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Fyndium
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Issue with ordering third countries is they go through customs, while EU shipments are screened only in need or random basis.
Sometimes forensic analysis for chemicals mean they do a drug test on them and if they do not show up anything, they discard them or give them back
depending on circumstances. I know a case where there was a dozen of seized items described as "white powder" or "yellow liquid" or "brown mass" with
notation "test result: negative". They never knew what they were, and did not care. The guy even asked if they could analyze what one powder was
because he forgot what it was due to labels missing, but they told him to f* off.
I also'd be interested to hear what sentence you got, karlos³. I would presume that even in the less harsh parts of europe, minor amounts of upper
class drugs with notable amounts of precursors would get more than fines.
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karlos³
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Yeah I remember the case with Lippert Lehrmittel too, and later they've ruined Technikhandel Wendt's existence as well.
I got 3 years on probation for slightly less than what the law considers a large amount of amphetamine freebase.
The money fines hurt though, I had to pay the court session and the work of the forensics.
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Quote: Originally posted by karlos³  | Yeah I remember the case with Lippert Lehrmittel too, and later they've ruined Technikhandel Wendt's existence as well.
I got 3 years on probation for slightly less than what the law considers a large amount of amphetamine freebase.
The money fines hurt though, I had to pay the court session and the work of the forensics. |
The one thing I'd best most scared of would be that it's all left one one's CV for the rest of life. Not even the fines or probation, maybe not even a
couple of months in jail - being stigmatized by employers not for killing someone, hurting or destroying one's life, but for making yourself some drug
that makes you go *bhhawaahh*. Shaking my head, it's annoying. Glad you're with us, carl 
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Antigua, why would you put a sentence on your CV? Is that a thing?
I don't know how it works in other countries, but here the only thing an employer can ask for is a VOG, a declaration you are fit for a certain
profession.
The declaration is given out by the government and whether or not you get it depends on the profession you are applying for.
So you won't get a VOG for driving a taxi if you got caught for drunk driving but you wouldn't have a problem becoming a teacher. When you were
convicted for a drug related offense you can't work with minors for five years but driving a taxi wouldn't be problem.
Child abuse would obviously permanently exclude you from working with minors for example.
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Antigua
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I'm aware, what I meant is that many problems emerge (especially with education institutes like colleges or universities). Where I live, some HRs
check university workers for being sentenced. I might've exaggerated a bit - I'd just personally suffer a lot from stress in a moment when anyone
could percieve me as a criminal.
edit: Also what's this under Tsjerks post? 
[Edited on 29-11-2020 by Antigua]
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You're really showing your age, thats the AOL instant messenger 
A thing of the past now.
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In the US, pretty much any job application will require the applicant to state if they have ever been convicted of a felony. You’re legally
obligated to tell the truth, and it’s just a check box, binary choice, with no room to elaborate that it was only a personal drug offense and you
didn’t commit armed robbery or kill anyone. For many applicants, having to check that box is a death sentence for most jobs. You’ll already be
weeded out before they bother running a background check on you.
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That sucks! Quite unfair. Sounds counter productive as well, when someone is convicted, they can't get a job and go back into criminality...
Ah! So that is what Aim in the profile section is for... I filled out something there long ago to see what it is for. Now I know.
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I applied for two jobs after that.
I told them of that in both job interviews, in the one, they didn't took me because of that, and the other in turn took me because of that.
They actually found that interesting.
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Wow, that is unusual. I wonder whether it's anything chemistry related
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Texium
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tsjerk |
That sucks! Quite unfair. Sounds counter productive as well, when someone is convicted, they can't get a job and go back into criminality...
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Yes, unfortunately that is a commonly seen pattern here. Many small businesses are more conscientious and
forgiving of past indiscretions, so it’s certainly possible to catch a lucky break, but larger companies will often discard any applications from
felons unless they are for minimum wage jobs that nobody wants to do.
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It goes without saying don't do anything illegal and you have less issues.
Fortunately here they have made marijuana legal.
Possession of small quantities has been a misdemeanor in most of the US for decades but there are places with backwards policies like alabama.
That being said, if you get investigated because of a chemical purchase, you may beat the charge but not the ride.
Ie. you still have to go to jail and get bailed out, you still have to hire a lawyer, you still have to go to court, and if you live in a smaller
community the whole town will know your charges even if they are expunged. And it will be expensive and you aren't getting a dime of that money back.
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No, not that much.
It depends on how you've done it.
A friend of mine, sadly deceased now(google Olaf Lichtenberger) actually got a high paying job because of his lab being busted.
His supervisor actually was the great-grandson of one of the inventors of MDMA.
So it really depends.
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Antigua
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| Quote: Originally posted by karlos³ |
No, not that much.
It depends on how you've done it.
A friend of mine, sadly deceased now(google Olaf Lichtenberger) actually got a high paying job because of his lab being busted.
His supervisor actually was the great-grandson of one of the inventors of MDMA.
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Wow, Merck... I wish I could work there in the future. Always admired their ability of milking money out of gov and actually being helpful in some
sciences.
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There seems to be a lack of understanding about this matter. Internationally, regulations may differ, but in the USA Chemical suppliers are REQUIRED
to keep records of transactions, especially so, for listed chemicals.
Their Books are generally subjected to periodic LE inspections. AND, they are also required to report suspicious transactions.
Yes, you may buy from the Chinese, they don't report to anyone, and they generally don't care about other country's regulations.
But, your transactions are not invisible. Ebay has records of every purchase you ever made through them, and those records are instantly available to
LE, if they inquire. In fact, they may not need to inquire, they may have an open back-door.
Likewise Google, Amazon, etc... The giant on-line corporations, we deal with daily, care only about their own profits; not your privacy.
And, yes... There are "honey-pot" or "sting" operations out there, and some of the LE involved, may be totally unscrupulous.
Be cautious in your undertakings. Different jurisdictions, have slightly different laws, and you should probably know your local regulations. That
way, you can avoid creating trouble for yourself.
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