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[*] posted on 3-3-2015 at 11:17


Quote: Originally posted by Keith Fletcher  
Interesting chart, Maybe it is possible. Do you think so. Titanium is a transition metal in the same period as Ni and Cu. Maybe Ti(III) can form an Ammine complex that could be energetic.


I think Ti(3+) is just above the oxydoredox potential of hydrazine decomposition (+ 0.11 V)...

Ti(NO3)4 might be just way too oxydant for N2H4.
Dry hydrazine (H2O is no option for Ti(NO3)4) will probably burst into flame in an hypergolic fashion.

The only solution for you to be sure is to test! :D




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[*] posted on 3-3-2015 at 11:59
Ti attempt


Exactly, that's my speech. Try it. Make synthesis 0.5g, or something. I hope you will write more, as it turned out. I wish a lot of fingers in the future...:cool:...LL
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[*] posted on 4-3-2015 at 08:41
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I will attempt some small tests if I successfully synthesized Ti(NO3)4.4(H2O). Please correct me if I'm wrong, Anhydrous Titanium Tetranitrate will have to be made by reacting the hydrate with Dinitrogen Pentoxide. Then dissolve into a anhydrous solvent and slowly added to anhydrous hydrazine at a low temperature inside a inert gas apparatus. I'm not shore if I posses the skill to conduct such a synthesis. I will experiment as much as possible, but it may be impossible.

I will have to research methods of dehydrating Hydrazine and find a anhydrous solvent to carry out the reaction in and Figure out what apparatus to set up.




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[*] posted on 4-3-2015 at 13:27
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And is it really necessary? Without water into another, subsequent reaction with Hydazin? It can not be like treated as the nickel hydrazine nitrate? Ni(NO3)2 x 6H2O in alcohol, without dry, hydrazine in alcohol and then mix the solutions? Stirred together at 40 C or 60?
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[*] posted on 23-8-2015 at 23:18


How can I prepare Hexammine Chromium (III) Nitrate without Liquid Ammonia ?

http://alpha.chem.umb.edu/chemistry/ch371/documents/Labrepor...
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[*] posted on 17-9-2015 at 08:33


Nickel Hydrazine Azide

Recently I made both Nickel Hydrazin Nitrate and the azide.
Everything I know about the relatively unknow Azide compound I get from these papers and the following patent.

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Bis-hydrazinenickel (II) azide ([Ni(N2H4)2](N3)2, 25) is the further lead-free candidate for the replacement of LA in primers [40].The mean size of green colored aggregates of complex 25 crystals is ~80 μm. The temperature of ignition of complex 25 is ~193 °C (5-s delay). The thermal decomposition curve of complex 25 comprises two stages. The activation energy of the first stage of decomposition of complex 25 is ~142.6 kJ/mol, whereas that of the second stage is ~109.2 kJ/mol. The non-hygroscopic complex 25 is insoluble in water, alcohol and ether, and is readily decomposed by both acids and bases. Complex 25 had sensitivity to impact equal to 35% in the drop-hammer test (mass of the hammer 10 kg, height 55 cm), whereas PETN had sensitivity to impact equal to 100% under the same conditions. Hence, complex 25 is a safer compound than nickel complex 24.
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I don't know why they say it has green crystalls. Because:
https://www.google.at/patents/CN101618866A?cl=en&dq=Nick...
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The resulting azide is dark blue polycrystalline nickel hydrazine, in between the particles 66nm~102pm ...


Below are two pictures of this compound.
The first was taken when it was drying and the second one is
Nickel Hydrazine Nitrate in comparison two Nickel Hydrazine Azide

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[*] posted on 17-9-2015 at 12:08


here: https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=17...
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[*] posted on 18-9-2015 at 09:22


Quote: Originally posted by specialactivitieSK  
How can I prepare Hexammine Chromium (III) Nitrate without Liquid Ammonia ?

http://alpha.chem.umb.edu/chemistry/ch371/documents/Labrepor...

With dry NH3 gas maybe?
A flow of NH3 is driven through dry cooled finely dispersed Cr(NO3)3 until the desired weight increase...
Cr(NO3)3 + x NH3(g) --> (NH3)xCr(NO3)3




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[*] posted on 23-9-2015 at 03:03


Thanks, interesting.

BTW

I tried melting Cr2O3 with ammonium nitrate. The molten ammonium nitrate is anhydrous nitric acid and anhydrous ammonia. No reaction.
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[*] posted on 2-10-2015 at 05:25


I found this: US 702 357

http://tetrazolelover.at.ua/index/zmes_dusicnanu_tetramminme...

2 - 3 gram for PETN initiation.

TACN : 35 %
KNO3 : 33,5 %
Sulphur : 8,5 %
Aluminium : 23 %

Moisturize isopropyl alcohol. Was triturated in a mortar. Forced through a sieve.
Importantly hermetic closure.
The porosity of the mixture.

Observation : TACN can additionally be dried with acetone three times.

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In addition, I've found : GB 24812

http://tetrazolelover.at.ua/index/zmes_dusicnanu_draselneho_...

KNO3 : 47,8
NaHCO3 : 26,5 %
Sulphur : 16,8
Aluminium : 8,9

Original :

KNO3 : 45,5 %
NaHCO3 : 30 %
Sulphur : 16 %
Aluminium : 8,5 %

Treated with water to a thick slurry. Spread on foil and dried quickly. Ground to fine powder portions only.
What is important is the temperature and pressure in a confined space, such as gunpowder.




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[*] posted on 13-10-2015 at 08:21


To all:

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Because: Laboratory Liptakov, Maniak, zabho etc. are trolls from Czech Pyroforum
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[*] posted on 29-10-2015 at 11:43
CHP


Huuh ... What do I do? I was betrayed! ........:D
But to the point: It was discovered or tested new energy materials. He was awarded abbreviation, acronym CHP. It is the crystalline bridge, or clathrate Tetramine Copper II Perchlorate and hexamine. Thus, TACP-HMTA. First tests in detonator indicate the great features.
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[*] posted on 30-10-2015 at 02:38


Interesting find for the copper hexamine perchlorate complex, seems more energetic than anticipated. :) Might also be interesting to see if 3,5 dinitrosalicylic acid (DNS) may form coordination compounds with transition metals. Cu(DNS)2(ClO4)2 for example might be interesting and have good OB., presumably pretty stable as well.

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[*] posted on 30-10-2015 at 06:12
DNS


Of course, possible is all. Now still who it do it...:D
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[*] posted on 30-10-2015 at 13:02


Good question, needs to be someone who has experience with both copper and perchlorate compounds....hmmm....can't think of someone :D Seriously though, I would like to test it, though I have only KClO4 and no NH4ClO4 or perchloric acid, distillation is possible but not very user friendly. Someone having access to ammonium perchlorate would only need to boil a solution of it with basic copper carbonate. The complex istelf may need some boiling in water or to be synthesized in methanol/ethanol to replace all the hydrated water. Some day maybe. :)
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[*] posted on 30-10-2015 at 13:37


Quote: Originally posted by nitro-genes  
Interesting find for the copper hexamine perchlorate complex, seems more energetic than anticipated. :) Might also be interesting to see if 3,5 dinitrosalicylic acid (DNS) may form coordination compounds with transition metals. Cu(DNS)2(ClO4)2 for example might be interesting and have good OB., presumably pretty stable as well.


I understand your enthousiasm for DNSA from the DDNP tread ;)but it is a diacid and it will not coordinate that way to copper because it would have to be tetravalent or hexavalent...
See Nickel dimethylglyoxime (HO-N=C(CH3)-C(CH3)=N-OH) is neutral:
Ni(2+) + 2 HO-N=C(CH3)-C(CH3)=N-O(-) --> Ni(O-N=C(CH3)-C(CH3)=N-OH)2
Or Copper acetylacetonate (acac) from pentan-2,4-dion is also neutral:
Cu(2+) + 2 CH3-CO-CH=C(CH3)-O(-) --> Cu(-O-C(CH3)=CH-CO-CH3)2

To allow complexation of the Cu(ClO4)2 you may need basic amine or not too acidic nitrogen to allow for dative linkage of the non bonding doublet of the nitrogen...
H2N-CH2-CH2-C(NO2)3 for example should be able to link 4 units to Cu(ClO4)2 --> Cu[H2N-CH2-CH2-C(NO2)3]4(ClO4)2

Of course CuDNS or Cu(H-DNS)2 like other Cu salts must be able to complex amine ligands but maybe the large DNS group(s) may induce some steric hindrance and disable full complexation ability by 4 units of NH3 for example...

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[*] posted on 30-10-2015 at 15:41


Thanks Philou, yeah, after what looks to be an easy synthesis of DNSa I read something about metal salicylate complexes, I think I was confusing the terms chelating and complexation with coordination...anyway.. too bad :)
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[*] posted on 9-11-2015 at 02:09


Could be the tetramine copper perchlorate TACP or CHP suitable for EMP :
Flux Compression Generator or Magneto Hydrodynamic Generator ( shaped charge or EFP with Coil )
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[*] posted on 9-11-2015 at 05:21


Quote: Originally posted by specialactivitieSK  
Could be the tetramine copper perchlorate TACP or CHP suitable for EMP :
Flux Compression Generator or Magneto Hydrodynamic Generator ( shaped charge or EFP with Coil )

Any detonating explosive could be suitable for an EMP with appropriate modifications like wire diameter, number of coils rounds per cm, geometry,...

Of course the faster the detonation, the faster the electromagnetic pulse increase.




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[*] posted on 29-1-2016 at 04:19
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I still returned at question of Nitro-genes, prepare NH4ClO4 from KClO4. But It is possible with mixed NaClO4 + NH4Cl, thus ammonium chloride , free buy for soldering. Patent methode:
http://www.oocities.org/capecanaveral/campus/5361/chlorate/u...
For converse KClO4 will be problem different solubility. However, for anybody can be easy prepare (from bleach example) NaClO3, next step on NaClO4 and next step converse NaClO4 + NH4Cl on NH4ClO4. And next step on TACP and super last step TACP+Hexamine on CHP, thus copper hexamine perchlorate, super energetic material for all users.
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[*] posted on 26-3-2016 at 05:13


Anyone else thought of 1,6-ditetrazolyhexaaza-1,5 diene? It is around on Youtube, but I'm not sure how to synthesise it. It wouldn't be the same as normal - treating organic nitriles with iodine-supported sodium hydrogen sulfate to make 1H tetrazoles. VoD is around 9300 m/s.
Dornier335A has it on his channel as 'tetrazole madness'
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Quote: Originally posted by octonitrocubane  
Anyone else thought of 1,6-ditetrazolyhexaaza-1,5 diene? It is around on Youtube, but I'm not sure how to synthesise it. It wouldn't be the same as normal - treating organic nitriles with iodine-supported sodium hydrogen sulfate to make 1H tetrazoles. VoD is around 9300 m/s.
Dornier335A has it on his channel as 'tetrazole madness'
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I prefer to think and focus onto:
a)1,1,2,2-tetra-tetrazolyl-hydrazine ((N4HC)2N-N(CHN4)2)
b)1,1,4,4-tetra-tetrazolyl-tetraaza-2-ene ((N4HC)2N-N=N-N(CHN4)2)
c)Tri-tetrazolyl-amine (N(CHN4)3)
d)Tetra-tetrazolyl-amonium perchlorate, nitroformiate, or even better tetrazolate, or ditetrazolyamide
(N4HC)N(CHN4)3 ClO4
(N4HC)N(CHN4)3 C(NO2)3
(N4HC)N(CHN4)3 CHN4
(N4HC)N(CHN4)3 N(CHN4)2




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[*] posted on 30-3-2016 at 05:53


Hexammine chromium(III) nitrate [Cr(NH3)6](NO3)3, was synthesized through a two-step process :

http://alpha.chem.umb.edu/chemistry/ch371/documents/Labrepor...

First reacting anhydrous CrCl3 with liquid ammonia to produce [Cr(NH3)6]Cl3.
The dried [Cr(NH3)6]Cl3 was then reacted with dilute HNO3(aq) to form [Cr(NH3)6](NO3)3.
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Cr2O3 + 3 CCl4 → 2 CrCl3 + COCl2 ( ??? or C2Cl4 ??? )

2 Cr2O3 + 6 S2Cl2 + 9 O2 → 4 CrCl3 + 12 SO2
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The question :

Chromium(III) chloride is soluble in Diethyleter.

Amonia is soluble in Diethylether.

Then it reacted after crystallization with dilute HNO3 or HClO4.

It could work like this ?







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[*] posted on 1-4-2016 at 08:29


I have just synthesised 5 grams of zinc tetramine permanganate through the reaction of KMnO4 with an excess of a solution of 3% ammonia, zinc oxide and ammonium chloride. The temperature must be kept to a minimum without freezing, because the resulting product (Zn(NH3)4)(MnO4)2 decomposes with H2O. It is therefore unusable, with a shelf life of 1-2 hours, due to moisture in the air.

However, I was thinking: would it be possible to synthesise something like nickel tetramine permanganate (Ni(NH3)4)(MnO4)2 or cobalt/silver tetramine persulfate/nitrate? It would, but I don't know how energetic they'd be.

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[*] posted on 1-4-2016 at 11:50


I can't imagine they'd be any more stable than the zinc analogue.



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