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[*] posted on 11-6-2011 at 20:05
Red and Yellow Phosporus on eBay...


I just noticed that a guy was selling a small sample (it says 1 to 2 grams) of each. The asking price is pretty high $50 USD.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=25083...

He also is selling a 30g hunk of Na for $71 USD.
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[*] posted on 11-6-2011 at 20:14


Is selling phosphorus even legal in the US?



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[*] posted on 11-6-2011 at 20:30


I wouldnt do it... Its sad when we live in a day and age where purchasing an ELEMENT feels unsafe from a legal standpoint... not a chemical danger standpoint... I would be careful.. :(
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[*] posted on 11-6-2011 at 22:07


i wouldnt take it man phosphorus is highly watched by the dea for its purpose in making meth, i agree with mailinmypocket its a sad time we live in

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[*] posted on 11-6-2011 at 22:58


a.) Are you making drugs?
b.) Are you making a mini chemical weapon?

If you answered no to both of these and want the phosphorus, buy it.

Buying phosphorus is not a criminal offence.




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[*] posted on 11-6-2011 at 23:09


Quote: Originally posted by peach  
a.) Are you making drugs?
b.) Are you making a mini chemical weapon?

If you answered no to both of these and want the phosphorus, buy it.

Buying phosphorus is not a criminal offence.


Regardless, you still risk being very harassed by the police. I have never seen anything saying it is an offense but with the paranoia and stories I've heard I don't think that would stop the FBI from sending someone to your door. Its only 2g, and it is ebay, don't think they monitor ebay a lot, so maybe its ok, but I'm not sure I would risk it unless you really need some phosphorus.




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[*] posted on 12-6-2011 at 00:10


Try it and let us know. I could use phosphorus for my element collection



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[*] posted on 12-6-2011 at 02:54


For small amounts of red phosphorus, it is better to use sources like cap gun pellets using Armstrong's mixture than to risk buying it online.



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[*] posted on 12-6-2011 at 06:57
Another weird thing...


At the bottom of the eBay pages there are often lab supply places that get generated by your eBay selection. While checking this listing there were a couple that sold a small number of chems, one of which was RP. I believe 100g was just under $50 USD. Two places did that and they had pretty similar websites. It seemed pretty strange.

I guess it all goes back to "Buyer Beware"
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[*] posted on 16-6-2011 at 11:12


On behalf of the American public, I have rudely instigated myself as the international phosphorus awareness ambassador and attempted to contact the DEA themselves regarding the matter.

I was also concerned that a link to the more detailed overview of controlled materials on their site didn't seem to be functioning the last time I checked it - making it quite difficult for the American public themselves to become aware of any licenses they need carry on their journey through chemtropia.

I await reply by carrier pigeon.




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[*] posted on 16-6-2011 at 11:54
From La DEA


Chemical Control Actions - 2000

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[Federal Register: September 25, 2000 (Volume 65, Number 186)]
[Proposed Rules]
[Page 57577-57581]
From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
[DOCID:fr25se00-25]

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DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

Drug Enforcement Administration

21 CFR Part 1310

[DEA Number 198P]
RIN 1117-AA57

Control of Red Phosphorus, White Phosphorus and
Hypophosphorous Acid (and Its Salts) as List I Chemicals

AGENCY: Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Justice.

ACTION: Notice of Proposed Rulemaking.

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SUMMARY: The Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control
Act (hereinafter the "Controlled Substances Act'' or "CSA'')
provides the Attorney General with the authority to specify by
regulation, additional chemicals as "List I'' chemicals if they are
used in the manufacture of a controlled substance in violation of
the CSA and are important to the manufacture of the controlled
substance. Because of their use and importance in the illicit
manufacture of methamphetamine, a Schedule II controlled
substance, the DEA is proposing the addition of red phosphorus,
white phosphorus (also known as yellow phosphorus) and
hypophosphorous acid (and its salts) as List I chemicals.

Continued at —

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/fed_regs/rules/2000/fr0925...



[Federal Register Volume 76, Number 106 (Thursday, June 2, 2011)]
[Rules and Regulations]
[Pages 31824-31831]
From the Federal Register Online via the Government Printing Office [www.gpo.gov]
[FR Doc No: 2011-13686]

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DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

Drug Enforcement Administration

21 CFR Part 1310

[Docket No. DEA-228F]

RIN 1117-AA66

Chemical Mixtures Containing Listed Forms of Phosphorus and Change in Application Process

AGENCY: Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Department of Justice.

ACTION: Final rule.

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SUMMARY: This rulemaking finalizes a June 25, 2010, notice of
proposed rulemaking in which DEA proposed regulations which
establish those chemical mixtures containing red phosphorus or
hypophosphorous acid and its salts (hereinafter ``regulated
phosphorus'') that shall automatically qualify for exemption from
the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) regulatory controls. Chemical
mixtures containing red phosphorus in a concentration of 80
percent or less and mixtures containing hypophosphorous acid and
its salts (hypophosphite salts) in a concentration of 30 percent and
less, shall qualify for automatic exemption. DEA is not
implementing automatic exemption for any concentration of
chemical mixtures containing white phosphorus (also known as
yellow phosphorus). Unless otherwise exempted, all material
containing white phosphorus shall become subject to CSA chemical
regulatory controls regardless of concentration.

Continued at —
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/fed_regs/rules/2011/fr0602...

Run phosphorus through their search engine.

For real excitement - search for iodine!
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[*] posted on 16-6-2011 at 18:10


The listing has been removed.



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[*] posted on 16-6-2011 at 19:18


http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/fed_regs/rules/2007/fr0702...

No iodine crystals!! Too bad you can synthesize it from iodide, an acid, and hydrogen peroxide, otherwise they might be controlling it

EDIT: Hahaha! http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/mtgs/chem_industry/conf_20... They discuss extraction of iodine from Betadine ( iodophors) and it says ' Continued heating of solid in presence of cold surface (cold finger , condenser)

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[*] posted on 17-6-2011 at 00:20


Quote: Originally posted by redox  
The listing has been removed.


"Unless otherwise exempted, all material
containing white phosphorus shall become subject to CSA chemical
regulatory controls regardless of concentration."

That'll probably be why. Maybe he'd have had a better chance minus the white phosphorus.

The DEA seems most concerned with methamphetamine, who's producers would be after red.

Most of the uses I can think of white phosphorus being controlled for and not red would be related to chemical weapons; or just using it directly as it is as a weapon. That would fall under the remit of the ATF or FBI right?




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[*] posted on 17-6-2011 at 01:01
Being listed doesn't mean you can't buy it...


The listings put record keeping/reporting requirements on sellers, not buyers. Each Listed item has a threshold quantity. Any sales above that level must be recorded on the appropriate DEA form. And, of course, they want to be notified of any sale that the seller deems "suspicious".

So the bottom line has pretty much been explained here. You can buy it; assuming you find a chemical supply place that will sell it to you. But you may well find yourself under some level of DEA/local LE scrutiny.

I had a two instances where I'm pretty sure I go checked out by the DEA. The 1st was when I visited the one chem supply place in town.

Prior to my visit I called and asked about a few chemicals (stuff to make rocket propellant) as well as availabilty and prices on some simple lab stuff (beakers, pH paper, etc.). When my son and I went there; the store's one employee waited on me. There was another guy, in business casual; sitting behind the counter, but having nothing to do with us. After a few minutes he left. At that point the employee said: "He's a DEA guy." At which point I thought, but didn't say: "Who was here because you're a fu**ing snitch who happily ratted me out before you even met me." I don't do any business with them.

So I started to buy stuff on eBay. At 1st I bought a flask here, beaker there; as prices warranted. Then up popped a large collection of glassware; so I got it at a good price. Not long after it's delivery I noticed a very Fed'sh looking car parked by our house. There's about 200m of nothing between our house and the next one so it's pretty easy to notice someone on our road. And it's a deadend road in a small town. The car stayed for a few minutes then drove off. I assume it was a DEA guy checking to see if it looked like a place that might be running some kind of drug lab. I guess we didn't; I didn't see or hear of anything after that.

Buyer beware it is.
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[*] posted on 17-6-2011 at 02:24


Ha ha!

Well, at least they're making it obvious they're there. And, if they didn't bother you, they can't be all that concerned about what you're up to.

Look at this way, it's better the possible DEA guy was sat there, had a listen to the conversation and then left than the store sold a massive bomb making kit to some loony. Not many people like spiders, but they rarely do any harm and get rid of the disease carrying flies.




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[*] posted on 18-6-2011 at 11:00


You can buy 100g of sodium per 20 Eur from http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/synthetiq&ssPageName=STRK:MEFS... Just ask for it. She also have potassium, 100g 90 Eur.
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[*] posted on 18-6-2011 at 17:24


You are better off making it by distilling pee...

Seroiusly, NEVER buy stuff like this.




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[*] posted on 18-6-2011 at 20:28


I tried buying red phosphorus from the DEA 3 times and each time they never sent me anything and I had to file with Paypal to get my money back.
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=10419&...

But seriously as long as you don't intend on manufacturing a controlled substance you can buy pretty much anything.

[Edited on 19-6-2011 by anotheronebitesthedust]
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