quote: Originally posted by Deathunter88  
Honestly what's wrong with the police coming by to check in? If you're not doing anything wrong everything will be fine.


I cannot speak with regards to Canada, but I have two family members in law enforcement, one federal and the other county, and I can say with certainty that at least in the U.S., that statement is not always true.
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[*] posted on 2-10-2020 at 07:00


Quote: Originally posted by OldNubbins  
Quote: Originally posted by Deathunter88  
Honestly what's wrong with the police coming by to check in? If you're not doing anything wrong everything will be fine.


I cannot speak with regards to Canada, but I have two family members in law enforcement, one federal and the other county, and I can say with certainty that at least in the U.S., that statement is not always true.


In Canada from my experience it is. I have a friend who's had police come to his house thinking he was making meth or something, they looked through his lab notebook and realized the lab wasn't used for making drugs. Then they apologized and left. Though I'm not sure if that's the norm or not

Sort of to the original topic at hand, I've never had any problems importing glassware into Canada. Customs has opened some stuff, but everything ended up coming fine.

[Edited on 2-10-2020 by itsallgoodjames]
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[*] posted on 2-10-2020 at 09:13


Nilered in one of his videos mentionned that he had a call from RCMP and had to explain why he was importing such a large buchner funnel. I never had any issue importing glassware to Canada and it sure isn't illegal. But large glassware orders or something like a 5L round-bottom flask may attract attention. Just keep this in mind and you will be fine.

Quote: Originally posted by VancouverBackyardChemist  

Also, does the CBSA charge you heavy handling fees? I searched online and different sources vary in the amount of handling fees you have to pay, some say around $10-20 while one source said you needed to pay up to $80. I know you definitely have to pay import taxes and duties but how bad are the handling fees?


CBSA never asked me a single dollar because Chinese sellers always mark the item as "something totally unrelated to glassware" with a value of 10$. But keep in mind that CBSA will charge you the corresponding taxes, but this does not include brokerage fees. So, do not import anything using carriers such as Fedex, UPS, etc. The brockerage fees they charge are just ludicrous. Never had any issues with Canada Post.
Quote: Originally posted by Deathunter88  
Honestly what's wrong with the police coming by to check in? If you're not doing anything wrong everything will be fine.


I guess this depends on the country, but I would certainly not assume this in Canada. At least, not in the province where I live. Most people can't differentiate an organic synthesis from drug cookery. The first thing the police will assume is that we are operating a clandestine lab and YOU will have to justify that you are not. So, keep a lab notebook and avoid ordering things that could attract unecessary attention. Such as very large amount of glassware or importing Scheduled precursors such as red phosphorus


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[*] posted on 2-10-2020 at 09:37


The issue with the police is indeed that unless it is apparent that nothing illegal is going on, they can just seize EVERYTHING in order to play on the safe side and "prevent possible things from happening" and then after several months and destroying most of the stuff when "taking samples" conclude that a crime has not happened, you get it back. If you're VERY lucky, they get someone who is expertised on these matters and they quickly conclude that this chemistry stuff is not illegal.

You don't have to prove that you're not guilty, but they will start building a case and dig much deeper if you go the no comment path. Just showing a few logical facts that justifies what you appear, and they quickly drop the case.

The general procedure in my country is to use a vague warrant of "general danger" when dealing with stuff that could be a) a chemical, and b) that could be used for making anything that can be of harm to health or security of anyone and they will come with force and roll everything around. I know two guys who had this happen on them, the other one ordered a nitro group reagent that made the bomb dog interest to the parcel, and the other one was raided "because he ordered so much stuff". The reason I do not order any nitrate or nitro group stuff over borders is this exact reason, unless it's something I absolutely need and I'm prepared for a raid and ready to provide elaborate facts what for I ordered it and have absolutely nothing that could even remotely appear suspicious.

There was a breaking news header several years ago, when a drain cleaner leaked in an apartment and caused some irritation on someone's olfactory senses, and the building was evacuated and "the police investigated where the acid was obtained." My eyes literally rolled, like, they sell that stuff by the liter on the opposite store where this happened.

No matter how careful you are, sometime, somewhere there will be someone who thinks something's going on, and the big wheel starts rolling, and you better be prepared. I routinely do risk assessments when obtaining stuff not purchasable with cash from a store in order to figure out if someone could come asking something.

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[*] posted on 4-1-2021 at 10:58


Quote: Originally posted by VancouverBackyardChemist  
Hi, I'm just starting out my backyard lab and ordered a bunch of the standard lab glassware (Beakers, Erlenmeyer, RBFs, condenser and Vigreux columns, pipettes, test tubes) from Chinese suppliers and I'm wondering has any other forum member from Canada experienced issues with customs when importing glassware? I've read the cases of police surveillance or home visits are all in Australia or the US, wondering whether any fellow Canadian home chemists have experienced issues? Do Canadian police put you on a watch list for simply ordering glassware? I read up on our import laws and nowhere does it say that glassware is a prohibited item, but seeing how many fellow forum members have had issues with the police in other countries, I want to know what it's like in Canada.

Also, does the CBSA charge you heavy handling fees? I searched online and different sources vary in the amount of handling fees you have to pay, some say around $10-20 while one source said you needed to pay up to $80. I know you definitely have to pay import taxes and duties but how bad are the handling fees?
I have never had any fees from the CBSA or any issues. I do get occasional problems from Chinese customs though. tbh we are probably on a watchlist for having SM accounts. but in all honesty i am not sure if ordering lab supplies will land you on a list. i dont really care if im on a list bcs i am not doing anything wrong nor planning on doing anything wrong. but if i cant land a job or fly i would be super pissed.
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[*] posted on 4-1-2021 at 13:57


I ordered from these guys for my SM secret Santa 2020: https://alchemylabsupply.3dcartstores.com/myaccount.asp

As far as I know, it's quality and they worked nicely with me, california resident, to gift a package to a canadian resident. They are in Canada, and don't have to do customs inspections. Not sure how the price point compares, but I'm trying to give them as much advertising as possible, they made my life easy, and a decent Christmas for another member.

They are closed for today and back open tomorrow I guess.
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[*] posted on 9-4-2021 at 22:29


Ummm. Canadian authorities are paying attention to items shipped from China.

The last few years, there has been an epidemic of Fentanyl troubles in Vancouver.

Lots of dead people from ODs, etc. etc..

Guys were complaining that mail deliveries were being delayed, because Customs was inspecting, EVERY parcel from China.

I can't know what LE is thinking, but illicit domestic chemistry isn't their big problem right now.

The North American continent, is being drowned, by Methamphetamines and Opiates, from China and Mexico.



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[*] posted on 10-4-2021 at 01:04


I would think that ordering some small experiment size stuff does not interest them even a tiny bit, because the worst you could do is some minor quantities. But if you were ordering pallets of 20L flasks, mantles and other production scale stuff, someone might actually give a f* about it.
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