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[*] posted on 16-7-2011 at 10:20


NASA seems to believe it is a working prototype:

http://pesn.com/2011/05/31/9501837_Cold-Fusion_Number-1_Clai...

However they have disputed the mechanism claming it is in fact Beta-decay. A new theory called the 'Widom Larsen' theory.

Interesting stuff regardless of whether its BS.
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[*] posted on 16-7-2011 at 12:09


http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2010/35/SR35913widomlarsen...

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/WL/WLTheory.shtml

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/books/2011Wiley/2011Wiley.shtml


Very interesting.




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[*] posted on 1-3-2012 at 17:23
Nickel proton fusion


I have been trying to source nickel ingots or nickel anything
for some time. during the time i read up on Edison's Nickel Iron battery and wanted nickel even more to build a large NiFe battery.


Then I started reading about the Nickel powder hydrogen fusion buzz on the net... i didnt see a post here but have to say it looks interesting. tunneling effect fusion, cold fusion what ever you
call it ,sono resonance fusion is alive!

The best primer for the potential energy of this nuclear transmutation
can be found here

http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/04/how-can-30-of-nickel-in-ros...


Each transformation of Ni58 into Cu63 releases 37.36MeV of nuclear energy.


Not too bad, i mean id take 200 MeV fission if i had thorium on the brain,, but 37 MeV ill take it....
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[*] posted on 1-3-2012 at 19:17


Quote: Originally posted by aaparatuss  
The best primer for the potential energy of this nuclear transmutation
can be found here
The Rossi reactor was discussed here last year. Seek and ye shall find.
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[*] posted on 6-3-2012 at 15:15


Bullshit.



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[*] posted on 7-3-2012 at 06:21


yeah dont waste your time on this..if your into fusion check out

1 the laws of physics
2 the Farnsworth fusor
3 the Polywell

all of the above can be easyli found on wikipedia




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[*] posted on 7-3-2012 at 21:27


detritus anyone?



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[*] posted on 8-3-2012 at 16:47


Quantum tunnelling refers to the quantum mechanical phenomenon where a particle tunnels through a barrier that it classically could not surmount.


would you deny the laws of physics ?


I played with the fusor back in college
and would rather have a
Thermo Scientific MP 320 Neutron Generator then a polywell

Im not saying this is not a hoax, Im leaning more toward hoax

but i dont just drink tang and think that all data is not controverted and or hidden from the general population


If something was out there that would change the game, do you think it would be freely released. Or would it covered up?



thank you watson.fawkes for posting the only meaningful response





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[*] posted on 8-3-2012 at 17:50


Quote: Originally posted by aaparatuss  
Quantum tunnelling refers to the quantum mechanical phenomenon where a particle tunnels through a barrier that it classically could not surmount.

Yeah, an <em>energy</em> barrier. And your attempted point is...? By the way, have you heard of punctuation? Your posts have been difficult, if not impossible to understand without it.

In addition, I could make neither heads nor tails of the link you posted. Nor could I make any sense of the <a href="http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/01/focardi-and-rossi-lenr-cold-fusion-demo.html" target="_blank">gibberish</a> <img src="../scipics/_ext.png" /> that is linked to from that page. This seems like the familiar data confusion and circumvention of the established scientific peer-reviewed publishing system played by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Richter" target="_blank">Ronald Richter</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> & <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Per%C3%B3n" target="_blank">Juan PerĂ³n</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> and later by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion#Fleischmann.E2.80.93Pons_experiment" target="_blank">Pons & Fleischmann</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> . They will regret it. This is either a case of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_science" target="_blank">pathalogical science</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> or of intentional deception. If you believe they've accomplished cold fusion between Ni and H, I've got several litres of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywater" target="_blank">Polywater</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> I'd like to sell you.

If you want to get someone to beleive in something, the best tactic is to confuse the shit out of them, then tell them what you want them to beleive in. It works <em>every</em> time 95% of the time. <em>e.g.</em> creation

<strong>neptunium</strong>: If not detritus, it should be appended to the <a href="viewthread.php?tid=16956">original thread</a>, and thrown into Whimsy.

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[*] posted on 10-12-2012 at 21:41


This e-cat has been cooking for a while now

http://shutdownrossi.com/
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[*] posted on 11-12-2012 at 19:52
neutrinos


The main issue with LENR is the the neutrinos. It is very conceivable to see a proton reabsorbing an electron and the proper neutrino to form a neutron with large cross section.

Palladium and nickel lattices seem to facilitate monoatomic hydrogen formation. Added vibrational energy will get electrons in the right "mode"

But the neutrinos have such a low interaction probability.

How do you get them ready? This is why cold fusion only feebly sorta maybe kinda works....

The secrete formula hides in advanced mathematics
pauli spin matrices
the dirac eqaution
Riemannian geometry

or
keanu reeves from chain reaction...:)









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[*] posted on 16-12-2012 at 00:20


Is the E-Cat real or fake? I don't know only his hairdresser knows for sure. Right now I don't care about that something more interesting has caught my eye. But it needs one of you Uber-Chemists to answer. I was thinking to myself that James A. Patterson got a patent: System for electrolysis 5494559, in what is basically a clever way (not considering the CF validity, just the chemistry) which is by giving it the title of an electrochemical cell. What interested me was the novel way to produce metal hydrides. Does this method look like an interesting fairly easy way to make your own metal hydrides? What does anyone think?

If unlike him trying to reduce hydride creation we were to look at this and do the opposite: "uniform metallic support plating having a high hydrogen diffusion rate and a low hydride formation ratio", would we have a neat home hacker route to producing metal hydrides?


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[*] posted on 16-12-2012 at 01:16


Yeah, but isn't reabsorbing electrons, it needs em moving up the valence shells to create an "attractive" target to draw in a neutron to form the next ion up the chain.

No neutrinos have been observed in any of the experiments.
Rossi, defkalion, Brillouin, or the guy using the wire.

They are saying the only thing emitted is heat as a phonon that remains in the lattice, and helium , which circulates with the stream.
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[*] posted on 16-12-2012 at 15:23


the more i read about this the less i think its serious....too much secrets...reminds me of the charlatans of the late 19th century, claiming they could cure old age and predict the future!! only now they are using the internet,....no diference



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[*] posted on 26-5-2013 at 17:37


If it's a trick it's the best I've seen. Only a tesla transmitter could power this
remotely if it's a fake.

http://phys.org/news/2013-05-rossi-e-cat-energy-density-high...

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_A._Rossi_Cold_...


The device it is claimed has not ever produced less than 6 times the input energy.
Instances of up to 400 times more output than input , produced explosions. The
tested system outputs 20 times. For powering vehicles an E - cat can make steam
for an open cycle engine. Energy efficiency of such a mechanism is not much better
than 11 % , compared to internal combustion at better than 25 % . To be an
alternative to existing engines , it needs to produce equal power for the same size ,
but the E - cat will produce 3 times the waste heat of an internal combustion engine
of equal rating. Of the 20 times output , thermodynamic loss of 89 % in operation ,
leaves 2.2 times. If the exhaust can serve to recycle back to power the E - cat ,
then 2.2 times is for actual net work for moving the vehicle.
Lets suppose the heat output is improved to operate reliably at 6o times input. That
leaves 6.6 times for actual net work , but the thermodynamics of the open cycle
engine remain unchanged. Power equal to that of an internal combustion engine
remains constant , as is the lower efficiency of the open cycle alternative engine.
Unless a thermodynamic cycle can be conjured to provide significant improvement
in overall efficiency , the 3 times greater waste heat factor is built in to this energy
source as applied to prime movers , regardless the size and output of the E - cat
itself. You can see what I mean if you assign a value of 100 kilowatts to each of the
squares below. ◘ .
* Note : A horse power is 746 watts. Maximum power is not needed continuously
but is required on demand for acceleration.


E - cat & steam engine . . . . . . 2000 kilowatts
Power ~ 11 % . . . . . . . . Waste 1800 kilowatts
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Internal combustion engine . . . 800 kilowatts
Power ~ 25 % . . . . . . . . .Waste 600 kilowatts
◘◘ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ◘◘◘◘◘◘


In densely populated urban areas this added heat will affect
ambient comfort during summer.

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[Edited on 27-5-2013 by franklyn]
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[*] posted on 27-5-2013 at 02:20


There are already commercial neutron sources that use cold fusion, accelerating deuterons at a tritium target. Some of them use a direct voltage potential of only 300kV. These devices actually emit somewhat more energy than they consume, but of course cannot generate power because of the inefficiency of converting the neutron radiation back to electric current. The Farnsworth fusor operates at significantly lower voltage and can create hazardous neutron levels (though I doubt it can break even on energy).

So cold fusion has already been in existence, just not the type of cold fusion that can generate power.
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[*] posted on 27-6-2014 at 00:47


Cold fusion , which it's detractors assert , does not exist , is non-the-less moving ahead to commercial application.
A brief summary of the denounced E-Cat _
http://youtu.be/LHXc7NNMiWo?t=24m30s
Nasa sponsored investigation of metal hydride fusion
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxeKeuh_2Bw
In far greater detail _
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_A._Rossi_Cold_...
http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913
Experimental results of the last few years
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VymhJCcNBBc

Relevant links _
www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/industrial-heat-has-acquire...
http://cherokeechallenge.com/team
http://ecat.com/ecat-technology

The best part is that as energy consumers become decentralized energy producers , it spells the end of the New World Order Cult's megalo-authoritarian centralization which has corrupted so many our civilization's institutions.
P.S.
To the willfully stupid , keep it up , soon the world will have no use for you.

Regardless if an evil bastard closes a thread _
www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=11102&pag...
There are plenty of other related threads
www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=6078

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