Budzsta
Harmless
Posts: 3
Registered: 17-8-2011
Location: Australia
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Why is oxone so cheap?
Hey everyone,
This is my first post, I am working with a lab at UNSW as a medicinal chemist.
Second year PhD. So far so good.
We have problem sessions on every once and a while and one of the problem questions was:
What is the formula for Oxone and why is it so cheap?
I am assuming it is a by-product of an industrial process although I can not find any reference anywhere?
Does anyone happen to know of the top of their head?
Thanks,
|
|
|
The WiZard is In
International Hazard
Posts: 1617
Registered: 3-4-2010
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Quote: Originally posted by Budzsta  | Hey everyone,
This is my first post, I am working with a lab at UNSW as a medicinal chemist.
Second year PhD. So far so good. |
Can'f find any refs on Oxone™... Second year PhD! If you can find
any refs go back to your day job — standing behind a garage tuck,
this is where you belong.
Or be more specific on what chem you dobe looking for. A CAS number would be large help if'n you are not looking for Oxone™.
|
|
|
watson.fawkes
International Hazard
Posts: 2793
Registered: 16-8-2008
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
First hit for "oxone" on google: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_peroxymonosulfate
|
|
|
Budzsta
Harmless
Posts: 3
Registered: 17-8-2011
Location: Australia
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by The WiZard is In |
Can'f find any refs on Oxone™... Second year PhD! If you can find
any refs go back to your day job — standing behind a garage tuck,
this is where you belong.
Or be more specific on what chem you dobe looking for. A CAS number would be large help if'n you are not looking for Oxone™.
|
I can find a thousand references for what Oxone is, and how it is used as an oxidant in chemical synthetic processes you moron, but I can not find out
if it is a byproduct of an industrial process or why it is so cheap.
In fact, Oxone is comprised of three salts; Potassium Peroxymonosulphate, Potassium bisulphate and Potassium Sulfate.
The crude make up of such a versatile oxidant suggests it is an industrial byproduct however I specifically can not determine which industrial
process.
I guess I should of specified the question in more detail for the less educated.
[Edited on 18-8-2011 by Budzsta]
|
|
|
not_important
International Hazard
Posts: 3873
Registered: 21-7-2006
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
No, it is intentionally produced - the triple salt is about the only useful stable form of peroxymonosulfuric acid (Caro's acid). I believe it is
made by mixing H2SO4 and H2O2, then adding K2SO4 but that's just an ancient memory.
|
|
|
Budzsta
Harmless
Posts: 3
Registered: 17-8-2011
Location: Australia
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by not_important | No, it is intentionally produced - the triple salt is about the only useful stable form of peroxymonosulfuric acid (Caro's acid). I believe it is
made by mixing H2SO4 and H2O2, then adding K2SO4 but that's just an ancient memory.
|
Hmm, I was under the impression that H2SO4 and H2O2 (solution) in various ratio's (generally 3:1, when I use it) made Piranha Juice, used as a
cleaning agent for glassware in the lab? I will try to find out more information,
Thanks a lot  .
|
|
|
hissingnoise
International Hazard
Posts: 3940
Registered: 26-12-2002
Member Is Offline
Mood: Pulverulescent!
|
|
Moron?
Less educated?
Nice start, asshole!
|
|
|
Mildronate
Hazard to Others
Posts: 428
Registered: 12-9-2009
Member Is Offline
Mood: Ruido sintetico
|
|
I had seen differnt product with same name, it was H202 for milk container cleaning with trademark name "Okson".
|
|
|
watson.fawkes
International Hazard
Posts: 2793
Registered: 16-8-2008
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
So let me get this right. First you want us to do your homework.
| Quote: Originally posted by Budzsta | We have problem sessions on every once and a while and one of the problem questions was:
What is the formula for Oxone and why is it so cheap? |
So since you're asking for the formula in this first
post, it seems apparent you hadn't had even the first thought of looking for it. Having received your first clue, you now become high and mighty.
| Quote: Originally posted by Budzsta | In fact, Oxone is comprised of three salts; Potassium Peroxymonosulphate, Potassium bisulphate and Potassium Sulfate.
[...]
I guess I should of specified the question in more detail for the less educated. |
What I guess is that you'll
fail out of your PhD program from laziness. It took me all of three minutes to find out how it's manufactured, at least in its basics. Since you are,
by your own account, better educated than me, I'm sure it will only take you two.
|
|
|
solo
International Hazard
Posts: 3967
Registered: 9-12-2002
Location: Estados Unidos de La Republica Mexicana
Member Is Offline
Mood: ....getting old and drowning in a sea of knowledge
|
|
Information from one of the producers of Oxone....solo
http://www2.dupont.com/Oxone/en_US/tech_info/index.html
[Edited on 18-8-2011 by solo]
It's better to die on your feet, than live on your knees....Emiliano Zapata.
|
|
|
Maus
Harmless
Posts: 3
Registered: 25-6-2011
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Perhaps the reason Oxone is so cheap is due to:
* cheap raw materials
* easy production
* Production in very large scale for use in various industrial processes and consumer end use (e.g. spa sanitation) Commodification
I question the reasoning that assumes mixtures indicate the item must be a byproduct of an industrial process. For this material, does it actually
exist as a "pure" material? Do all industrial processes necessarily produce pure compounds?
[Edited on 20-8-2011 by Maus]
|
|
|
White Yeti
National Hazard
Posts: 816
Registered: 20-7-2011
Location: Asperger's spectrum
Member Is Offline
Mood: delocalized
|
|
This post reminds me of the first thread I posted. Man, I feel sorry for you, you're getting hammered down pretty hard. Welcome to sciencemadness,
home of the intelligent yet ruthless. A straight forward answer is difficult to get on this forum apparently. When they talk like this, it means they
don't know the answer to your question
|
|
|
Bot0nist
International Hazard
Posts: 1559
Registered: 15-2-2011
Location: Right behind you.
Member Is Offline
Mood: Streching my cotyledons.
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by White Yeti | | This post reminds me of the first thread I posted. Man, I feel sorry for you, you're getting hammered down pretty hard. Welcome to sciencemadness,
home of the intelligent yet ruthless. A straight forward answer is difficult to get on this forum apparently. When they talk like this, it means they
don't know the answer to your question |
Seems to me that some good information has been given. And a good pissing on too . I believe<a href="http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=17057#pid216407"> your first thread </a>here also yielded you
some good advice/straight answers, and may have saved you...
U.T.F.S.E. and learn the joys of autodidacticism!
Don't judge each day only by the harvest you reap, but also by the seeds you sow.
|
|
|
not_important
International Hazard
Posts: 3873
Registered: 21-7-2006
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by Budzsta | ...
Hmm, I was under the impression that H2SO4 and H2O2 (solution) in various ratio's (generally 3:1, when I use it) made Piranha Juice, used as a
cleaning agent for glassware in the lab? I will try to find out more information,
Thanks a lot . |
Absolutely correct, and Piranha solution contains Caro's acid. This illustrates why the triple salt is used, consider shipping Oxone vs shipping
piranha solution; removing free acid and tying the peroxy function up in the triple salt really tames the stuff.
|
|
|
White Yeti
National Hazard
Posts: 816
Registered: 20-7-2011
Location: Asperger's spectrum
Member Is Offline
Mood: delocalized
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by Bot0nist |
Seems to me that some good information has been given. And a good pissing on too. I believe<a href="http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=17057#pid216407"> your first thread </a>here also yielded you
some good advice/straight answers, and may have saved you...
|
The problem with my first post was that my sources were biased, and I ended up sounding like an idiot.
*sigh*
You're right, I got lucky. Usually when a member posts a question that has an obvious answer, it's only a matter of time until "The WiZZard is in",
"blogfast25" and other prominent users and administrators start hammering you down. Luckily I got a straight forward answer from the start.
I think that the transition from lesser forums and websites to scimad is pretty difficult. You get pretty intimidated, but in the end, it's for the
better
|
|
|
Nicodem
|
Thread Moved
29-8-2011 at 11:38 |
![[*]](images/xpblue/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
