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[*] posted on 22-11-2011 at 19:25
Vacuume Pumps


Any know of any clean Vacuum Pumps with a good pull?
for distillation purposes

I have a 5cfm rotary vein and it spits stuff out of the exhaust and really messy. looking for a replacement

I was wondering if anyone know of any good oil-less pumps
or atleast the ones that dont spew out anything..

SO far im looking at Welch

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[*] posted on 22-11-2011 at 20:17


I would recommend that you get a water faucet aspirator. It suits me well for most vacuum distillations, and you can usually get one for 10-20 dollars. Also no exhaust and spitting out stuff.
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[*] posted on 22-11-2011 at 22:22


thats an idea but thats alot of water to use...
and what if my station doesnt have a sink??

but your idea might be good for someone else. and what if you use the same water from the aspirator to run the condenser...
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[*] posted on 22-11-2011 at 22:51


Try using the search function.Quite a lot on the board on this.IIRC specially coated piston type vacuum pumps might be what you're looking for.



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[*] posted on 23-11-2011 at 01:14


Fridge compressor. Go to the city dump and get yourself one for few $ at most. Be sure to use a trap between the compressor and your system... and mind where the exhaust and the intake pipes are.



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[*] posted on 25-11-2011 at 14:09


Quote: Originally posted by gtchemen  
thats an idea but thats alot of water to use...
and what if my station doesnt have a sink??

but your idea might be good for someone else. and what if you use the same water from the aspirator to run the condenser...


Just recycle the water. I use an aquarium pump to flow water through my condensers, I just put the pump in a bucket of water and output the water from the condenser right back into the bucket. Not only do I not waste a single drop of water, I can even cool the water to 0C by adding ice. You can't do that with a tap.
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[*] posted on 25-11-2011 at 14:31


Quote: Originally posted by gtchemen  

I have a 5cfm rotary vein and it spits stuff out of the exhaust and really messy. looking for a replacement


I would run a test on your present vacuum pump before disqualifying it. Run it at no gas flow, ie, run it with the inlet closed tight with a valve or such. Then see if it continues to spit oil. Let us know the result.




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[*] posted on 25-11-2011 at 14:34


I have one just like this, ILMVAC:

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Good for most purposes like vacuum filtering and super for rotavapping, though not as good for distilling high bp. stuff as it only goes down to 12mbar, have a standard oil rotary for vacuum distilling.

Advantages of a membrane pump like that is that one does not need a cryo trap and such inbetween the pump and apparatus (though one should always), these membranes are made of a Teflon materiale and have even passed hydrogen chloride through it for an extended period by accident. Easy to pick apart and clean, easy to put togheter again too. Also gives positive pressure though wouldn't test it to the max, but good for high volume/low pressure air through a system e.g.

Super duper mega expensive though, got mine from a lab cleaning, they threw this away since no one was using it and they had enough or rotary vanes lying around.

And in my experiance, some rotary vanes spit out oil from day one, they need a muffler/condenser of sorts not to sputter. Try to fix something up, like a tubing 30mm wide by 200mm tall with metal shavings, long like the scrubbing thingy as long as one can get copper shavings on a lathe as filling, confident it will help. Also oil level is critical, so is the amount of air let into the pump, to much and it will blow oil through. That can be fixed by adding a volume regualtor on the input. Would never get a new pump if the old one still pulled vacuum...




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[*] posted on 3-12-2011 at 11:47


Harbor Freight Tools sells pretty good vacuum pumps for A/C and refrigeration work. If I remember correctly, for less than $200.



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[*] posted on 3-12-2011 at 11:57


Harbor Freight is selling 2.5CFM vacuum pumps made in China for <$100. These are single stage oil pumps (rotary vane I think) that are supposed to pull 75 microns at no flow. I bought one and have measured the vacuum at 120 microns. This should do just fine for vacuum distillations. How long it will last probably depends on how clean I keep its oil.

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[*] posted on 8-1-2012 at 08:48


No need to waste such money . . .just get yourself a dirt cheap car air compressor, and open it up. Most of the time, the input is just a little hole on the piston (most cheap compressors use the piston concept to push air), on top of which happily will sit a small brass nipple, on top of which you can place some heavy duty tubing with a hole drilled in the case for it to exit.

Simple, and cheap - mine cost less than £5 to make. (It can actually pull a really good vacuum)




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