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[*] posted on 23-1-2012 at 20:41


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/23/iran-oil-embargo...
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[*] posted on 23-1-2012 at 21:40


The USA also used an oil embargo to provoke the war with Japan prior to the bombing of the naval base in Hawaii. I hope this does not mean the USA wants to occupy Iran.

Hopefully in the age of the internet, the American public will not be so gullible to believe everything that is spewed out by their media.
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[*] posted on 24-1-2012 at 10:34


With India moving gold through Turkey to pay for oil, and others very close to the same, the feds will be forced to re-think their plans to keep the world on the dollars. Which really isn't about dollars in the sense of a world standard but being able to print the world's reserve currency without feeling the inflation locally, (or at least attempting to, while dodging food riots, economically driven revolutions, etc..)
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[*] posted on 24-1-2012 at 10:40



Did I hear correctly that Sadam was seriously thinking about selling his oil in some other currency some time before the invasion?
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[*] posted on 24-1-2012 at 20:07


http://seekingalpha.com/article/320564-it-is-not-all-clear-i...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/321494-why-you-should-be-tak...
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[*] posted on 24-1-2012 at 21:54


Quote: Originally posted by dann2  

Did I hear correctly that Saddam was seriously thinking about selling his oil in some other currency some time before the invasion?

And Gaddafi. Surprisingly, wikipedia even admits that.
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[*] posted on 29-1-2012 at 17:27


This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, but it is entertaining...
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articl...

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[*] posted on 29-1-2012 at 20:26


Interesting article.

I have been "amazed" at how inept the terrorist attacks in the USA have been since 9/11.
With hundreds of millions of Muslims that hate America and want us dead, you
would think they would be able to find a couple that could blow up an airplane.
They are quite good at blowing each other to bits in Iraq.

Airport security has been completely reactive. An idiot puts a bomb in his shoe,
now we have to take off our shoes. Next they try a liquid explosive and as a result
we can no longer carry bottles on to the plane. The first sucessful high explosive was
a liquid. You would think TSA could have figured that one out without a terrorist actually trying it.

So where are all the terrorists? Is the CIA catching all the "good ones" and not telling anyone or is Islam really the religion of peace and the war on terror just another scheme to squeeze money out of the taxpayer?

I wonder how many analysts are assigned to reading Science Madness?
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[*] posted on 29-1-2012 at 21:53


They'll only hate Americans and want to kill them as much as Americans hate and kill them...Over the years it has inflicted magnitudes more suffering and destruction on the world than any terrorist organization. And for what? Not to defend ourselves from invasion, not to spread liberty, that's for sure.

It is so sad that millions of people guilty of only gullibilty will pay the price for the upper 1% who gained control of over half of the wealth of the nation (or world) by cruelty as pure as any human has ever inflicted on another. Of course this is not unique to America, they've just made a profession out of it.

Oh I'm sure at least one from each agency is keeping tabs. I wish they'd post their side of the story, it would be most fascinating. Don't worry though, even if there was a threat here, it seems their warnings would likely fall on deaf ears.

Edit:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO .... how could anyone possibly distrust or dislike the US government???


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A word to the wise: NEUROFEEDBACK

http://citizenworks.org/corp/dg/s2r1.pdf
http://www.newscientist.com/mobile/article/mg21228354.500-re...
http://www.shadowstats.com/article/no-414-hyperinflation-spe...

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[*] posted on 30-1-2012 at 10:51


One need not resort to necromancy to foretell the interim outlook
it's in plain view for anyone to see.

30 year U.S. Treasury bonds now pay ~ 3 percent
10 year U.S. Treasuries pay ~ 2 percent

For every basis point ( 1/100 of one percent ) increase
in the interest rate, Federal debt service increases by
~ $ 1,5 billion.

Federal Reserve stated policy since 2011 has proclaimed
an interest rate ceiling to curb the Federal deficit.

A decrease in interest rate elevates the value and price of
all bonds.
The Federal Reserve has paid back it's record profits to
the U.S. treasury
$ 81.7 billion profit in 2010
$ 76.9 billion profit in 2011
why would it deliberately devalue it's balance sheet having
carefully compiled it.

Raised interest rates make U.S. Treasuries more desirable
than European sovereign bonds, decreasing Europe's liquidity;
that raises their interest rates and risk of default which
endangers American banks.

U.S. bond rates must decline as European bond interest rates
drop to maintain their debt solvent.

There is no where for interest rates to go except down
if they do not remain the same.

_________________________________________


Joe Terranova, chief market strategist, Virtus Investment Partners

Terranova doesn’t understand why so many retail investors tune
out the bond market, if it’s only a matter of learning the basics.
" Historically, Treasury's lead the stock market; they’re a reliable
barometer for anticipating where the equity market is going to be
three months from now,” Terranova says, “ If you begin to see
Treasury yields decline, that means there is something out there
that is concerning. Big investors are moving money into Treasury's
to seek out safety.”

Trader: Steve Cortes, founder of Veracruz

Steve Cortes watches the action in the bond market like a hawk ,
and low yields last April convinced him that the bull market rally
was not sustainable. “ Somebody's got to be wrong, and I believe
it's going to be the equities,” he said at the time. “ I'm betting
against stocks by shorting the Nasdaq.”

_________________________________________


http://themarketshadow.blogspot.com/2011/09/fed-were-going-t...
Wednesday, September 21, 2011

" The Fed says they are going to add to long bonds and sell short term bonds.
The 30 year rates closed at 2.97% today and the 10 year closed at 1.84%.
That means that the US government refinances big chunks of debt at below
3% for 30 years ?

How about those crazy guys. What masterful job of manipulation. They got
the whole world to sell US bonds and US dollars and buy foreign bonds in
foreign currencies. ( MF Global )
Whoops, the world is on the wrong side of the trade and was sucker punched "

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http://seekingalpha.com/article/322818-george-soros-bet-on-i...
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Granville

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-23/granville-says-dow-...
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/84758540

http://seekingalpha.com/article/322758-3-reasons-the-bull-ma...

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Over valuation of U.S. equities
http://seekingalpha.com/article/325182-monday-market-momentu...
" the U.S. is unique in that we actually own far more equities than we have assets - by 42%.
So, even in stock interest - the U.S. is running a tremendous net deficit with the rest of the world."
" So now, the valuations are moving towards more rational levels because there simply
IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN THE WORLD to support the prices we were paying for things
and now it seems like an emergency, TO US, to do something to re-inflate global equities."


http://advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Market-Valuati...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46186634
http://www.cnbc.com/id/46187625
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38451750

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[*] posted on 30-1-2012 at 22:31


Oliver Hardy to Stan Laurel
" another fine mess you've gotten us into "

How the repeal of the Glass - Steagall act enabled the reckless banking practices
that precipitated the crash in 2008 and 2009

This is an hour long report, very worth while viewing.
http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-how-big-banks-are-re...

Further reading
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/wallstreet/wei...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act

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[*] posted on 3-2-2012 at 10:42


Quote: Originally posted by 497  
They'll only hate Americans and want to kill them as much as Americans hate and kill them...Over the years it has inflicted magnitudes more suffering and destruction on the world than any terrorist organization. And for what? Not to defend ourselves from invasion, not to spread liberty, that's for sure.

It is so sad that millions of people guilty of only gullibilty will pay the price for the upper 1% who gained control of over half of the wealth of the nation (or world) by cruelty as pure as any human has ever inflicted on another. Of course this is not unique to America, they've just made a profession out of it.

Oh I'm sure at least one from each agency is keeping tabs. I wish they'd post their side of the story, it would be most fascinating. Don't worry though, even if there was a threat here, it seems their warnings would likely fall on deaf ears.

Edit:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO .... how could anyone possibly distrust or dislike the US government???


[Edited on 30-1-2012 by 497]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf1Vt6r-sj8

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[*] posted on 3-2-2012 at 11:30


" Only the little people pay taxes "
_ Leona Helmsley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leona_Helmsley

Observations on tax evasion by Morgan Housel

The biggest contributor to the budget deficit over the last decade wasn't
stimulus spending, the Bush tax cuts, or two wars. It was tax evasion.

Last week, the IRS released a report on the estimated " tax gap," or money that
people legally owe in taxes but evade paying. For 2006 ( the most recent year
calculated ), the gap stood at $450 billion, an increase from 2001's estimated
tax gap of $345 billion. Keep in mind, this isn't money people legally avoid paying
by using tax shelters like an IRA or 401(k). This is tax revenue illegally unpaid
thanks to things like offshore bank accounts and unreported cash receipts from
businesses. The IRS only issues these reports every five years, and each report
details just one year. But let's use some assumptions. Assume 2001's tax gap
of $345 billion was reflective of the 2001-2005 period, and 2006's $450 billion
gap was reflective of the 2006-2011 period. In total, that's $4.4 trillion in lost
tax revenue over the last decade. Now, this is a rough estimate at best. I used
the IRS old data last year to estimate the decade's loss from tax evasion at
$3 trillion. The real figure, which is almost impossible to know, is probably
somewhere between $3 trillion and $5 trillion. Put that money in perspective.
Tax evasion in the last decade cost an amount roughly equivalent to the Bush
tax cuts, the Obama stimulus, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan... combined !
It's amazing more people aren't outraged about this stuff. Rather, they likely
would be if they knew about it.
As long as there are taxes, there will be tax evasion. It will never be eradicated.
The question is whether the tax gap can reasonably be reduced from current
levels. If it can, we're not trying hard enough. As David Cay Johnston recently
wrote in Reuters, the IRS budget is being cut by 5%, which will likely increase
tax evasion through fewer enforcement officers. He explained: IRS data show
that auditors assigned to the 14,000 or so largest corporations found $9,354
of additional tax owed for every hour spent testing tax returns in the 2009 fiscal
year. The highest-paid IRS auditors make $71 an hour. Based on a 2,080-hour
work year, that works out to around $19 million of lost revenue annually for
every senior corporate auditor position cut from the payroll. It's counterintuitive,
but cutting the IRS' funding can be one of the fastest ways to increase the
budget deficit.

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[*] posted on 7-2-2012 at 18:06


http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/economics-blog/2012/feb/0...

http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2012/02/03/euros-boun...

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[*] posted on 7-2-2012 at 23:35


Franklyn, you've got to start reading ZH

Some recent Greek fundamentals:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greek-economy-implodes-budget-...

US Credit bubble is back
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/unadjusted-consumer-credit-soa...
John Taylor on US debt
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/taylor-rule-founder-warns-us-d...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-what-if-were-beyond...
"The nation's ills cannot be fixed by thousands of pages of regulation or more policy tweaks. Only a profound cultural transformation can address our problems."
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[*] posted on 7-2-2012 at 23:52


Quote: Originally posted by gregxy  
Is the CIA catching all the "good ones" and not telling anyone or is Islam really the religion of peace and the war on terror just another scheme to squeeze money out of the taxpayer?


"A religion of peace" is probably not a good description of Islam. That said, there are plenty of muslims in the middle east who do want peace. All the poverty, and also the oil wealth to some extent, have contributed much to the violence and anger in the region.

And yes, it is just squeezing money out of the taxpayers.
"Fighting" terrorism is one of the most wasteful policies. It mostly only seems appealing to idiots in my opinion.


Quote: Originally posted by johansen  
"The nation's ills cannot be fixed by thousands of pages of regulation or more policy tweaks. Only a profound cultural transformation can address our problems."


I say there has been substancial demographic change in the USA. Essentially the country is doomed. I suppose some extreme economic central planning involving expropriation of private capital could be possible, but this is just not going to happen.

Millions of people willing to work for low wages and used to "living paycheck to paycheck" has fundamentally altered the structure of the economy.

[Edited on 8-2-2012 by AndersHoveland]
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[*] posted on 8-2-2012 at 01:27


Do you wonder where all the reported high profits came from during the worst
economic downturn in the last 80 years , yielding large bonuses to executives
for their performance in maintaining high share price in the current market rally ?
How about by not funding the employee pension fund.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46244551

" companies are going to need 20-30% returns to fill the // gaps ".

obviously that is delusional.

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[*] posted on 9-2-2012 at 23:34


This can't be good, but you think we have it bad - unemployment in Spain is 23 %.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/09/news/economy/jobs_young_adul...

This is classic, rising prices on very low volume, large equity blocks selling off to
accumulate cash to buy back on the nosedive, a short selling bonanza.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-insiders-are-selling-he...

Oh just shoot everybody already ! How much can you squeeze from a stone.
Greeks are beginning to see themselves as inmates of a German concentration camp.
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/85989000

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[*] posted on 10-2-2012 at 00:39


What i don't understand is why Greece goes along with this ?

Why dont they say to all of there bond holders 'too bad you lost your money' and stop all loan repayments.

sure they wont be-able to sell many new bonds after that (although I suspect that they would in fact be able to sell some post default bonds as they would no longer be burdened by the old ones and some greedy twat somewhere will want to take a gamble on them )

sure the eu might kick them out perhaps Evan put a trade embargo on them but they are not landlocked and can probably grow enough food domestically. it would surly be better what they have now.

So the question has to be asked what do the french and gearman bankers have over the heads of the Greek government that is forcing them to play along ?
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[*] posted on 12-2-2012 at 01:34
Fun facts and coming attractions


Interestingly debt liability per person in Greece is
nearly the same as it is for Portugal , Germany ,
and the United States , just around $ 50,000.
Italy's per capita debt burden is less than it is
in the U.S.. Many of the wealthier developed
nations in Europe have debt per capita that is
twice or more , even 3 and 4 times greater
than these countries. With so many passing
the buck one wonders where it's going to stop.

Greece external debt as % of GDP = 182 %
Gross external debt: $ 580 billion
2010 GDP (est): $ 318 billion
External debt per capita: $ 53,984

Ireland has a Gross Domestic Product that is
half that of Greece , yet Ireland's debt burden
is 4 times greater than Greece. A per capita
debt 10 times greater. That's just sad.

Ireland's external debt as % of GDP = 1,382 %
Gross external debt: $ 2.38 trillion
2010 GDP (est): $ 172 billion
External debt per capita: $ 566,756

Just thought I would share this preview ,
coming soon to a theatre near you.

A selected list of actors here
http://www.cnbc.com/id/30308959


Back to the drama of the moment , I keep wondering how bad can this get
and my sense of it is always surpassed by subsequent events.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/12/greece-cant-take...


So how did we get here ? Some now suggest the culprit was exuberant
belief in certainty , or at least a quantifiable estimate of it. This goes by
another name in gaming or casino gambling , it's called a " betting system ".
But as we found , the only sure thing is death and taxes. Read here _
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/feb/12/black-scholes-...

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[*] posted on 13-2-2012 at 09:01


http://seekingalpha.com/article/359931-who-is-buying-this-ma...

I don't see an ' N ' in P I I G S
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-12/norway-faces-severe...

Quote: Originally posted by Panache  
Iceland, why does its recent fortune never rate a mention?

Fair enough , it's a very small country on which there is little financial commentary

http://blogs.ft.com/economistsforum/2012/02/iceland%e2%80%99...

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[*] posted on 13-2-2012 at 09:22


Quote: Originally posted by franklyn  

Ireland has a Gross Domestic Product that is
half that of Greece , yet Ireland's debt burden
is 4 times greater than Greece. A per capita
debt 10 times greater. That's just sad.

Ireland's external debt as % of GDP = 1,382 %
Gross external debt: $ 2.38 trillion
2010 GDP (est): $ 172 billion
External debt per capita: $ 566,756

Just thought I would share this preview ,
coming soon to a theatre near you.

A selected list of actors here
http://www.cnbc.com/id/30308959


Back to the drama of the moment , I keep wondering how bad can this get
and my sense of it is always surpassed by subsequent events.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/12/greece-cant-take...


So how did we get here ? Some now suggest the culprit was exuberant
belief in certainty , or at least a quantifiable estimate of it. This goes by
another name in gaming or casino gambling , it's called a " betting system ".
But as we found , the only sure thing is death and taxes. Read here _
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/feb/12/black-scholes-...

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You're absolutely correct. Another interesting issue is HOW MUCH of the USA's manufacturing has gone to both Ireland and Hong Kong. Some rather large firms have moved there and created a great many jobs, a profound boost for many.
I can understand Sweden's debt issues but Switzerland? It's genuinely odd.




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[*] posted on 17-2-2012 at 21:42


" Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."
- Dorothy Gale in The Wizard Of OZ

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/latest-market-craze-stock-trad...
Written by _
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Related post , see second part here _
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=12819#...


More links
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/fractal-algo-strikes-again-tim...
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/fractial-limit-order-buster...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44261909

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45822986

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44834151

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[*] posted on 18-2-2012 at 02:48


The amazing thing is that there are still certain economists in the USA telling everyone that their country's debt burden makes no difference, and that the government can just print more money to pay off its debts!

What these economists fail to understand is that the dollar is backed by government debt! (around half the collateral assets held by the federal reserve are treasury bonds/notes)
Unless the Treasury actually decides to print its own currency (rather than Federal Reserve notes), it is impossible to pay down the current debt by just printing more money. the Treasury is prevented by law, at least in theory, from printing orders of federal reserve notes unless the federal reserve holds collateral assets to back it.

Another strategy the government has tried to reduce its debt is to bring in immigrants to try to make the economy bigger to have a larger tax base, but this strategy is fundamentally flawed. An excess supply of labor relative to demand drives down wages and causes unemployment. Most of these immigrants do not bring any money/assets with them, so they cannot contribute to the net demand. In any case, these low-income immigrants bring with them extraneous costs (educating their children, emergency health services, expanding infrastructure). Of the subject of immigration is very controversial. Some economists have different opinions.
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[*] posted on 18-2-2012 at 07:19


there is 2 trillion dollars in real money at any point in the US thats everybody's money combine! the debt is above 15 trillions (as of 02/12) it doesnt take a genious to see how screwed we are!



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