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Anthranilic Acid
Making anthranilic acid is a long process starting from diethylhexyl phthalate. At my local Home Depot, they sell methyl anthranilate as a bird
repellent, and I can find it off ebay too. A simple saponification makes the anthranilic acid. Also, I don't plan on doing anything illegal if I do
try to get anthranilic acid.
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Texium
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This is a statement.
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Triflic Acid
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@ Texium What do you mean?
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I think he means (in a polite way) that you could as well have kept that to yourself since nobody gives a shit
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Texium
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No need to be rude, Steve.
What I meant was that you didn’t ask any sort of question in your post, although it seems like maybe there is one hiding in there. If so, please be
direct about it rather than making us guess what you’re wanting to hear. If not, well, Steve is not entirely wrong.
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Maybe I should reword. Is there a reason that I didn't find anything about getting anthranilic acid this way on SS? Or is it just my bad searching
skills?
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best UTFSE here is site:sciencemadness.org <search term> in a google search bar. on-site search sucks rocks.
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Is this a rhetorical question?
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I would expect the saponification to work just fine. I think the reason that it isn't typically employed is because these bird repellant products are
expensive and are not pure methyl anthranilate. I don't know if it's the same product that you have seen, but the "Bird Stop" that I saw on Home
Depot's website is a whopping $90 per gallon, and only contains 26% methyl anthranilate. Who knows what else is the balance.
The synthesis from phthalic anhydride is dependable, cheap, and fun if you can obtain phthalic anhydride directly rather than using gloves. The other
reagents required, urea, sodium hydroxide, and hypochlorite, are also readily available and inexpensive. All of the reagents, as well as the
intermediate phthalimide, are useful for many things in organic synthesis, so the synthesis is extremely worthwhile.
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@ Texium I was looking at Bird Stop too. Buying it in bulk might make it economical. On another note, ebay sells methyl anthranilate: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p23862...
But at the end of the day, I think the phalate route is best.
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Quote: Originally posted by Texium (zts16)  | No need to be rude, Steve.
What I meant was that you didn’t ask any sort of question in your post, although it seems like maybe there is one hiding in there. If so, please be
direct about it rather than making us guess what you’re wanting to hear. If not, well, Steve is not entirely wrong. |
Well, I give a shit. I was pleasantly surprised to find out that Home Depot sells methyl anthranilate. Steve was being rude.
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I never knew that stuff is used as bird repellant?
If the smell of grapes repels birds, then how comes that they still plunder the majority of grapes until they got ripe? 
Maybe the birds it repels are a different kind than those stealing all the grapes, or what...?
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Apperantly methyl anthranilate binds pain receptors in the avian trigeminal nerve.
Something similar happens with capsaicin, birds are not effected by it while mammals are. This aids in the dispersal of the pepper seeds, as birds
won't damage the seeds by chewing on them while for example mammals would.
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My apologies for being lazy and not searching that out myself, and thank you very much Tsjerk.
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| Quote: Originally posted by karlos³ | I never knew that stuff is used as bird repellant?
If the smell of grapes repels birds, then how comes that they still plunder the majority of grapes until they got ripe?
Maybe the birds it repels are a different kind than those stealing all the grapes, or what...? |
Methyl anthranilate acts as an insect repellent too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insect_repellent
I doubt that it is very effective, but I didn't try it myself so maybe I'm wrong.
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